SL/R129: R230 wheels on R129 cars?
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R230 wheels on R129 cars?
Has anyone had any problems with this?
I don't think there would be any clearance issues at the rear, but how about the front? Will the 255/45/R17 size tires work up there?
I bolted a set on the front and drove the car over varying road surfaces for 10 miles or so with no problems. I only encountered any rubbing at all at full steering lock and then they just barely touched the plastic inner fender. Full steering lock would only be used at parking speeds anyway. There was no immediate hard surface directly behind where they rubbed, so I don't think there would be an issue. They looked good too.
I would welcome anyone elses experience in this department.
Gar
I don't think there would be any clearance issues at the rear, but how about the front? Will the 255/45/R17 size tires work up there?
I bolted a set on the front and drove the car over varying road surfaces for 10 miles or so with no problems. I only encountered any rubbing at all at full steering lock and then they just barely touched the plastic inner fender. Full steering lock would only be used at parking speeds anyway. There was no immediate hard surface directly behind where they rubbed, so I don't think there would be an issue. They looked good too.
I would welcome anyone elses experience in this department.
Gar
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How about the overall diameter; if it is not the same, and it sounds like the diameter is bigger since they rub, your speedo will not be correct.
Perhaps 255/40 x 17 would be closer to the correct diameter. Not sure if that size exists - check with a tire store.
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Perhaps 255/40 x 17 would be closer to the correct diameter. Not sure if that size exists - check with a tire store.
Later,
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The set already has the tires mounted.
I imagine they may be a tiny bit taller than the 245's, and yes, that would alter the speedo a little.
I think it's the width that causes the small amount of rubbing though.
255/45/R17 would be a plus one to a 245/55/16 I think.
What are the largest tires that normally mount to the front of the 129's?
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I imagine they may be a tiny bit taller than the 245's, and yes, that would alter the speedo a little.
I think it's the width that causes the small amount of rubbing though.
255/45/R17 would be a plus one to a 245/55/16 I think.
What are the largest tires that normally mount to the front of the 129's?
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the 255/45/r17 are 26.04 inches tall and the 245/45/17 are 25.68 tall so you may have some speedo errors. If you are going to mount the r230 tires I would strongly suggest along with luke from tire rack to get longer bolts because the r230 rim will reduce the amount of lug into the rotor by 2mm. It may not sound like much but I would not mess with it.
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While we are at this topic, will someone give me some suggestions on what to mount on my rims that I just bought.
Bought a set of used 17" AMG Monoblock off a CLK55. The tires on the rims are 225/45R17 in the front and 245/40R17 in the rear.
The tires on my OEM rims are 225/55R16 front and back.
My questions are:
1). Can I use the 225/45R17 and 245/40R17 on my car? Will this affect my speedo?
2). If the above is not right for my car, what size of tires should I purchase in order not to mass up the speedo?
My car is a '95 SL. Thanks for any help out there.
Bought a set of used 17" AMG Monoblock off a CLK55. The tires on the rims are 225/45R17 in the front and 245/40R17 in the rear.
The tires on my OEM rims are 225/55R16 front and back.
My questions are:
1). Can I use the 225/45R17 and 245/40R17 on my car? Will this affect my speedo?
2). If the above is not right for my car, what size of tires should I purchase in order not to mass up the speedo?
My car is a '95 SL. Thanks for any help out there.
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MeJay, as I said above and what Blacb129 said, the diameter is the critical issue with the speedo. A better way to measure is the "rolling circumference"; measure the circumference of the tires since you have both in hand. Also, there are tire size charts that give the diameters as per sizes and wheel sizes, can't put my hands on a chart right now. Tire companies have these. There is a formula for this; I'll look it up, but have to go now.
Later,
Don
Later,
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OK, I found the Tire Diameter foumula:
TIRE DIAMETER CALCULATION
Tire Diameter = (Width x Aspect Ratio) / 2540 x 2 + Wheel Diameter(inches)
Where: Width is the first number in size (i.e. 225)
Aspect Ratio is second number (i.e. 55)
2540 is the conversion factor to inches
Wheel Diameter in inches
Example: 225/55 x 16
225 x 55/2540 x 2 + 16 = 25.74 inches
Example: 225/45 x 17
225 x 45/2540 x 2 + 17 = 24.97 inches
So you can calculate the diameters.
MeJay: your stock size is 225/55R16, same as mine, which is 25.74 inches diameter. As you can see the 225/45R17 has a diameter of 24.97 inches, quite a difference to the speedo.
Later, and Happy New Year !!
Don
TIRE DIAMETER CALCULATION
Tire Diameter = (Width x Aspect Ratio) / 2540 x 2 + Wheel Diameter(inches)
Where: Width is the first number in size (i.e. 225)
Aspect Ratio is second number (i.e. 55)
2540 is the conversion factor to inches
Wheel Diameter in inches
Example: 225/55 x 16
225 x 55/2540 x 2 + 16 = 25.74 inches
Example: 225/45 x 17
225 x 45/2540 x 2 + 17 = 24.97 inches
So you can calculate the diameters.
