SL/R230: Forever FIX off your ABC issues and engine oil use
07-16-2020, 11:16 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-THROTT...8/353142011870
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
07-17-2020, 11:11 AM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-THROTT...8/353142011870
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
07-18-2020, 03:06 PM
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The deal on GoKwikparts for one bottle of sealer and one bottle of engine treatment with shipping is 30 dollars The Ebay deal for ten dollars more gives you eight treatments! and shipping is free. No Brainer Thanks all for the info.
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07-19-2020, 05:18 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-THROTT...8/353142011870
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
This listing has 8 of each bottles, i'm going to try it, got some sweating around the VC gaskets hoping this will stop it. Looks like i should dump the big 11oz bottle in there then the smaller 4oz after, should i do this at the next oil change? if i dump it in now it'll be too much oil in there.
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07-19-2020, 10:13 PM
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is best suck out little old oil, never good overfill . cold engine add both bottles, and go for long hard drive. . delay oil change little. other bottle ,big one friksjons treat your engine, probably will see lower oil temp.good idea feel over the bolts with a wrench, in one of my cars, bolts feelt very loose. had to tighten slightly.
07-20-2020, 06:07 AM
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So 2 small bottles for the engine, 1 small bottle for the ABC system, 1/2 small bottle for the Vario roof system. The big one is just a treatment for the engine? Thanks, i've never used any additives in any of my cars before, this will be the first. I see you guys have good results so why not, if it'll stop the valve cover gaskets from sweating, i'm dreading replacing it, so much work.
i got bottle QMI Teflon on my sl63 engine ,lifter noice gone instant.
this guys father,invented QMI teflon treatment . https://www.solidstart.com/products/engine/t132/
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07-20-2020, 10:46 PM
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I was speaking to my Mechanic today about this product and he reacted negative to using such products. Like Seal sealers. Yes he said the products who ever makes them will react with the rubber seals and make them soft again. Great. BUT the reaction does not stop and continues to destroy the seals going forward. So live with a leaks and stains until you can't stand it anymore and you smell the oil but keep this crap out of your vehicle. Or use it when you want to sell the vehicle. His words. I believe him. If I can afford a Sl500 I am not going to gum up the works with mystery crap. And one thing Tommyboy you seem numerous and overly aggressive posts about this product that makes my NY Being a bit suspicious.
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07-20-2020, 11:19 PM
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I was speaking to my Mechanic today about this product and he reacted negative to using such products. Like Seal sealers. Yes he said the products who ever makes them will react with the rubber seals and make them soft again. Great. BUT the reaction does not stop and continues to destroy the seals going forward. So live with a leaks and stains until you can't stand it anymore and you smell the oil but keep this crap out of your vehicle. Or use it when you want to sell the vehicle. His words. I believe him. If I can afford a Sl500 I am not going to gum up the works with mystery crap. And one thing Tommyboy you seem numerous and overly aggressive posts about this product that makes my NY Being a bit suspicious.
07-21-2020, 07:29 AM
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I was speaking to my Mechanic today about this product and he reacted negative to using such products. Like Seal sealers. Yes he said the products who ever makes them will react with the rubber seals and make them soft again. Great. BUT the reaction does not stop and continues to destroy the seals going forward. So live with a leaks and stains until you can't stand it anymore and you smell the oil but keep this crap out of your vehicle. Or use it when you want to sell the vehicle. His words. I believe him. If I can afford a Sl500 I am not going to gum up the works with mystery crap. And one thing Tommyboy you seem numerous and overly aggressive posts about this product that makes my NY Being a bit suspicious.
if what your mecanic say is correct, the ABC on my old car from 2004, liqseal treated for leak in year 2010 ,would have gone bad now?? this car was retreated with same stuff in 2017 because started sweat.oil, and now is 2020 and still going strong with no issue with ABC, Also pretty shure that this saved pump from go bad also. so my treatment added around April/may 2010 lasted around 7 years. But what supriced me is that it worked again .
