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Old 01-13-2006, 02:11 AM
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Header and Exhaust install pix

Forgive me for not posting videos as promised, weather has not been the best of late. For the meantime, here are some pictures I thought I would share from the install.

















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Awesome, but could you please post larger pictures.
I would love to see the detail.
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You can also click on each picture to see the larger version
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AMG BLISS Thx for sharing the pictures of the install!!
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You can also click on each picture to see the larger version

Thank-you.
Thats much easier for my old eyes.

How long did it take? Aside from removing the exhaust what else had to be removed?

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Looks great! Can't wait to see what it does on the dyno. Those headers look like they will make some nice power.
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What headers are those again?

They're purrrrdy.

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What headers are those again?

They're purrrrdy.
If I am not mistaken that is the complete Supersprint Header & exhaust combo. To the tune of $12,000..
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Originally Posted by OzE55
How long did it take? Aside from removing the exhaust what else had to be removed?
It took about 8 hours for removal and install. Everything went, from the headers back to the exhaust tips. Two of the four O2 sensors needed to be extended because of the location of the cats. That was my biggest concern fearing a CEL from extending wires. But no CEL as now, or ever.


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Looks great! Can't wait to see what it does on the dyno. Those headers look like they will make some nice power.
I did put it on the dyno and got a 45rwhp increase. The lines of the dyno looked squiggly so this tells me I need to have my ECU re-done or spark plugs and wires or both. This happened before the install. I was told after my ECU was re-mapped along with the pulleys that it would take a few hundred miles to adapt but even after two thousand miles lines still came out bad.


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What headers are those again?

They're purrrrdy.
Yes, Victor is right they are Supersprint. I wish I had the know-how and patience VRUS and others have to pioneer the way to mod these cars. For know, I will leave it to the respected tuners for the R&D and see whats best for my set-up. I am eagerly awaiting the new talked about TB that Victor is waiting for to compliment these headers along with a cooling package and some drag radials.
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wow looks very nice. Question how does it sound? Could you take pics of the stock exhaust manifold?

I am really amazed though at the price. At that price it is getting close to a Lambo exhaust header, maybe more!!!!! Someone could develope a jig and produce these at 1/4 the price and still make decent money.
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$12k... OUCH... now that's going to be a hard sale to the wife... but hey... I'm in sales... so I can do it! How is the sound?
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Originally Posted by AMG BLISS
I did put it on the dyno and got a 45rwhp increase. The lines of the dyno looked squiggly so this tells me I need to have my ECU re-done or spark plugs and wires or both. This happened before the install. I was told after my ECU was re-mapped along with the pulleys that it would take a few hundred miles to adapt but even after two thousand miles lines still came out bad.
Could you post the pre-install / post-install dyno plots? These headers are a Tri-Y design (4-into-2-into-1) instead of 4-into-1. It would be interesting to see what part of the torque curve is affected the most. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Could you post the pre-install / post-install dyno plots? These headers are a Tri-Y design (4-into-2-into-1) instead of 4-into-1. It would be interesting to see what part of the torque curve is affected the most. Thanks.
Ditto that!!!

Is that 45rwhp increase with ECU & pullies already on the car? Or was it 45rwhp increase on a STOCK car?? Big difference between the 2 scenarios.

Would love to see those before/after dynos. That is a sweet combo..
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12g's for 45rwhp

Considering the existing high hp of a stock rig 12'gs is not all that bad in trade for 45rwhp.
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Hey, smack dab in the middle....the little bumps are small cats right? (Bout a foot or 2 left from his left hand)

Just wondering as you need at least one cat to pass emissions in ole Utah?

Really really nice!!

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VRUS comment

Did not see VRUS comment, I agree with him huge difference, I was thinking the guy was referring to only the exhaust upgrade and 12 for that is not all that bad a cost.
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VRUS comment

Did not see VRUS comment, I agree with him huge difference, I was thinking the guy was referring to only the exhaust upgrade and 12 for that is not all that bad a cost in trade for 45rwhp.
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Originally Posted by Hardrivr
$12k... OUCH... now that's going to be a hard sale to the wife... but hey... I'm in sales... so I can do it! How is the sound?
It goes like this: "darling, this will be a great investment....." or, and this she will like better, if she is a shopoholic : " darling, normal price was $20,000, but it was on sale and I got it for just $12,000! Look how much money I've saved US!"
Just don't ask: "does my butt look fat in it?" after you've spent all that money!