MeJay: your stock size is 225/55R16, same as mine, which is 25.74 inches diameter. As you can see the 225/45R17 has a diameter of 24.97 inches, quite a difference to the speedo.
Later, and Happy New Year !!
Don
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The real problem is if you use R230 wheels with ball seat mounts (just about any OEM wheel and a few aftermarket wheels), the 14mm lug diameter of the R230 wheel will not be retained properly by the 12mm lugs on the R129 chassis. It's really not a good situation.
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Originally Posted by RUCKDR
OK, I found the Tire Diameter foumula:
TIRE DIAMETER CALCULATION
Tire Diameter = (Width x Aspect Ratio) / 2540 x 2 + Wheel Diameter(inches)
Where: Width is the first number in size (i.e. 225)
Aspect Ratio is second number (i.e. 55)
2540 is the conversion factor to inches
Wheel Diameter in inches
Example: 225/55 x 16
225 x 55/2540 x 2 + 16 = 25.74 inches
Example: 225/45 x 17
225 x 45/2540 x 2 + 17 = 24.97 inches
So you can calculate the diameters.
MeJay: your stock size is 225/55R16, same as mine, which is 25.74 inches diameter. As you can see the 225/45R17 has a diameter of 24.97 inches, quite a difference to the speedo.
Later, and Happy New Year !!
Don
TIRE DIAMETER CALCULATION
Tire Diameter = (Width x Aspect Ratio) / 2540 x 2 + Wheel Diameter(inches)
Where: Width is the first number in size (i.e. 225)
Aspect Ratio is second number (i.e. 55)
2540 is the conversion factor to inches
Wheel Diameter in inches
Example: 225/55 x 16
225 x 55/2540 x 2 + 16 = 25.74 inches
Example: 225/45 x 17
225 x 45/2540 x 2 + 17 = 24.97 inches
So you can calculate the diameters.
MeJay: your stock size is 225/55R16, same as mine, which is 25.74 inches diameter. As you can see the 225/45R17 has a diameter of 24.97 inches, quite a difference to the speedo.
Later, and Happy New Year !!
Don
Thank you so much for the calculator. Now I need to find a tire size that will fit my car. Thanks again.
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The wheels are from a '01 CLK. Hope the lugs are the same. Will dind out when I mount them this weekend.
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http://www.sstire.com/tireheights.html. This is a pretty good chart for quick tire size reference.
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The car drove terrible - pulled left and right - I couldnt determine the exact problem but when I put back the 17" wheels i had from a 99 SL500 the car drove perfect again
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Is there a solution to this? I just bought AMG Style III wheels from an R230 for my 94 SL500. I knew the R230 took 14mm bolts instead of the 12mm bolts. Do they sell 12mm lug bolts that can seat properly on the R230 wheels? I've heard some people having no problems with the 12mm bolts but they just needed the right length bolts. Hmmm...
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Is there a solution to this? I just bought AMG Style III wheels from an R230 for my 94 SL500. I knew the R230 took 14mm bolts instead of the 12mm bolts. Do they sell 12mm lug bolts that can seat properly on the R230 wheels? I've heard some people having no problems with the 12mm bolts but they just needed the right length bolts. Hmmm...
RADUSADIRECT they have a 12mm thread with a shank length of 26mm and a 14mm ball seat P/N 20-4067-B
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Unless you have practical first hand experience you should not comment. The only real difference is the major thread diameter 12mm Vs. 14mm ( less than 3/16 ) and the ball seat diameter, With RADUSADIRECT bolts P/N 20-4067-B which has a 14 mm ball seat and the 12mm diameter thread the problem goes away. Use those AMG wheels. Keep in mind that these wheels and the SL hubs are hub centric,they do not rely on the lug bolts for concentricity.
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I have finally placed rubber 245/45/17 on wheels 17"that I got from a forum member in Texas. The strut flexible boot zip tie three flange retainer had to be rotated so that it would not contact the inside of the rubber. The boot otherwise would have been in contact with the sidewall of the tire at slow speeds to say nothing of the wall flex contact at high speeds. If there is a next time I will buy a narrower tire. ( don't intend to drive this but a few k's a year anymore)
Speedometer and cruise has little issue with the .3 inch difference in the original 16 inch wheel configuration.
Speedometer and cruise has little issue with the .3 inch difference in the original 16 inch wheel configuration.
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Unless you have practical first hand experience you should not comment. The only real difference is the major thread diameter 12mm Vs. 14mm ( less than 3/16 ) and the ball seat diameter, With RADUSADIRECT bolts P/N 20-4067-B which has a 14 mm ball seat and the 12mm diameter thread the problem goes away. Use those AMG wheels. Keep in mind that these wheels and the SL hubs are hub centric,they do not rely on the lug bolts for concentricity.
I put 04 SL55 22 spoke turbine wheels on my 99 SL500, just swapped the stock tires from the oem 5 spoke AMG's to the new SL55's and installed with the 12m x 26mm, 14mm ball lugs.... perfect fit, the SL looks great and handles perfectly.
