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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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STS TURBO FOR W210 E55???

Just started reading about STS and I'm obviosly very interested in them but I can't seem to find out whether or not I can get a set up for mine or even a twin set up. Anybody know about them enough to say if they do and how safe they are for our engines?
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Old May 20, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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I'm wondering about the dual versus single setup as well. Max Hughes, care to comment? I know he did an install before.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 03:00 AM
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Dutches E55 exhuast is for a T70 turbo with a, now, .81 A/R turbine housing. The most efficient and quickest turbo you all could use for a SINGLE setup is a Garrett 60-1 T04E with a .81 housing. The best twin setup would be two .50/.36 turbo's, consequently thats what the C5 vette uses for 511rwhp at 6psi, un-intercooled

A Garrett 60-1 T04E with the .81 housing is 850-1200
Two .50/.36 turbos from SPA are 1300

If you feel like spending Kleeman money on the subject you could get ball bearing turbo's that would give supercharger response. Although the two listed will most def. brake boost at 0mph.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 09:08 AM
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there's been previous posts about it but check this one out

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...o-kits-3k.html
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:00 PM
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I can't find anything recent on this matter and that worrries me. I'm getting the feeling that it's beem dropped due to final output being low after install or high "kleemann" pricing.

I did however talk to a guy at mercedes who told me that putting a turbo on a W210 is a horrible idea because of the risks involved(engine blowing).

The guy at mercedes suggested I do this:
1- beefy cam
2- Kleemann ECU tune
3- Headers
4- Complete exhaust job
5- I think he said something about a pulley???
He said I could get up to about 490-500hp going this route!

Can anyone say if these turbos are safe for our cars?
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Old May 21, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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Its absolutely no different than putting a Kleeman S/C on. Boost is boost, no other way around it. As long as you have the appropriate turbo on their it will always be more powerful than the S/C equivalent. If E55's had manual transmissions or auto tranny launch control you would see more turbo variants other than the occasional Kleeman build for some rich dude.

Theres a kitted out NA E55 on youtube, claiming 400 whp with everything you said except cams and the pulley.
Rev, burnout, launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQSp...eature=channel
Racing a 420hp RS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSlq...eature=channel

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Old May 21, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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With all that I've listed up there would you say I could reach 500 horsepower(w/o a turbo)?

And what kind of numbers would I be getting if I did put a turbo or bi-turbo on my car?
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Old May 21, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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should of considered peter's kleemann setup, but I think he gave the car away already.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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S/C & Turbos are too much stress + time + LOTS of money. Your engine with start to wear/and or blow MUCH faster, amongst other things.

Are you racing your W210 @ the track? If not, then why waste the money? Go with that list you have. Should have enough power for these streets and some track.

That's what i'ma do.

Headers, Tune, Pulley, Throttle body, Magna flow exhaust, etc. I'll be happy with high 400's.
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Old May 21, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MR888
should of considered peter's kleemann setup, but I think he gave the car away already.
What kind of setup was he running?
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Old May 21, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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It's too late...

Originally Posted by CONDEMNED
What kind of setup was he running?
...he already gave his S/C E55 to his 16 year old niece!

Heres the link: https://mbworld.org/forums/w210-amg/...-kleemann.html

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Old May 22, 2009 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeRod80
S/C & Turbos are too much stress + time + LOTS of money. Your engine with start to wear/and or blow MUCH faster, amongst other things.

Are you racing your W210 @ the track? If not, then why waste the money? Go with that list you have. Should have enough power for these streets and some track.

That's what i'ma do.

Headers, Tune, Pulley, Throttle body, Magna flow exhaust, etc. I'll be happy with high 400's.
not racing her on the track yet but I'm totally leaning towards that list of mods that I was given by my source at MB. Fact is, I have not run into a car that I can't beat ... so far. But I want to represent our W210's as they should be.
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Old May 25, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CONDEMNED
not racing her on the track yet but I'm totally leaning towards that list of mods that I was given by my source at MB. Fact is, I have not run into a car that I can't beat ... so far. But I want to represent our W210's as they should be.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 12:33 AM
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I finally took the plunge and turbocharged my E55

she has a tendency to go faster now too...


