2023 s580 tire wheel issues?

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Mar 24, 2025 | 07:56 AM
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Apr 19, 2025 | 12:25 AM
  #28  
Quote: So I have a 2022 S580 with the 21 inch wheels which I have been successful in getting mercedes to buyback due to the popping tire issue and my question is does the 2023 580 at the same kind of tire/wheel issues? Thkx in advance

Hi. Can you please advise what your situation was? I have had three tire blowouts that I paid for myself at the local tire shop. I may have complaints each time when I called Mercedes. Did you take your car in every time to the dealership when this happened? How many times did they blow out? Did you have to take the car to the dealership?
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Apr 19, 2025 | 12:26 AM
  #29  
Question about buyback. I have the same car
Quote: So I have a 2022 S580 with the 21 inch wheels which I have been successful in getting mercedes to buyback due to the popping tire issue and my question is does the 2023 580 at the same kind of tire/wheel issues? Thkx in advance

Hi. Can you please advise what your situation was? I have had three tire blowouts that I paid for myself at the local tire shop. I may have complaints each time when I called Mercedes. Did you take your car in every time to the dealership when this happened? How many times did they blow out? Did you have to take the car to the dealership?
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Apr 19, 2025 | 12:27 AM
  #30  
Question about tire issue
Quote: as one of the original 21” wheel/Pirelli “victims with many posts, I did two things. I moved from San Diego’s third world roads, one year ago today, to NE Florida and bit the bullet and bought 4 new Michelins for a lot of money. Voila! No problems. Four tire failures(2 of which I had to pay for), stonewalling from Mercedes, filing a complaint with the NHTSA and the hassle of it all was too much.
so, take a guess, I’m getting ready to replace my 21 580. Do you think it’ll be with another Mercedes?
Hi. Can you please advise what your situation was? I have had three tire blowouts that I paid for myself at the local tire shop. I may have complaints each time when I called Mercedes. Did you take your car in every time to the dealership when this happened? How many times did they blow out? Did you have to take the car to the dealership?
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Apr 19, 2025 | 01:17 PM
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We have a MY23 S580e, purchased in December 2023. We had 23,000 miles on it, when I noticed the rear tires were down to the metal on the inside corners on both rear tires. We immediately replaced them, and did and alignment, though it wasn't that bad off, and you can adjust much on these cars now. I did switch from the OEM Hankook tires to a set of a little beefier Bridgestones, $2,440 later on 2/25/25 we got the car back. A month later the passenger rear started having a slow leak. I took it to a local trusted tire shop, they put it on a lift, sprayed the tire down with soapy water and couldn't find a leak anywhere. A couple days later after continuing to put air in the tire we took it to another tire shop that after much searching released the wheel was cracked causing the leak. I called Merecedes roadside, they towed it from our house down to our nearest dealership, which is 2 hours away. The confirmed it was a cracked wheel and it was covered under the wheel & tire warranty I purchased. They ordered a new wheel (we have the 20" wheels). On 4/9/25 they delivered the car back to our house. My wife went on a girls trip this weekend, 5 hour drive from the house, and just called saying the other rear tire has low air now. I am assuming this is the same issue with another cracked wheel. Other than the tire wear and wheel cracking issues, we really love the car, but she is over it. Mentioned just now maybe we should sell it or trade it in. I told her we would take such a huge hit on it. I see some folks on here have bought after market wheels, how have they worked out? I assume it is the weight of the car causing these OEM wheels to crack. Also, on the tire wear issue has anyone installed components that allow more adjustment of the tow and camber so that you can get the rear tires wearing more evenly? I am leaning towards aftermarket wheels and additional alignment components....or just trade the thing in, lick our money losing wounds, and move on...thoughts?
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Apr 19, 2025 | 02:54 PM
  #32  
Quote: We have a MY23 S580e, purchased in December 2023. We had 23,000 miles on it, when I noticed the rear tires were down to the metal on the inside corners on both rear tires. We immediately replaced them, and did and alignment, though it wasn't that bad off, and you can adjust much on these cars now. I did switch from the OEM Hankook tires to a set of a little beefier Bridgestones, $2,440 later on 2/25/25 we got the car back. A month later the passenger rear started having a slow leak. I took it to a local trusted tire shop, they put it on a lift, sprayed the tire down with soapy water and couldn't find a leak anywhere. A couple days later after continuing to put air in the tire we took it to another tire shop that after much searching released the wheel was cracked causing the leak. I called Merecedes roadside, they towed it from our house down to our nearest dealership, which is 2 hours away. The confirmed it was a cracked wheel and it was covered under the wheel & tire warranty I purchased. They ordered a new wheel (we have the 20" wheels). On 4/9/25 they delivered the car back to our house. My wife went on a girls trip this weekend, 5 hour drive from the house, and just called saying the other rear tire has low air now. I am assuming this is the same issue with another cracked wheel. Other than the tire wear and wheel cracking issues, we really love the car, but she is over it. Mentioned just now maybe we should sell it or trade it in. I told her we would take such a huge hit on it. I see some folks on here have bought after market wheels, how have they worked out? I assume it is the weight of the car causing these OEM wheels to crack. Also, on the tire wear issue has anyone installed components that allow more adjustment of the tow and camber so that you can get the rear tires wearing more evenly? I am leaning towards aftermarket wheels and additional alignment components....or just trade the thing in, lick our money losing wounds, and move on...thoughts?
Thanks for your response. I have experience for five tire blowouts but none of them had to do with cracked Wheels. They all the occurred from ordinary driving of the vehicle. This vehicle has been such a headache that I have been scared to drive it more than 20 miles from my house in fear that the tires would blow out. I ultimately ended up changing the car, but miraculously the s63 came out with a completely different tire setup with much thicker tires this time. Mercedes knows about this problemI I'm pretty certain of this. It is a crime that they are not taking care of their customers due to their own design flaw.

