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I have a G11 with 2VS - executive drive pro/active comfort drive with road preview and I don't find it comparable to MBC, ABC, or even Airmatic to be completely honest. Yes, it rides decently and 'smoother' than standard BMW air suspension but I still find the standard W221, 222, and 223 Airmatic to be more comfortable. I also find the X167 GLS Airmatic to be much smoother over expansion joints on bridges. 2VS does sometimes work, where letting go of the throttle over broken pavement is somewhat noticeable but you cannot expect it to perform similar to MBC.
Also, there is still quite a bit of body roll compared to ABC and MBC even in sport mode; 2VS adds active roll bars using the 48v system similar to Porsche's later gen PDCC system.
Acoustic glass doesn't necessarily always have to say 'acoustic' on the glass markings, sometimes it can say 'XI' on it and that also denotes acoustic, laminated glass. This is the case for all my MB's and BMW's.
Also, I find the noise to be noticeable on the G11, a GLS is much more quiet, let alone any S class.
I also have individual full merino upholstery and individual piano lacquer trim, which they claim is finished the same way on Rolls Royce's where the lacquer is hand buffed on Tulipwood veneer. It still feels hollow and it's most definitely veneer set on a plastic shell. The interior feels hollow. At the price I got this at, I am satisfied because the dealer wanted them gone, but it definitely feels more like a 5 series plus sort of product, not an S class competitor or even S class minus.
Also, there is still quite a bit of body roll compared to ABC and MBC even in sport mode; 2VS adds active roll bars using the 48v system similar to Porsche's later gen PDCC system.
Acoustic glass doesn't necessarily always have to say 'acoustic' on the glass markings, sometimes it can say 'XI' on it and that also denotes acoustic, laminated glass. This is the case for all my MB's and BMW's.
Also, I find the noise to be noticeable on the G11, a GLS is much more quiet, let alone any S class.
I also have individual full merino upholstery and individual piano lacquer trim, which they claim is finished the same way on Rolls Royce's where the lacquer is hand buffed on Tulipwood veneer. It still feels hollow and it's most definitely veneer set on a plastic shell. The interior feels hollow. At the price I got this at, I am satisfied because the dealer wanted them gone, but it definitely feels more like a 5 series plus sort of product, not an S class competitor or even S class minus.
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I'm sure the Mercedes Windshield is covered but not sure about the side and rear window protection against Harmful UVA radiation. A good tint can block both UV type A and type B especially if you drive for a living and your exposure duration is high over your lifetime. Most of my cars are tinted since they were purchased in New Mexico. When I drive locally and travel cross country always wear long sleeve shirts. Since I purchased my AMG wagon in Duluth, GA in 2021 will get side windows tinted with a quality film when decide to keep the car past its warranty period. Applied Ceramic lifetime coating to my Wagon including windshield plus front PPF before my 3-month Trek to East Coast in November '23 for protection from road debris. Need to paint my Southwest style home next after sending wife $11K for Son's Georgia Tech Tuition. Taxes are next in April then will decide on tinting the E63s Wagon...
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You are wrong again SW20S with regards to “S-class does not have ANY acoustic glass”. The S-class does have acoustic glass.
Here is formal disclaimer by MBUSA: “The S-Class has green-tinted thermal insulation glass as standard. The windshield is made of laminated safety glass with an integral acoustic membrane, while the side windows and rear window are of single-pane safety glass. Laminated safety glass all-round is available as standard equipment. This insulates against heat and noise, and reflects infrared radiation.”
Source: https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...z-s-class-2021
The same is true for BMW. Acoustic has been available in the X5 and X7 and several other vehicles and usually indicated on the glass. Regional BMW sales manager that am in contact with had mentioned before the the i7 M70 has acoustic glass. Another user here indicated that he was told the same by his salesman/dealer. There is clear indications that the i7 50 and 60 trims do not have it, and there is a yet to be confirmed hypothesis that the climate comfort pkg may bring that to the 60 as well (if the pkg is available for the 60).
