SL/R230: Forever FIX off your ABC issues and engine oil use
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Well, I had my bubble burst talking to the ITW Professional Products technical rep in Lakeland Florida. By the way ITW stands for Illinois Tool Works, which I have owned stock in for years. He told me they have discontinued the QMI products and partially replaced them with the Full Throttle brand. He did not recommend using any of their products with hydraulic systems. They are great for engines transmissions, etc., but not the ABC pump.
We buy from Norway dealer www.qmi.no and Spain Dealer , Was Norway dealer/ importer that told me to use it in my ABC, This guy know alot about oil products. They had journalist fill one liter teflon treatment on his engine, then drive it . Then empty it of all oil, then drove it for close to 40 min without oil. before it stopped , engine cooled down, filled oil, car started up and worked normal..
her is a letter from a company that own bigger ships with a leak issue.
ET37–2009 Liquid Seal Treatment
Description of Incident:
From time to time our vessels experience leakages of oil from stern tubes and thrusters, which would normally require dry docking of the vessel for repairs. Rcently we have managed to stop or significantly reduce such leakages by means of an additive to the lubricating oil.
Polar Sea, stern tube leakage to sea. Loss 10 - 15 liters a day. We ordered and filled 25 liters into the stern tube header tank, oil leak stopped after two days.
Challenger thruster leak stopped.
Falcon stern tube leak, internal leak approx 45-50 liter a day on each shaft. We filled 50 liters into each header tank, some days later port seal leaks 0,5 liters a day and stbd seal 10,5 liters a day.
Experience Transfer / Lesson to be learned:
Seals do not last forever, but LiquidSeal can often avoid oil leak and repairs the seals, or at least postpone repairs until more conveniently scheduled pit stop.
The “IceLube LiquidSeal” treatment can partly reduce or stop oil leaks by restoring seal elasticity and gently increasing seal size to fill the leak causing gaps. Liquid Seals formula contains no harmful aromatic solvents, witch cause uncontrolled seal swelling and loss of elasticity. What’s important you can add Liquid Seal into all kinds of oil.
The supplier informs that this can be used on engines, cranes, compressors steering gears, propeller shafts, hyd. equipment. We will have it mainly for adding in stern tube and thrusters oil, to reduce leakages. This product is not recommended by all propeller manufactures, but this should be evaluated from time to time when the situation occurs.
Recommendations
I will advice all vessels to have at least 50 liters in stock to be used when uncontrolled leakage occurs.
Best Regards,
HSEQ Department.
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HA HA HA, but this worked fine for 10 years now in my first Sl55 AMG , not even changed the pump , 0 nada nothing changed on that car. Plus many people i know ,have sealed up their leaks years ago in same way and nothing wrong happend with system. , And hydraulic treatment in my both my current AMG , cars work super, no issues. Full Throttle brand is same as before.
We buy from Norway dealer www.qmi.no and Spain Dealer , Was Norway dealer/ importer that told me to use it in my ABC, This guy know alot about oil products. They had journalist fill one liter teflon treatment on his engine, then drive it . Then empty it of all oil, then drove it for close to 40 min without oil. before it stopped , engine cooled down, filled oil, car started up and worked normal..
her is a letter from a company that own bigger ships with a leak issue.
ET372009 Liquid Seal Treatment
Description of Incident:
From time to time our vessels experience leakages of oil from stern tubes and thrusters, which would normally require dry docking of the vessel for repairs. Rcently we have managed to stop or significantly reduce such leakages by means of an additive to the lubricating oil.
Polar Sea, stern tube leakage to sea. Loss 10 - 15 liters a day. We ordered and filled 25 liters into the stern tube header tank, oil leak stopped after two days.
Challenger thruster leak stopped.
Falcon stern tube leak, internal leak approx 45-50 liter a day on each shaft. We filled 50 liters into each header tank, some days later port seal leaks 0,5 liters a day and stbd seal 10,5 liters a day.
Experience Transfer / Lesson to be learned:
Seals do not last forever, but LiquidSeal can often avoid oil leak and repairs the seals, or at least postpone repairs until more conveniently scheduled pit stop.
The IceLube LiquidSeal treatment can partly reduce or stop oil leaks by restoring seal elasticity and gently increasing seal size to fill the leak causing gaps. Liquid Seals formula contains no harmful aromatic solvents, witch cause uncontrolled seal swelling and loss of elasticity. Whats important you can add Liquid Seal into all kinds of oil.