then test 2 , on my 2007 that i use now, not filled oil in 20 months, 10 000 km around . Note is use 10 - 40 oil, that also help for olil use. But my 2004 that was also teflon treated engine in 2008 , oil use went down 4 times , in beginning message came up fill 1,5 liter ,wtf i was thinking. so treated it, and not filled any oil long time after this. . call to this people, the father of this company was the inventer of QMI ,that was later sold and use Full Trottle brand . here is link , you can see many special product for teflon treatment https://www.solidstart.com/products/engine/t132/
i also have 2009 Sl63 AMG IWC special edition, this one very low km 37 000 , and had noice from valve system, knocking sound, added 1 liter/ Q QMI teflon engine treatment ,and noice gone in 1 min , just as i expected , went for 180 km drive , day after cold start in 3 deegree c, and no sound from engine , se people spend alot money on this engines M156 to get rid of this knocking..
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07-21-2020, 07:33 AM
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I Hear mix reviews about this as well, that's why i've never used it before, but people in this thread are saying good things that's why i wanted to give it a try. Going back to when you said it'll keep reacting, my plan was to pour a bottle in there, drive for a couple hundred miles then change the oil. Would that be enough to freshen the seal and get the additives out preventing them from over swelling?
07-21-2020, 09:03 AM
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I understand the skepticism since most of the time, a fix-in-a-bottle product is indeed BS. Any conservative mechanic will err on the side of caution, so no surprise there.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
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07-21-2020, 12:20 PM
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I understand the skepticism since most of the time, a fix-in-a-bottle product is indeed BS. Any conservative mechanic will err on the side of caution, so no surprise there.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
Got plenty messages privat, back on Facebook that ABC system work better and more level.for people., leaking roof sylinders , not heard anything yet from anyone.. think people not advertise they buy and add))
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I understand the skepticism since most of the time, a fix-in-a-bottle product is indeed BS. Any conservative mechanic will err on the side of caution, so no surprise there.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
That said, would I add this product to a healthy system? No (or best case, not yet).
However, to address a minor PS pump leak where the alternative is to replace the pump anyway, what is there to lose?
If it works "as advertised" then I can test further (& report back) in a few other applications.
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This morning happed the following . , my frend had bought earlier a Sl600 from 2005 with 80 000 km/ miles aprox 50 000 , car got fault code low pressure in ABC system , every time passed bigger speed bumps when test drive it , ABC ligh came on 3 to 4 second.after every bump in step 1 ABC .
So he added one bottle this morning QMI LIQSEAL to ABC tank, went for the drive passed 6 bigger speed bumps and ABC light came on 3 to 4 second after each bump , continue aprox 16 miles drive to to trafic station for register car, car was not feeling good thru turns, on active drive, then stayed 1,5 hour to fix papers in this place . On way back ,same distance ,tings started to happend. car felt like new car in turns and hard activ driviing. So on step 1 as before over the same 6 speed bumps that he passed ealier this morning , 0 ABC lights came up . So the stuff react so fast when get heated up, is amazing . was shure needed some days , but is very short time. , he was worried costly rebuild actuators .
Note, this car dont have external leaks ,or sweating just feel loose and bad on road til this afternoon. next is get one more bottle he say, for the sweating valve covers and same time rebuild the valveseals. before this guy had 2007 sl55 with 100 000 km. that had leak driver side back, fixed same way.
So he added one bottle this morning QMI LIQSEAL to ABC tank, went for the drive passed 6 bigger speed bumps and ABC light came on 3 to 4 second after each bump , continue aprox 16 miles drive to to trafic station for register car, car was not feeling good thru turns, on active drive, then stayed 1,5 hour to fix papers in this place . On way back ,same distance ,tings started to happend. car felt like new car in turns and hard activ driviing. So on step 1 as before over the same 6 speed bumps that he passed ealier this morning , 0 ABC lights came up . So the stuff react so fast when get heated up, is amazing . was shure needed some days , but is very short time. , he was worried costly rebuild actuators .