Garret GT4294R dual ball bearing... and even at a "mere" 4psi it's putting down approximately 80+ HP and 100+TQ SAE corrected at the wheels. Obviously it is a work in progress but very healthy so far.



doesn't seem to want to post links to photos or albums...PM if interested

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Old May 26, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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ok, don't leave us hanging and post more info!!
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Old May 26, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nicobaires
!!!!
ok, don't leave us hanging and post more info!!
Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Need more info!!!
I keep trying to post photos but it wouldn't let me....

I created an album though here on MBWorld that has some of the development photos.

Any help with the tech side of posting photos or even a simple website of the build that showed it all.. I have over 150 pics and many dyno run vids .....but they are huge and show the run but not the screen of the output clearly..

I can say that at a mere 4 psi, she produces over 380+hp and 400+Tq.

Those numbers are all from the same Dynojet dyno using SAE correction.

baseline runs were healthy. I only have 19k miles on the car total so far as she is not daily driven.


If people are interested, PM me and help me figure out how to share this project online. Otherwise.....until I see you.

Looking forward to Drag night at Infineon Raceway as well as many trackdays.

Brakes: The new 6 Piston Silver caliper fronts and 4 calliper rears are here....
can't wait to get those on underneath the HRE's..19x8.5 amd 19x10 currently...

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Once this is complete, will STS sell a kit for our cars or are you doing this independently from them?
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You can add albums/vids on photobucket.com and then link them here.

I am more interested in what was involved to make it work. Did you just slap on a turbo kit and run low boost? How did you address fueling/tuning? What size turbo? Pricing? Etc etc
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Originally Posted by nicobaires
Once this is complete, will STS sell a kit for our cars or are you doing this independently from them?
a kit is planned from this setup but I am still in what I would call a "prototype" stage... more details once I get some time... I have a newborn son, and numerous other commitments that must come first...


Originally Posted by blackbenzz
You can add albums/vids on photobucket.com and then link them here.

I am more interested in what was involved to make it work. Did you just slap on a turbo kit and run low boost? How did you address fueling/tuning? What size turbo? Pricing? Etc etc
Once we get past the prototype, more details will be released... and to answer your question, countless man hours have been spent working with map tables in order to get a fuel and timing addressed... I have it running and hope to track it soon and provide more details....

Like you sir, I prefer to DO IT rather than talk about it...
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Old May 26, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Congrats on your newborn!
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Congrats on your newborn!
thanks so much.

And here is a link to my photobucket album

Hopefully that will help others view some of the hard work that has gone into turbocharging the E55

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Originally Posted by LeeRod80

That's what i'ma do.

Headers, Tune, Pulley, Throttle body, Magna flow exhaust, etc. I'll be happy with high 400's.
Your not getting high 400's without PSI my friend.

Can't wait to see more of this STS car. I've read so much up and down about the STS system. It will be great to see what it dose on these cars.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Your not getting high 400's without PSI my friend.

Can't wait to see more of this STS car. I've read so much up and down about the STS system. It will be great to see what it dose on these cars.
I meant low 400's, I tried to edit my post. Oh well...
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Originally Posted by LeeRod80
I meant low 400's, I tried to edit my post. Oh well...
no worries.. I agree. I just love the potential of these motors. I'm very low 400's btw.. all that and 2mpg better fuel economy ...unless I get seduced by the pedal...

We shall see how the new Quaife TLS fairs at getting both of the Michelin's to hook up and launch properly..... and the sound is.....mmmmm.....very seductive since it is essentially an open pipe system with a single hi flow race cat and the exhaust turbine between headers and exhaust tip.
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