The supplier informs that this can be used on engines, cranes, compressors steering gears, propeller shafts, hyd. equipment. We will have it mainly for adding in stern tube and thrusters oil, to reduce leakages. This product is not recommended by all propeller manufactures, but this should be evaluated from time to time when the situation occurs.
Recommendations
I will advice all vessels to have at least 50 liters in stock to be used when uncontrolled leakage occurs.
Best Regards,
HSEQ Department.
We buy from Norway dealer www.qmi.no and Spain Dealer , Was Norway dealer/ importer that told me to use it in my ABC, This guy know alot about oil products. They had journalist fill one liter teflon treatment on his engine, then drive it . Then empty it of all oil, then drove it for close to 40 min without oil. before it stopped , engine cooled down, filled oil, car started up and worked normal..
her is a letter from a company that own bigger ships with a leak issue.
ET372009 Liquid Seal Treatment
Description of Incident:
From time to time our vessels experience leakages of oil from stern tubes and thrusters, which would normally require dry docking of the vessel for repairs. Rcently we have managed to stop or significantly reduce such leakages by means of an additive to the lubricating oil.
Polar Sea, stern tube leakage to sea. Loss 10 - 15 liters a day. We ordered and filled 25 liters into the stern tube header tank, oil leak stopped after two days.
Challenger thruster leak stopped.
Falcon stern tube leak, internal leak approx 45-50 liter a day on each shaft. We filled 50 liters into each header tank, some days later port seal leaks 0,5 liters a day and stbd seal 10,5 liters a day.
Experience Transfer / Lesson to be learned:
Seals do not last forever, but LiquidSeal can often avoid oil leak and repairs the seals, or at least postpone repairs until more conveniently scheduled pit stop.
The IceLube LiquidSeal treatment can partly reduce or stop oil leaks by restoring seal elasticity and gently increasing seal size to fill the leak causing gaps. Liquid Seals formula contains no harmful aromatic solvents, witch cause uncontrolled seal swelling and loss of elasticity. Whats important you can add Liquid Seal into all kinds of oil.
The supplier informs that this can be used on engines, cranes, compressors steering gears, propeller shafts, hyd. equipment. We will have it mainly for adding in stern tube and thrusters oil, to reduce leakages. This product is not recommended by all propeller manufactures, but this should be evaluated from time to time when the situation occurs.
Recommendations
I will advice all vessels to have at least 50 liters in stock to be used when uncontrolled leakage occurs.
Best Regards,
HSEQ Department.
Yes, you can safely use BlueDevil Hydraulic Stop Leak to treat your Mercedes. You should apply 1 ounce of BlueDevil per every 1 quart of fluid capacity; more is not better.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:32 PM Robert Lovell <Bob_Lovell@msn.com> wrote:
Would Hydraulic Stop Leak work in a 2007 Mercedes Benz SL550 to stop leaks in the hydraulic suspension system? It uses Pentosin CHF 11S hydraulic fluid in both the suspension system and the power steering. Both are operated by a tandum pump that has a small leak. These systems notoriously leak with age.
Does anyone know the capacity of the ABC system?
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BOB ok, yes, its ok. probaly will work. But i not tested that one, when QMI do the job perfect and safe, i not need change anything . Remember Bob ,is 20 years sinse i treated my R129 SL500 and drove it like it was stolen for 4 years , blowing down highways in 275 kmh. ,and not even once in 4 years i needed repair anything. It started up in minus 30 C without a knock, yes i was driving it all year . So for me to use something else,is a no brainer.
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BOB ok, yes, its ok. probaly will work. But i not tested that one, when QMI do the job perfect and safe, i not need change anything . Remember Bob ,is 20 years sinse i treated my R129 SL500 and drove it like it was stolen for 4 years , blowing down highways in 275 kmh. ,and not even once in 4 years i needed repair anything. It started up in minus 30 C without a knock, yes i was driving it all year . So for me to use something else,is a no brainer.
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So BOB , you say that your local garage , cant order here https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ look seller list
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So BOB , you say that your local garage , cant order here https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ or in Firestone, or Tire Plus service centers ?
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the powersteering liq you use only for powersteering , LiquidSeal you can add everywhere where it is a leak or weak seal, very easy, Engine ,gearbox, diff. ABC system ,including powersteering.