I am in California and there's a company called America's tire Company / discount tire and they offer certificates on the tires. When the car was new I took it there and spent $300 and the tires were insured against any issue where they could not repair the tires. And all my incidents, the sidewall went out so the tire needed to be changed. They replaced four to five tires for free and all I had to pay was about $60 for the certificate on the replacement tired. This saves me a fortune.

I am also reading that Michelin tires might be a better fit for the car over the pirelli tires that come with it. In fact, the s63 I saw in the dealership does not have pirelli tires anymore. As I mentioned, I traded mine in earlier for another car. I sold the car to GOT IN.com paid me approximately $10,000 more for the car than any Mercedes dealership or any other dealership was willing to pay.. it was a very hassle free experience and the car was sold with an idea no questions asked.

Mercedes also did something very stupid by making these tires non-run flat tires anymore and not including a damn spare tire for $150,000! They also have a stupid policy that they will only tow the car to a local dealership. They would not tow it to the tire store one mile from my house, when the local dealership was 10 mi away.

The correct way to handle this for anyone reading is that after every tire blowout, contact Mercedes roadside service and have them tow the car to a local Mercedes dealership. Have them make a record of the exact problem and why it's being towed. Have the dealership write up a ticket on the car including the fact that the tire blew out. Then either buy the tire from them or tow your car back (your insurance should have towing or you can get triple A for pennies) to the tire company that's going to do the replacement of the tire probably for much less. Have them replace the tire and keep records of all of these situations. The important thing is to have the Mercedes dealership record that this incident actually occurred or else they will fight you to the death.

After 3 to 4 instances, call Mercedes and express your extreme dissatisfaction, tell them you're going to report them and tell them you need them to buy your vehicle back. If that feels, get a lemon Law attorney. There was a class action lawsuit for this, but it is now close to new plaintiffs

To answer your question, Mercedes-Benz vehicles are still excellent cars and hold the test of time much better than BMW, with their ugly styling that I would never touch. There is a design flaw on this s580 with the 21-in rims and tires. All their other vehicles are fine and if you want another S-class, make sure you get it with 19 inch or 20-inch rims and tires so there is plenty of tire unlike the 21-in rims with hardly any tire. I know the 21-in rims look great, but they're not practical and will only lead to a headache. I wouldn't judge all Mercedes vehicles based on this situation. My subsequent car is in Mercedes and I'm very happy with it. I was also happy with my prior seven Mercedes-Benz vehicles I have owned.

This is in S-Class specific issue with the sports package including 21-in rims and tires. Don't let it discourage you from buying another car and let Mercedes know you will most likely buy another Mercedes if they work with you towards amicably resolving this matter.

Please let me know if any of this information helps.


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Apr 20, 2025 | 04:17 AM
  #33  
W223 ‘S’ Class Models - heavy vehicle and yes hard to believe that OEM there is no front “Camber” or “Caster” and no rear “Camber” adjustment capability !

Often quoted reassuring “Full Front and Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” is now only basic Toe - “directional” adjustment.