Note, this car dont have external leaks ,or sweating just feel loose and bad on road til this afternoon. next is get one more bottle he say, for the sweating valve covers and same time rebuild the valveseals. before this guy had 2007 sl55 with 100 000 km. that had leak driver side back, fixed same way.
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08-23-2020, 01:29 PM
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I got 4 bottles of Full Throttle multi system sealer. 4oz bottles How much do I add for engine, roof, ABC, steering? 2007 sl65 and 2009 sl550
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good luck ,and let us hear how it feels after some days, And the oil use for longer run.
08-28-2020, 07:57 PM
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The W220 hasn't been driven much lately (currently taking advantage of driving top-down every chance I get) and I started noticing the front driver's side corner sagging after sitting for 2 weeks.
No error messages (knock on wood) or decrease in the fluid level (also knock on wood lol) and there is info out there suggesting this is normal, which I don't exactly believe.
Anyway, added the treatment and no more sagging. How about that!
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08-29-2020, 07:17 AM
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I have yet to add it to my R230's PS system but I ended up treating the ABC system on my W220 with it.
The W220 hasn't been driven much lately (currently taking advantage of driving top-down every chance I get) and I started noticing the front driver's side corner sagging after sitting for 2 weeks.
No error messages (knock on wood) or decrease in the fluid level (also knock on wood lol) and there is info out there suggesting this is normal, which I don't exactly believe.
Anyway, added the treatment and no more sagging. How about that!
The W220 hasn't been driven much lately (currently taking advantage of driving top-down every chance I get) and I started noticing the front driver's side corner sagging after sitting for 2 weeks.
No error messages (knock on wood) or decrease in the fluid level (also knock on wood lol) and there is info out there suggesting this is normal, which I don't exactly believe.
Anyway, added the treatment and no more sagging. How about that!
Your 2009 sl63 , i think to early to do treatment on it , if not leaking, or have alot miles and feel bad on the road . . But what is good if want keep system optimal for the SL 63 would be teflon hydraulic treatment, keep the pump safe, and slightly swell seals tiny bit.Plus keep rubber inside hoses good.
this is gold stuff for keep gearbox smoth and reduce heat. https://www.solidstart.com/products/transmission/t4088/
i use this for engine, protect valvesystem and now on the 63 ,not used any oil in over 3000 km , i dont know how mutch this sl63 M156 should use on regular basis, anybody know ?
https://www.solidstart.com/products/engine/t132/
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I have never been believing wonder stuff that fix all problems, but this actually prevent,and fix stuff. Read the story, is for helping you guys, i dont have money interest in this issues.
i had more SL cars than any of you guys, own now a 2007 Sl55 AMG , and a 2009 SL63 AMG IWC special edition and have the fix for the ABC issues, leaks and preventive solution, also protecting the pump with better lubrication ., both mine , do not have leak, so they treated with QMI hydraulic treatment that expand seals 1 percent only as preventive protection..
However i can guarantee you that owners of 2002 and 2006 should add leak stopper QMI that expand the seals 3%. Because if your system is not leaking now ,it is not long before that it will start to leak. . if have rebuild valve blocks, normal QMI teflon hydraulic treatment should be ok, if no leaks.
Also should treat the power steering pump. This makes seals nice and tight and lubricate the pump. In case of the leak there then need leak stopper.
also how to get the engine oil use down and expand the seals for valves and crank.