Here is formal disclaimer by MBUSA: “The S-Class has green-tinted thermal insulation glass as standard. The windshield is made of laminated safety glass with an integral acoustic membrane, while the side windows and rear window are of single-pane safety glass. Laminated safety glass all-round is available as standard equipment. This insulates against heat and noise, and reflects infrared radiation.”
Source: https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...z-s-class-2021
The same is true for BMW. Acoustic has been available in the X5 and X7 and several other vehicles and usually indicated on the glass. Regional BMW sales manager that am in contact with had mentioned before the the i7 M70 has acoustic glass. Another user here indicated that he was told the same by his salesman/dealer. There is clear indications that the i7 50 and 60 trims do not have it, and there is a yet to be confirmed hypothesis that the climate comfort pkg may bring that to the 60 as well (if the pkg is available for the 60).
My guess is both cars have acoustic glass and it’s just not marked. If the climate comfort glass added additional sound insulation they would market that. I have zero confidence in what any salesman or “regional sales manager” says
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I really appreciate how good my S580 is after I haven’t driven it for a while or after driving another vehicle. It’s very special indeed!
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I’m going to wait to at least see the refresh before I pull the trigger on something, we should see it by late summer I would think.
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I’m retiring in a few years. I intend to get another S class after my current lease. In fact, I’ll probably buy with a long warranty since I really don’t drive much versus leasing. I like my S class. To me it looks awesome. I just hope they fix the cheap plastic interior on the refresh.
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I have a G11 with 2VS - executive drive pro/active comfort drive with road preview and I don't find it comparable to MBC, ABC, or even Airmatic to be completely honest. Yes, it rides decently and 'smoother' than standard BMW air suspension but I still find the standard W221, 222, and 223 Airmatic to be more comfortable. I also find the X167 GLS Airmatic to be much smoother over expansion joints on bridges. 2VS does sometimes work, where letting go of the throttle over broken pavement is somewhat noticeable but you cannot expect it to perform similar to MBC.
Also, there is still quite a bit of body roll compared to ABC and MBC even in sport mode; 2VS adds active roll bars using the 48v system similar to Porsche's later gen PDCC system.
Acoustic glass doesn't necessarily always have to say 'acoustic' on the glass markings, sometimes it can say 'XI' on it and that also denotes acoustic, laminated glass. This is the case for all my MB's and BMW's.
Also, I find the noise to be noticeable on the G11, a GLS is much more quiet, let alone any S class.
I also have individual full merino upholstery and individual piano lacquer trim, which they claim is finished the same way on Rolls Royce's where the lacquer is hand buffed on Tulipwood veneer. It still feels hollow and it's most definitely veneer set on a plastic shell. The interior feels hollow. At the price I got this at, I am satisfied because the dealer wanted them gone, but it definitely feels more like a 5 series plus sort of product, not an S class competitor or even S class minus.
Also, there is still quite a bit of body roll compared to ABC and MBC even in sport mode; 2VS adds active roll bars using the 48v system similar to Porsche's later gen PDCC system.
Acoustic glass doesn't necessarily always have to say 'acoustic' on the glass markings, sometimes it can say 'XI' on it and that also denotes acoustic, laminated glass. This is the case for all my MB's and BMW's.
Also, I find the noise to be noticeable on the G11, a GLS is much more quiet, let alone any S class.
I also have individual full merino upholstery and individual piano lacquer trim, which they claim is finished the same way on Rolls Royce's where the lacquer is hand buffed on Tulipwood veneer. It still feels hollow and it's most definitely veneer set on a plastic shell. The interior feels hollow. At the price I got this at, I am satisfied because the dealer wanted them gone, but it definitely feels more like a 5 series plus sort of product, not an S class competitor or even S class minus.
There is one common factor here... we are all considering other luxury sedans, only because the W223 isn't enticing enough. Having said that, it feels like it's still hard to find a car that is as good as the S-class that we have in mind...