No longer able to adjust tire contact angles spread load more evenly. Excess edge load can also lead to higher impact with ruptured side walls and subsequent rim damage.

Elimination of adjustment (new car industry’s best kept secret) has been brought about through cost cutting and ever increasing speed of new car assembly lines.

No ongoing adjustment to cater for noticeable excess passenger side edge wear through high cambered roads. Altered height or load carrying and excess inner edge wear both sides or outer edge wear through spirited driving.

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Apr 20, 2025 | 07:05 AM
  #34  
First three blowouts were replaced at dealership, two at my expense. My fourth tire failure, I had the car towed to a Discount Tire store in Jacksonville and decided to replace all four Pirellis with Michelins, again at my expense. I was done with Pirellis’ and the P Zero’s inadequate sidewall strength and, Mercedes constantly blowing me off regarding their responsibility for the engineering fiasco of combining an inferior tire on super low profile 21” wheels. (As they have done to many other S580 owners with the same setup)
that was almost two years ago…. Result: no tire failures
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May 4, 2025 | 11:10 AM
  #35  
How will the oem 20s do around nyc metro area?
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May 5, 2025 | 07:30 AM
  #36  
From Pirelli's 21
I went from Pirelli's to Michelin's @ R21". Best Tires ever! I went with a larger sidewall had my lowering links adjusted to 10cm all the way around and couldn't be happier! Less tire wear better in snow and comfort. No blowouts though, even with Pirelli. I live in South Central PA.
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May 11, 2025 | 09:10 PM
  #37  
I'm going to stick with the 21's
I have the 21's on a 21 . It's been over a month since I've had her. And it's been a painful . Bubbled tires, Replaced rim . 2 replaced tires. Stranded nights in Columbus Ohio waiting for a new rim. Route 70 man. not a fan.
Frequent visits to the dealer . Ugh . I was about to go trade it in take the loss and just move on . Until . Back roads. Northeast. sport + . It was a beast. the 21's were perfect for that . My new mindset is that slowly drive it out of the city gentle. don't hit anything. then once upstate . Back roads. enjoy . I don't use as a daily. it's my leave the city car . Flame me. But you got to admit. the 21's when on the right roads. right conditions. are brilliant. 2021 > S580 > Feature Delete .
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May 12, 2025 | 09:26 PM
  #38  
Regarding 2021 S580
Quote: I have the 21's on a 21 . It's been over a month since I've had her. And it's been a painful . Bubbled tires, Replaced rim . 2 replaced tires. Stranded nights in Columbus Ohio waiting for a new rim. Route 70 man. not a fan.
Frequent visits to the dealer . Ugh . I was about to go trade it in take the loss and just move on . Until . Back roads. Northeast. sport + . It was a beast. the 21's were perfect for that . My new mindset is that slowly drive it out of the city gentle. don't hit anything. then once upstate . Back roads. enjoy . I don't use as a daily. it's my leave the city car . Flame me. But you got to admit. the 21's when on the right roads. right conditions. are brilliant. 2021 > S580 > Feature Delete .
I'm glad to hear that you like the car. However, it has only been one month since you're experiencing this problems. I bought a brand new 2023 and how to approximately four tire blowouts and issues.. each time stranded with no spare tire and no run flat tires. I was stranded each time and had to tow my car each time. You are setting yourself up for a major headache.

I can tell you really love the car like I did and I also tried justifying keeping it with this tire issue. I ended up keeping my car for 1 year and 4 months and I couldn't take it anymore. I had anxiety to drive more than 20 mi away from my home and I couldn't even take it on any trips to other cities like Las Vegas when I'm three and a half miles away. That should be a dream Ride in a Mercedes s580, not a disaster and not something to be nervous about..

This is a known issue on this car and Mercedes doesn't do anything about it. I gave up and dumped the car. I went with a different Mercedes that does not have this wheel and tire issue.

I hope you like the car, but just be aware of the road ahead.