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There seems to be 2 QMI companies
I have been trying to find QMI LiquiSeal, and have been unsuccessful. I found out it is manufactured near me in Lakeland, Florida by ITW Professional Automotive Products. They also make a product under the Full Throttle brand named "Multi System Sealer". It appears to do the same thing, and my guess is that LiquiSeal is their international brand name. Apparently, the Full Throttle products are sold to professional mechanics and garages. A retail product sold at most U. S. auto parts stores is Blue Devil " Hydraulic Stop Leak" which on their web site appears to do the same thing as LiquiSeal and Multi System Sealer. The material safety data sheet ("MSDS") for Blue Devil says its Di(ethylene glycol) ethyl ether; for LiquiSeal it's Triphenyl phosphate. Apparently, they are different formulae. Has anyone tried the Blue Devil product?
So has anyone else been able to find more success stories and more information about the QMI LiquiSeal product? And WHICH QMI LiquiSeal actually worked for them? I have found only one seller in USA (pdqtool.com) . Interestingly there are only a few sellers worldwide I could find (like about 4 - and each of them having a photo of a completely different looking bottle with different looking label of QMI LiquiSeal)
If the product is really that great and would work for both main problems of R320 (ABC and the roof hydraulics) it would really help a lot of people
thanks
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I've got intrigued by this QMI treatment for ABC and a brief research indicates that it seems there are two QMI companies one in Norway and one in USA (Florida). They appear unrelated though. Tommy is referring to the one in Norway (where his testimonial is also posted). The Norwegian company seems to be terrible in marketing as indicated, so maybe they really have something special and just don't know how to promote it. Through google I've found 3 people on the Internet reporting about QMI LiquiSeal treatments (Tommy, someone named Zaid Mustapha in Trinidad, and one anonymous).
So has anyone else been able to find more success stories and more information about the QMI LiquiSeal product? And WHICH QMI LiquiSeal actually worked for them? I have found only one seller in USA (pdqtool.com) . Interestingly there are only a few sellers worldwide I could find (like about 4 - and each of them having a photo of a completely different looking bottle with different looking label of QMI LiquiSeal)
If the product is really that great and would work for both main problems of R320 (ABC and the roof hydraulics) it would really help a lot of people
thanks
So has anyone else been able to find more success stories and more information about the QMI LiquiSeal product? And WHICH QMI LiquiSeal actually worked for them? I have found only one seller in USA (pdqtool.com) . Interestingly there are only a few sellers worldwide I could find (like about 4 - and each of them having a photo of a completely different looking bottle with different looking label of QMI LiquiSeal)
If the product is really that great and would work for both main problems of R320 (ABC and the roof hydraulics) it would really help a lot of people
thanks
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BoB, if its your pump that is leaking, not shure that anything will work . But qmi as i sayd 100 times before will work as i sayd. because i have tested it . What would my motive be to make up some story about this ? what is it not to belive about what i say ? in Facebook group Mercedes SL 55 AMG R230 is 2 guys that confirm that worked fine seal up leaking ABC system Clas Tørnqvist and Ivar Prøsch .
Marketing is the Norway dealer very OK . Marketing and make tings difficult and confusing for customers, seems like the USA producer is the champion . The Norway dealer buy from USA . some bigger ferrys that goes from Oslo to Kiel Germany ,filled 4 tons on main engine teflon treatment ,4000 kilo on a 5 to 10 million dollar engine.
I not understand you guys that want make doubt in what i allready have proved sinse 1995 and 2010 when this ABC was sealed up, is 10 years ago , and car run fine, not changed anything in ABC system ever.
read this link https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ USA seller that would say something that is wrong , for shure not . all it does is make less friction, expand seals, rubber seals that you also have in a steering sylinder .
Marketing is the Norway dealer very OK . Marketing and make tings difficult and confusing for customers, seems like the USA producer is the champion . The Norway dealer buy from USA . some bigger ferrys that goes from Oslo to Kiel Germany ,filled 4 tons on main engine teflon treatment ,4000 kilo on a 5 to 10 million dollar engine.
I not understand you guys that want make doubt in what i allready have proved sinse 1995 and 2010 when this ABC was sealed up, is 10 years ago , and car run fine, not changed anything in ABC system ever.
read this link https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ USA seller that would say something that is wrong , for shure not . all it does is make less friction, expand seals, rubber seals that you also have in a steering sylinder .
