Alignment Specs & Tire wear
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Alignment Specs & Tire wear
So corded the front tire inside shoulders with just around 9000 miles on the car. New tires and alignment attempted and I was told by the shop the front alignment is set at - 2.5 degrees of camber and is NOT adjustable? I was kinda shocked to hear this, as I was wanting to take some of the negative camber out as obviously this is a street driven car. Anyone know what the factory OEM alignment specs are for a 2023 AMG GT 63 S, big wheel set and carbon ceramic brakes if that makes a difference. Is it true there is no way to adjust camber on the car- still find that shocking. Thanks in advance.
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So corded the front tire inside shoulders with just around 9000 miles on the car. New tires and alignment attempted and I was told by the shop the front alignment is set at - 2.5 degrees of camber and is NOT adjustable? I was kinda shocked to hear this, as I was wanting to take some of the negative camber out as obviously this is a street driven car. Anyone know what the factory OEM alignment specs are for a 2023 AMG GT 63 S, big wheel set and carbon ceramic brakes if that makes a difference. Is it true there is no way to adjust camber on the car- still find that shocking. Thanks in advance.
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Yes it is NORMAL
but does not make it CORRECT.
It is normal because they have o way to adjust CAMBER to preven this from happening.
I mean what is more important to the average driver?
SUPER DUPER track performance around a curve for couple hundred mile race
OR
The average driver gets blowouts, flat tires every 5-50K miles or a DEFLATED or FLAT wallet of cash since they are buying tires so much.
ever try to see th inside tread on these sedans? I cannot too dayum far under and low to ground...so I try checking them with my cellphone pictures... does not helpmuch
Point is you need to get your tires checked way more often then the oil change interval..
too me this is a safety issue as it would suck to have a blow in doing 70mph on interstate because cmaber is off, non-adjustable, "NORMAL" but only 5000 miles into your 50,000 mile treadlife tires.
Old grandma gonna end up in the guardrail....
but does not make it CORRECT.
It is normal because they have o way to adjust CAMBER to preven this from happening.
I mean what is more important to the average driver?
SUPER DUPER track performance around a curve for couple hundred mile race
OR
The average driver gets blowouts, flat tires every 5-50K miles or a DEFLATED or FLAT wallet of cash since they are buying tires so much.
ever try to see th inside tread on these sedans? I cannot too dayum far under and low to ground...so I try checking them with my cellphone pictures... does not helpmuch
Point is you need to get your tires checked way more often then the oil change interval..
too me this is a safety issue as it would suck to have a blow in doing 70mph on interstate because cmaber is off, non-adjustable, "NORMAL" but only 5000 miles into your 50,000 mile treadlife tires.
Old grandma gonna end up in the guardrail....
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Yes, that's normal on at least the 63 AMG models. Camber in the front is aggressive and as said can't be adjusted without aftermarket adjustable control arms. Rear camber I believe can be adjusted with shims on some models at least. The GT 2-door has adjustable camber on all four corners, at least the GT R and up and comes with a set of shims from the factory so you can align it for specific tracks, but the more street focused AMGs have fixed camber. That's the nature of the beast. It's a performance car. If you mostly drive it like a Toyota Camry, then maybe a Toyota Camry is a more suitable car. These are designed to be driven at triple digit speeds on the German Autobahn every day, not in 25 mph commuter grid lock. There are better suited cars for that. Either get a more normal commuter car, or be willing to deal with the consequences of daily driving a performance car in commuter traffic etc.
These cars are not designed to maximize tire life. Tires are consumables, so are brakes. You gonna end up replacing both of these frequently with a car like this. Especially as heavy as the GT 4-door is. Wrong car if you are expecting to get 30k miles from your tires. FWIW, in the rear I get fairly close to the tread wear warranty of 15k miles that Michelin provides for staggered non rotatable setups with my C63S coupe, and around 8k for the fronts. I could file a warranty claim for the fronts, but it just hasn't been worth it to me. I knew what I was getting into with a car like this, and I don't daily drive anyway.
These cars are not designed to maximize tire life. Tires are consumables, so are brakes. You gonna end up replacing both of these frequently with a car like this. Especially as heavy as the GT 4-door is. Wrong car if you are expecting to get 30k miles from your tires. FWIW, in the rear I get fairly close to the tread wear warranty of 15k miles that Michelin provides for staggered non rotatable setups with my C63S coupe, and around 8k for the fronts. I could file a warranty claim for the fronts, but it just hasn't been worth it to me. I knew what I was getting into with a car like this, and I don't daily drive anyway.
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Regardless it would be nice to have some adjustability. My 992 Turbo S OEM spec front is -0.9 - 0.5, and pushed that out to -1.5 which is a nice compromise and a lot easier on the tires. IMHO anything close or exceeding -2.0 unnecessarily wears tires for normal road use.
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Different car a 911. Lighter front with less weight transfer during cornering, so less static negative camber is required to maintain optimal contact patch during cornering. At least that's the theory. More weight in the front pushes down on the outer wheel more in corners, you so you need to start with more static camber in order to have optimal dynamic camber while cornering.
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Well the take away is you can change the camber settings on most cars to suit your driving needs/style, would have liked to have that option on this car.
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Actually, the trend is towards non adjustable camber and caster. For me no, I have no desire to reduce camber. As I said, I didn't buy my car to commute and doodle around in the daily mess. I hit up the canyons and fun roads with it, so lots of cornering. If I had a commute, I'd have a commuter car for that.
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Actually, the trend is towards non adjustable camber and caster. For me no, I have no desire to reduce camber. As I said, I didn't buy my car to commute and doodle around in the daily mess. I hit up the canyons and fun roads with it, so lots of cornering. If I had a commute, I'd have a commuter car for that.
All to do with cost cutting and ever increasing speed of new car assembly lines. Stopping assembly to precisely adjust is no longer an option.
Yet Camber is essential - allowing to “adjust tire contact angles” for spirited driving or Track days. Being able to dramatically reduce understeer - allowing to go deeper into the corners with increased traction and braking response. Or lowering and subsequent wheel squat and premature inner edge wear.
Instead onus is now put back on owners to fund costly, premature tire replacement !
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