You can protect yourself by towing it each time to a Mercedes dealer to document the issue. After three or four more issues, get a lemon law lawyer and get MBZ to buy it back.
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May 12, 2025 | 09:54 PM
  #39  
And the 21” failure saga continues.
As the person who started the thread on these blowouts about three years ago, I cannot believe the hundreds - probably thousands - of failures the S580s have had with this setup. And Mercedes does not own up to this design failure. As I’ve reported before, I replaced my Pirellis, after three blowouts with Michelins and, so far, no problems. Moving to Florida with better roads than 3rd world San Diego has, must help.. But, after spending 140k on a car, who wants to be spending time behind the wheel worrying about one of their tires blowing out?
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May 13, 2025 | 05:32 PM
  #40  
Quote: And the 21” failure saga continues.
As the person who started the thread on these blowouts about three years ago, I cannot believe the hundreds - probably thousands - of failures the S580s have had with this setup. And Mercedes does not own up to this design failure. As I’ve reported before, I replaced my Pirellis, after three blowouts with Michelins and, so far, no problems. Moving to Florida with better roads than 3rd world San Diego has, must help.. But, after spending 140k on a car, who wants to be spending time behind the wheel worrying about one of their tires blowing out?
This thread? https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...-pirellis.html
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May 13, 2025 | 05:35 PM
  #41  
never mind you're not OP do you mind linking your thread?
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May 13, 2025 | 05:36 PM
  #42  
Quote: I'm glad to hear that you like the car. However, it has only been one month since you're experiencing this problems. I bought a brand new 2023 and how to approximately four tire blowouts and issues.. each time stranded with no spare tire and no run flat tires. I was stranded each time and had to tow my car each time. You are setting yourself up for a major headache.

I can tell you really love the car like I did and I also tried justifying keeping it with this tire issue. I ended up keeping my car for 1 year and 4 months and I couldn't take it anymore. I had anxiety to drive more than 20 mi away from my home and I couldn't even take it on any trips to other cities like Las Vegas when I'm three and a half miles away. That should be a dream Ride in a Mercedes s580, not a disaster and not something to be nervous about..

This is a known issue on this car and Mercedes doesn't do anything about it. I gave up and dumped the car. I went with a different Mercedes that does not have this wheel and tire issue.

I hope you like the car, but just be aware of the road ahead.

You can protect yourself by towing it each time to a Mercedes dealer to document the issue. After three or four more issues, get a lemon law lawyer and get MBZ to buy it back.
Sorry to hear about it, did you ever consider dropping in sizes before you went with the buyback, what vehicle did you ended up replacing it with?
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May 13, 2025 | 05:40 PM
  #43  
https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...owout-21s.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...wheels-15.html
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May 14, 2025 | 06:46 AM
  #44  
The thread started March 17, 2022. Maybe same subject, wrong thread!
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May 14, 2025 | 02:26 PM
  #45  
Quote: The thread started March 17, 2022. Maybe same subject, wrong thread!
Oops.
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May 16, 2025 | 11:10 PM
  #46  
I have 21' liven midtown . as long as you don't drive over 15 miles an hour you will be fine !
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May 17, 2025 | 09:54 AM
  #47  
Quote: I have 21' liven midtown . as long as you don't drive over 15 miles an hour you will be fine !
That doesn't sound fun but I mean if mostly stop and go traffic, it makes sense why that speed.
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May 20, 2025 | 01:07 AM
  #48  
Quote: From Pirellis 21
I went from Pirelli's to Michelin's @ R21". Best Tires ever! I went with a larger sidewall had my lowering links adjusted to 10cm all the way around and couldn't be happier! Less tire wear better in snow and comfort. No blowouts though, even with Pirelli. I live in South Central PA.

What did you have to do to have the lowering links adjusted to 10cm? is that something the tire place can do? Or a dealer or shop?
Those are great looking wheels on yours. They are 21" I'm assuming?
what size tire did you put on with those wheels? Are they staggered front to back?
Will they work if you don't adjust the links?

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May 20, 2025 | 08:07 AM
  #49  
You need to go to a custom performance shop as Mercedes would charge over $3K to readjust. I went to a larger side wall and my kit was too low, found it was rubbing once it went to sport plus mode and when I was making 3 point turns on uneven pavement.
Yes, the wheels are 21" staggered.
You should be able to zoom in and see: 255/40/21 - Front, 295/35/21 - Rear
If you don't have a lowering kit on your vehicle, they will work (I would recommend spacers).


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May 20, 2025 | 08:31 AM
  #50  
Quote: You need to go to a custom performance shop as Mercedes would charge over $3K to readjust. I went to a larger side wall and my kit was too low, found it was rubbing once it went to sport plus mode and when I was making 3 point turns on uneven pavement.
Yes, the wheels are 21" staggered.
You should be able to zoom in and see: 255/40/21 - Front, 295/35/21 - Rear
If you don't have a lowering kit on your vehicle, they will work (I would recommend spacers).
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