Multi-System Sealer
PART NO. FT40204
Full Throttle® Multi-System Sealer restores hardened, shrunken and brittle seals. Specifically designed to soften and gently swell the seal, recovering its elasticity before it breaks.- For Use in Oil System, Transmission and Power Steering
- Full synthetic, Solvent-Free Oil-Based Formula
- Restores Seals and O-rings
- Metal and Chlorine free
- Concentrated Treatment
- Stops Leaks
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YES ,this will for shure help keep the sylinders tight and nice, everyone should add for vario roof system ,to prevent leak in future, cars so old now ,and if been sitting long time, and in very hot summers ,is even worse. My cars always been in tempered garages sinse i buy them , so i managed ok so far, but will add som hydraulic treatment next time .
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BoB, if its your pump that is leaking, not shure that anything will work . But qmi as i sayd 100 times before will work as i sayd. because i have tested it . What would my motive be to make up some story about this ? what is it not to belive about what i say ? in Facebook group Mercedes SL 55 AMG R230 is 2 guys that confirm that worked fine seal up leaking ABC system Clas Tørnqvist and Ivar Prøsch .
Marketing is the Norway dealer very OK . Marketing and make tings difficult and confusing for customers, seems like the USA producer is the champion . The Norway dealer buy from USA . some bigger ferrys that goes from Oslo to Kiel Germany ,filled 4 tons on main engine teflon treatment ,4000 kilo on a 5 to 10 million dollar engine.
I not understand you guys that want make doubt in what i allready have proved sinse 1995 and 2010 when this ABC was sealed up, is 10 years ago , and car run fine, not changed anything in ABC system ever.
read this link https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ USA seller that would say something that is wrong , for shure not . all it does is make less friction, expand seals, rubber seals that you also have in a steering sylinder .
Marketing is the Norway dealer very OK . Marketing and make tings difficult and confusing for customers, seems like the USA producer is the champion . The Norway dealer buy from USA . some bigger ferrys that goes from Oslo to Kiel Germany ,filled 4 tons on main engine teflon treatment ,4000 kilo on a 5 to 10 million dollar engine.
I not understand you guys that want make doubt in what i allready have proved sinse 1995 and 2010 when this ABC was sealed up, is 10 years ago , and car run fine, not changed anything in ABC system ever.
read this link https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com...system-sealer/ USA seller that would say something that is wrong , for shure not . all it does is make less friction, expand seals, rubber seals that you also have in a steering sylinder .
Multi-System Sealer
PART NO. FT40204
Full Throttle® Multi-System Sealer restores hardened, shrunken and brittle seals. Specifically designed to soften and gently swell the seal, recovering its elasticity before it breaks.- For Use in Oil System, Transmission and Power Steering
- Full synthetic, Solvent-Free Oil-Based Formula
- Restores Seals and O-rings
- Metal and Chlorine free
- Concentrated Treatment
- Stops Leaks
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YES is same , Norway dealer and Spanish dealer buy from Florida factory, that link to full Trottle web page, . Seems like the factory like workshops to add it correct, chake bottles for 5 min and add on cold engines, need start right away and drive. if just fill and do nothing, IF NOT drive,the teflon and stuff just end up on bottom wherever you fill it and would be usless.
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YES is same , Norway dealer and Spanish dealer buy from Florida factory, that link to full Trottle web page, but i guess need be a workshop that order from there, or you need go Tire Plus or Firstone service centers to buy . Seems like the factory like workshops to add it correct, chake bottles for 5 min and add on cold engines, need start right away and drive. if just fill and do nothing, IF NOT drive,the teflon and stuff just end up on bottom wherever you fill it and would be usless.
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LITTLE UPDATE ON MY 2007 SL55AMG , it has now 9000 km sins oil change , and not added any oil sins oil change 15 month ago . miles 5600, i use Royal Purple HPS sae 10 w 40 with the teflon treatment, Used Royal Purple sins owned sl500 from year 2000 , 20 years now. They say it flow as fast as the Mobil 1
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RE: QMI Products available at Tires Plus. I stopped by my local store and the Manager knew nothing about QMI products. "We're not a Parts store" "Try Advanced, etc." Came up Flat there.
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The way I understand the world QMI no longer exists (at least in US) and has been replaced with FullThrottle which is available (see a photo above of a bottle from a case which I have bought to give it a try). I don't know if it works and I will try to find out myself
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removed not useful info from myself, on where can buy.
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I checked out Kwik, signed up and discovered they sell FullThrottle products via e-commerce site. You must sign up to see prices, which appear reasonable.
https://gokwikparts.com/
https://gokwikparts.com/
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I checked out Kwik, signed up and discovered they sell FullThrottle products via e-commerce site. You must sign up to see prices, which appear reasonable.
https://gokwikparts.com/
https://gokwikparts.com/