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To be clear, if I were going to buy another large sedan of this style it would be another S Class. As it turns out, I'm not quite the target buyer; I prefer to actually be able to tell the wheels are connected in some fashion to the steering wheel and things of that nature.
I'd also venture that the S Class would probably not get that nod if BMW hadn't beaten the 7 with an ugly stick and VAG would get off the pot with the A8.
I'd also venture that the S Class would probably not get that nod if BMW hadn't beaten the 7 with an ugly stick and VAG would get off the pot with the A8.
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I’m retiring in a few years. I intend to get another S class after my current lease. In fact, I’ll probably buy with a long warranty since I really don’t drive much versus leasing. I like my S class. To me it looks awesome. I just hope they fix the cheap plastic interior on the refresh.
Thats not true of the G70 generation, it was true of the G11/12. I have driven both the 760 and the i7 back to back multiple times with the W223 and my S560, and the G70 7 Series rides every bit as good, and the i7 rides better...probably because of the weight. This generation 7 Series is way more ride biased than previous 7s or other BMWs. Like me Streamliner is a big smooth ride fan and he has a non MBC S560 he's comparing the i7 to.
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IF, I were to buy another sedan to replace my current S580 it would be the S class (580 refresh/63AMG) or the Bentley Flying Spur.
This week (as I seem to change my mind week to week), I’m thinking of replacing the S with a super SUV like the Lamborghini Urus. Waiting for the unveiling of the new hybrid Urus (apparently imminent) which should be interesting. There are also a lot of gently used ones on the secondary market.
This week (as I seem to change my mind week to week), I’m thinking of replacing the S with a super SUV like the Lamborghini Urus. Waiting for the unveiling of the new hybrid Urus (apparently imminent) which should be interesting. There are also a lot of gently used ones on the secondary market.
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Thats not true of the G70 generation, it was true of the G11/12. I have driven both the 760 and the i7 back to back multiple times with the W223 and my S560, and the G70 7 Series rides every bit as good, and the i7 rides better...probably because of the weight. This generation 7 Series is way more ride biased than previous 7s or other BMWs. Like me Streamliner is a big smooth ride fan and he has a non MBC S560 he's comparing the i7 to.
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IF, I were to buy another sedan to replace my current S580 it would be the S class (580 refresh/63AMG) or the Bentley Flying Spur.
This week (as I seem to change my mind week to week), I’m thinking of replacing the S with a super SUV like the Lamborghini Urus. Waiting for the unveiling of the new hybrid Urus (apparently imminent) which should be interesting. There are also a lot of gently used ones on the secondary market.
This week (as I seem to change my mind week to week), I’m thinking of replacing the S with a super SUV like the Lamborghini Urus. Waiting for the unveiling of the new hybrid Urus (apparently imminent) which should be interesting. There are also a lot of gently used ones on the secondary market.
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You can only label statements by others as "not true" when it is a "false claim and should be corrected by a fact" just like the several facts or claims you made above and changed from time to time or over the years, but you can't label an opinion related to something that is subjective as "not true". That's how I feel about it and you can not quantify comfort by a number. Several reviewers similarly reported that the comfort in the 7 is slightly inferior to the S-class, but it's still excellent. There is no right or wrong fact here, these are subjective opinions when comparing super comfortable rides like these. I'd label a statement as not true if we were comparing it to other brands, but both of these are already too good that anyone may like one vs the others. I don't know how someone would argue with someone else's subjective opinion. Share yours, but you can't convince others that what they felt is wrong especially when comfort at such luxury level can't be even measured or quantified.
It also depends on wheels, like anything else a 7 on 21s isn't going to ride as well as an S Class on 20s, but you put them both on 20s and the 7 is the better rider...at least the i7. The 760 doesn't glide as flatly down a highway as an S580 or S560, but the i7 does I think largely because of the weight.
On top of ride comfort, the seats in the G70 are dramatically more comfortable than the seats in the W223, and more comfortable than the seats in the W222 which really adds to the overall feel of comfort when driving and riding in the vehicle.