THIS do not fix worn out pump ,or cracked hoses.
i discovered this wounder stuff in around 1996 i think . and we did some cleaning of old marine engines that was smoking alot, we added a clean solution that washed engine inside clean, and after oil and filter change ,added teflon treatment for engine. after that i cleaned my diesel Chevy 6,5 liter that was smoking blue on start up and black. with amazing result, all smoke was gone forever, i had car 4 years .
sins that i started Teflon treatment on every SL car, my first was 89 sl500, engine ,gearbox, diff, powersteering, plus bottle for slowly clean intake for a hour. this car had topspeed of around 275 kmh. Sinse then i have total of 7 SL cars.
i had problem back in 2009 with leaking in both front shocks, on a 2004 model SL55AMG , 1 q or 1 liter oil was gone, Red ABC light and jumped around like rodeo horse. stopped and had a look on shocks, and oil had been flowing down both sides for long time . Added 100 ml QMI Leakage Stopper from QMI oil USA in April 2010 , i bought from Norway dealer qmi.no , and added the missing oil ,til level. ok , shocks and system was tight in maybe 3 days , and was holding its oil for next 7 years, before started sweat again, New owner added new bottle, and its sealed up again. Not changed anything exept fluid 2017 , stock pump from 2004 and all the rest is there . i talked to him short time ago .
Plus we done many other SL including my 2007 prevantive maintance QMI hydraulic treatment to slightly expand the seals and keep the rubber fresh . Problem with cars that is 15 to 18 years old ,is that the rubber dry out, QMI leak stopper and hydraulic treatment ,stop this from happening / swell the rubber so its like fresh again. Fantastic cheap and easy fix . I used this stuff for over 20 years. Same goes for engine seals , and valve seals. the 2004 went oil use down 4 times on sl55 , on my 2007 SL55 AMG ,i have not filled any oil in 14 months , and has 8000 km sinse last oil change.. Cant beat that guys. On top of that i use Royal purple race oil 10 40.
where to buy this stuff for engine and ABC for USA under . Norway ,Sweden, Denmark you can order from www.qmi.no rest europe contact me now.
For USA , seems easiest sign up on this web page and order . https://gokwikparts.com/shop/5d54169...a-b40af54da4cd
For Europe guys that has problem order , i will get some boxes now from a dealer, and can provide this whats needed. Prices in Europe is mutch higher than US
https://www.solidstart.com/product-category/engine/ this is good one, leakstopper and teflon engine treatment in one place. This is the ones that inveted the this stuff. QMI company was sold , the daughter run QMI stuff under another name,. Solidstart.
https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com/contact-us/
her can read about all in English https://qmiproducts.com/en/products/
i had more SL cars than any of you guys, own now a 2007 Sl55 AMG , and a 2009 SL63 AMG IWC special edition and have the fix for the ABC issues, leaks and preventive solution, also protecting the pump with better lubrication ., both mine , do not have leak, so they treated with QMI hydraulic treatment that expand seals 1 percent only as preventive protection..
However i can guarantee you that owners of 2002 and 2006 should add leak stopper QMI that expand the seals 3%. Because if your system is not leaking now ,it is not long before that it will start to leak. . if have rebuild valve blocks, normal QMI teflon hydraulic treatment should be ok, if no leaks.
Also should treat the power steering pump. This makes seals nice and tight and lubricate the pump. In case of the leak there then need leak stopper.
also how to get the engine oil use down and expand the seals for valves and crank.
THIS do not fix worn out pump ,or cracked hoses.
i discovered this wounder stuff in around 1996 i think . and we did some cleaning of old marine engines that was smoking alot, we added a clean solution that washed engine inside clean, and after oil and filter change ,added teflon treatment for engine. after that i cleaned my diesel Chevy 6,5 liter that was smoking blue on start up and black. with amazing result, all smoke was gone forever, i had car 4 years .
sins that i started Teflon treatment on every SL car, my first was 89 sl500, engine ,gearbox, diff, powersteering, plus bottle for slowly clean intake for a hour. this car had topspeed of around 275 kmh. Sinse then i have total of 7 SL cars.
i had problem back in 2009 with leaking in both front shocks, on a 2004 model SL55AMG , 1 q or 1 liter oil was gone, Red ABC light and jumped around like rodeo horse. stopped and had a look on shocks, and oil had been flowing down both sides for long time . Added 100 ml QMI Leakage Stopper from QMI oil USA in April 2010 , i bought from Norway dealer qmi.no , and added the missing oil ,til level. ok , shocks and system was tight in maybe 3 days , and was holding its oil for next 7 years, before started sweat again, New owner added new bottle, and its sealed up again. Not changed anything exept fluid 2017 , stock pump from 2004 and all the rest is there . i talked to him short time ago .