Good luck!
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I was thinking more in the lines of WELL, THIS CAR IS JUST TOO QUIET... SOMEONE IS BOUND TO SWAY OVER INTO MY LINE... I NEED IT SOUND LIKE LIKE OUR ROADKING... YOU KNOW LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES... well at least I will try something like that...

As far as 12K being cheap for 45hp... I'm new to this game, remember I came from Cobras and Saleens... where 45hp was something like $500 to $1000, diffently not $12k... heck 120hp was only $5k with a Vortech supercharger... not completely complaining, but it's going to be a long cold winter in the spare room if I drop $12k on the beast right now...
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Originally Posted by Mad TKD
wow looks very nice. Question how does it sound? Could you take pics of the stock exhaust manifold?

I am really amazed though at the price. At that price it is getting close to a Lambo exhaust header, maybe more!!!!! Someone could develope a jig and produce these at 1/4 the price and still make decent money.
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$12k... OUCH... now that's going to be a hard sale to the wife... but hey... I'm in sales... so I can do it! How is the sound?

Mad TKD and Hardrivr,

To me the sound is second to none! (Please don't flame me, that is my humble opinion after spending 12k) Here is a sound-clip from a previous thread in case you missed it.

http://media.putfile.com/supersprint-2

As far as pictures of the stock manifold, unfortunately I do not have one. But if I remember correctly, Evo Sport has a picture of one next to the header they sell for the E55.

I too had the WTF 12k-thing going through my mind, but what put me at ease was remembering that I've purchased computer software for over 5K, and it comes to me on a $1.00 C/D. So needless to say I am a believer in you get what you pay for, and I am definitely a pay as you go type of person.

The price is pretty competitive compared to the headers and full exhaust that Kleemann sells. I did consider Kleemann and for reasons previously stated, I chose not to go with them. I was also told that there are many pieces involved, met cats, etc. and for me not to just consider it as welding pipes together. Apparently there was a lot involved, R&D design, tooling production, etc.

For those that are interested here is the link to Supersprint:

http://www.supersprintna.com/categor...ategory_id/139
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Could you post the pre-install / post-install dyno plots? These headers are a Tri-Y design (4-into-2-into-1) instead of 4-into-1. It would be interesting to see what part of the torque curve is affected the most. Thanks.
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Ditto that!!!

Is that 45rwhp increase with ECU & pullies already on the car? Or was it 45rwhp increase on a STOCK car?? Big difference between the 2 scenarios.

Would love to see those before/after dynos. That is a sweet combo..
I will post the dyno plots asap. Victor the increase was after ECU and pulleys.
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Originally Posted by AMGE
Considering the existing high hp of a stock rig 12'gs is not all that bad in trade for 45rwhp.

Thanks. Sometimes what you are told and what the actual rwhp gains are two different things, not in this case. I was told to expect around 50hp at the crank. In Supersprints two test cars a SL55 and an E55 they each got an additional 50hp at the crank.
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey, smack dab in the middle....the little bumps are small cats right? (Bout a foot or 2 left from his left hand)

Just wondering as you need at least one cat to pass emissions in ole Utah?

Really really nice!!

Yes Sir. That's correct, the two small bumps to the left of his hand are the cats.
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Originally Posted by Rafal
It goes like this: "darling, this will be a great investment....." or, and this she will like better, if she is a shopoholic : " darling, normal price was $20,000, but it was on sale and I got it for just $12,000! Look how much money I've saved US!"
Just don't ask: "does my butt look fat in it?" after you've spent all that money!

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Hardrivr
I was thinking more in the lines of WELL, THIS CAR IS JUST TOO QUIET... SOMEONE IS BOUND TO SWAY OVER INTO MY LINE... I NEED IT SOUND LIKE LIKE OUR ROADKING... YOU KNOW LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES... well at least I will try something like that...

As far as 12K being cheap for 45hp... I'm new to this game, remember I came from Cobras and Saleens... where 45hp was something like $500 to $1000, diffently not $12k... heck 120hp was only $5k with a Vortech supercharger... not completely complaining, but it's going to be a long cold winter in the spare room if I drop $12k on the beast right now...
Or do what I do... don't tell her. :v :v :v
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well, maybe I can sell you some INSURANCE now... you're car just went up $12k... need to put an endorsement on that policy! and I'm your man!!!!!!

Well, we have friends up North so maybe we'll hook up then... it sure looks and sounds cool... look me up for insurance though!


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