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Exactly, the boolsheet all the corporate propaganda outlets have been spewing about EVs is simply not true. There is no demand problem. It's a profit problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgIGowL02yU
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One of my relatives is a dealership GM for one of the brands; they are certainly concerned and (biased) against EVs for some of the same reasons this guy mentioned in his YouTube video. At the same time, I can't blame them. They can't move any of their EVs off the lot as fast as they can move ICE cars. Look at the pre-owned EQS... they can barely sell a 1 year old pre-owned EQS with a few thousands of miles even when discounted by 30-40K compared to a brand-new one. I have seen (and considered) a Pinnacle trim EQS 580; finding one for high 70s wasn't that hard 7-8 months ago. Same for I7, my local dealers and the other one a few hours away from me had several allocations and always a couple of these on the lot. I don't think dealerships are getting what they want form EVs either on the demand side or maintenance side. Having said that, I think the average consumer will learn to appreciate EVs once they at least own the very first one. I don't think there are many EV owners who'd ever consider switching to ICE; but it takes so much to take the first step and to switch to an EV.
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We have several with that package. Also, let me know your price range - I can also get you a bit of a deal (I think) through our friends and family deal (I get nothing, I am just a lowly IT guy )
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Stream, is it worth waiting for the S580 refresh? I know they won’t address all your gripes but you may be surprised with how many things are addressed in the refresh.
I really appreciate how good my S580 is after I haven’t driven it for a while or after driving another vehicle. It’s very special indeed!
I really appreciate how good my S580 is after I haven’t driven it for a while or after driving another vehicle. It’s very special indeed!
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So, since I am fairly unfamiliar with BMW and the 760 in particular, is the Autobahn pkg different from DRIVING ASSISTANCE PROFESSIONAL PACKAGE?
We have several with that package. Also, let me know your price range - I can also get you a bit of a deal (I think) through our friends and family deal (I get nothing, I am just a lowly IT guy )
We have several with that package. Also, let me know your price range - I can also get you a bit of a deal (I think) through our friends and family deal (I get nothing, I am just a lowly IT guy )
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Yes, two different packages. The Autobahn is a suspension upgrade, while the Driving Assistance is similar to the MB Driver’s Assistance Pkg. I appreciate the offer on the discount, but with you in FL and me in CA, I would anticipate great messiness trying something like that.
We have MB dealerships in Southern California that are ours, so discount is seamless. Your call. Gotta find the right one first!
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@Streamliner , am curious to hear your thoughts on this. But, given the diving characteristics priorities you have as far as driving comfort, and given the fact that your are buying/leasing a new car, is their a reason that a pre-owned Bently flying Spur for the same price range of a new and loaded W223 or i7 60 (~120-160K) isn’t an option you considered?
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If they fix the interior I too would be inclined to get another S Class. I love the look and feel of it, right now though the 7 is the better car,
Thats not true of the G70 generation, it was true of the G11/12. I have driven both the 760 and the i7 back to back multiple times with the W223 and my S560, and the G70 7 Series rides every bit as good, and the i7 rides better...probably because of the weight. This generation 7 Series is way more ride biased than previous 7s or other BMWs. Like me Streamliner is a big smooth ride fan and he has a non MBC S560 he's comparing the i7 to.
Thats not true of the G70 generation, it was true of the G11/12. I have driven both the 760 and the i7 back to back multiple times with the W223 and my S560, and the G70 7 Series rides every bit as good, and the i7 rides better...probably because of the weight. This generation 7 Series is way more ride biased than previous 7s or other BMWs. Like me Streamliner is a big smooth ride fan and he has a non MBC S560 he's comparing the i7 to.
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@Streamliner , am curious to hear your thoughts on this. But, given the diving characteristics priorities you have as far as driving comfort, and given the fact that your are buying/leasing a new car, is their a reason that a pre-owned Bently flying Spur for the same price range of a new and loaded W223 or i7 60 (~120-160K) isn’t an option you considered?
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