Plus we done many other SL including my 2007 prevantive maintance QMI hydraulic treatment to slightly expand the seals and keep the rubber fresh . Problem with cars that is 15 to 18 years old ,is that the rubber dry out, QMI leak stopper and hydraulic treatment ,stop this from happening / swell the rubber so its like fresh again. Fantastic cheap and easy fix . I used this stuff for over 20 years. Same goes for engine seals , and valve seals. the 2004 went oil use down 4 times on sl55 , on my 2007 SL55 AMG ,i have not filled any oil in 14 months , and has 8000 km sinse last oil change.. Cant beat that guys. On top of that i use Royal purple race oil 10 40.
where to buy this stuff for engine and ABC for USA under . Norway ,Sweden, Denmark you can order from www.qmi.no rest europe contact me now.
For USA , seems easiest sign up on this web page and order . https://gokwikparts.com/shop/5d54169...a-b40af54da4cd
For Europe guys that has problem order , i will get some boxes now from a dealer, and can provide this whats needed. Prices in Europe is mutch higher than US
https://www.solidstart.com/product-category/engine/ this is good one, leakstopper and teflon engine treatment in one place. This is the ones that inveted the this stuff. QMI company was sold , the daughter run QMI stuff under another name,. Solidstart.
https://www.fullthrottleproducts.com/contact-us/
her can read about all in English https://qmiproducts.com/en/products/
09-04-2020, 01:17 AM
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I took Tommy’s advice and purchased some of this stuff. Since using it in my ABC I get the suspension lifting quicker and evenly, before it would go up slowly with 2 corners lifting slower than the others. It did take a while to run the bottle through the system but it does work. And my car has been left on first stage raised and hasn’t sagged in nearly a fortnight. I also had the issue where the car would raise on its own when idling, now she sits flat at whatever setting I have it at.
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10-22-2020, 12:41 PM
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Over 12 000 people read about this easy fix ABC, and stop leaks engine rear main seal ,valvecovers and gearboxes. so how many was helped? Whats your experience ? Guess many would do it in silence)) But had " frends" that did it?
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10-22-2020, 01:23 PM
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I have yet to add it to my R230's PS system but I ended up treating the ABC system on my W220 with it.
The W220 hasn't been driven much lately (currently taking advantage of driving top-down every chance I get) and I started noticing the front driver's side corner sagging after sitting for 2 weeks.
No error messages (knock on wood) or decrease in the fluid level (also knock on wood lol) and there is info out there suggesting this is normal, which I don't exactly believe.
Anyway, added the treatment and no more sagging. How about that!
The W220 hasn't been driven much lately (currently taking advantage of driving top-down every chance I get) and I started noticing the front driver's side corner sagging after sitting for 2 weeks.
No error messages (knock on wood) or decrease in the fluid level (also knock on wood lol) and there is info out there suggesting this is normal, which I don't exactly believe.
Anyway, added the treatment and no more sagging. How about that!
I took Tommy’s advice and purchased some of this stuff. Since using it in my ABC I get the suspension lifting quicker and evenly, before it would go up slowly with 2 corners lifting slower than the others. It did take a while to run the bottle through the system but it does work. And my car has been left on first stage raised and hasn’t sagged in nearly a fortnight. I also had the issue where the car would raise on its own when idling, now she sits flat at whatever setting I have it at.
I have sag after 1-2 weeks and during idle I do notice my car raises up..
Anyone else try this?
