I don't like my car anymore
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I don't like my car anymore
I just got my car back from having the recent recalls done (2004 stock E55 with no mods); I don't really know where to start...
This car used to put a smile on my face, but now I'm just getting really disappointed.
This thing is a dog!!! I can't even break traction in first gear... WTF...
I complained to the dealer that power was down after a couple of runs on the freeway and I got the normal "unable to duplicate customer complaint, car within spec." response. I had to open the hood to make sure I still had an AMG engine in there. I guess I have to take a day off from work and hang out at the dealership while they troubleshoot this issue. I'm thinking weak or dead IC pump, or perhaps the new ECU software that was installed.
Has anyone else experienced a significant powerloss after the recalls on a non-modified E55?
Any input would be much appreciated.
-Mattias
This car used to put a smile on my face, but now I'm just getting really disappointed.
This thing is a dog!!! I can't even break traction in first gear... WTF...
I complained to the dealer that power was down after a couple of runs on the freeway and I got the normal "unable to duplicate customer complaint, car within spec." response. I had to open the hood to make sure I still had an AMG engine in there. I guess I have to take a day off from work and hang out at the dealership while they troubleshoot this issue. I'm thinking weak or dead IC pump, or perhaps the new ECU software that was installed.
Has anyone else experienced a significant powerloss after the recalls on a non-modified E55?
Any input would be much appreciated.
-Mattias
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Originally Posted by jangy
Is this some master plot by MB to force us to go to the NA engines?
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Raise Hell!!!
I have a 2003 E55 and have experienced the same power loss as you, and so have many others. I am raising hell with two MB dealers near me and I would advise others to do the same. I have been given the "my hands are tied speech", but if enough of us complain loudly maybe MB will try to placate us. These cars are our property. MB has no right to detune their performance without notifying us that the changes they are making will do so. They cannot claim it would jepardize our warranty since the warranty was issued with the car with the software that was in place at the time of purchase. In fact, I am requesting that the original software that came with my car be reinstalled if that is at all possible. (Unfortunately, I had a new ECU installed and it my not be possible to install old software.)
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I asked the question(recall update on stock cars do or don't? Why?)in Ted's thread on this issue. With not one response from other members. I can only assume that they really don't know the answer. It also seems to be a lot of contradiction among members saying after recall ECU flash the car is either scary fast, no change or slow. Until someone actually puts the car on the dyno before and after the flash with similar conditions all we can do is speculate.
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That's crazy, I had an appointment to bring in my car TODAY and i just cancelled it...I already thought my car was slower than a couple months ago, and I don't want to make it even slower! HELP! is this for real????
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Originally Posted by mstenberg
That's what I was thinking.
Any reasonably priced around the south bay?
-M
Any reasonably priced around the south bay?
-M
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Confused by this whole thing. Maybe I am in the minority, but my car felt quicker after the updates.
And I don't doubt that Kleeman and Renntech will find a way to program these ECU's soon.
And I don't doubt that Kleeman and Renntech will find a way to program these ECU's soon.
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Originally Posted by enzom
And I don't doubt that Kleeman and Renntech will find a way to program these ECU's soon.
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I'm apprehensive about going to the dealer for anything, and I damn sure don't want them messing with my ECU. I take a look at the "Service Campaign" letter received back in April every so often, then I see more & more horror stories here in the forums. I hide the letter in the back of the drawer and try to forget about it hoping it will go away. Someday it may serve as toilet paper if my car loses performance like others have said here.
It makes me sick knowing that I will eventaully have to get some sort of service at the dealer and they will F my car up.
It makes me sick knowing that I will eventaully have to get some sort of service at the dealer and they will F my car up.
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Originally Posted by mstenberg
I just got my car back from having the recent recalls done (2004 stock E55 with no mods); I don't really know where to start...
This car used to put a smile on my face, but now I'm just getting really disappointed.
This thing is a dog!!! I can't even break traction in first gear... WTF...
I complained to the dealer that power was down after a couple of runs on the freeway and I got the normal "unable to duplicate customer complaint, car within spec." response. I had to open the hood to make sure I still had an AMG engine in there. I guess I have to take a day off from work and hang out at the dealership while they troubleshoot this issue. I'm thinking weak or dead IC pump, or perhaps the new ECU software that was installed.
Has anyone else experienced a significant powerloss after the recalls on a non-modified E55?
Any input would be much appreciated.
-Mattias
This car used to put a smile on my face, but now I'm just getting really disappointed.
This thing is a dog!!! I can't even break traction in first gear... WTF...
I complained to the dealer that power was down after a couple of runs on the freeway and I got the normal "unable to duplicate customer complaint, car within spec." response. I had to open the hood to make sure I still had an AMG engine in there. I guess I have to take a day off from work and hang out at the dealership while they troubleshoot this issue. I'm thinking weak or dead IC pump, or perhaps the new ECU software that was installed.
Has anyone else experienced a significant powerloss after the recalls on a non-modified E55?
Any input would be much appreciated.
-Mattias
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Ok, that's it!
I can't take this abuse any longer. Thanks to the guidance of aintME I'm going in for a dyno baseline test this coming Friday morning. This should tell me if it's me or the car that's going nuts.
-Mattias
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Originally Posted by enzom
Confused by this whole thing. Maybe I am in the minority, but my car felt quicker after the updates.
And I don't doubt that Kleeman and Renntech will find a way to program these ECU's soon.
And I don't doubt that Kleeman and Renntech will find a way to program these ECU's soon.
i had my C32 ECU update and I have a stronger pull on the high RPM...
somehow my head rest don't come up or down anymore.
The car idles much smoother too...
I did get the 2nd air pump replaced as per the recall..
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maybe you have a power addiction and you can really compared how much you actually have?
after I drove a C280 for 3 days last week, I quickly reliazed that the C32 is pretty quick. I do wish it had the low end torque of a v8, but the push on top is pretty sweet.
I plan to upgrade to the e55 within months and find very disappointing to have the same issues I have with my C32 (inconsistent power, heat loss, komp shut off,)
I'm beggining to understand why kompressors becoming history for AMG.
after I drove a C280 for 3 days last week, I quickly reliazed that the C32 is pretty quick. I do wish it had the low end torque of a v8, but the push on top is pretty sweet.
I plan to upgrade to the e55 within months and find very disappointing to have the same issues I have with my C32 (inconsistent power, heat loss, komp shut off,)
I'm beggining to understand why kompressors becoming history for AMG.
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A lot of you seem like yall are talking about subjective power losses (excluding serious electronic problems).
I second the 'get a dyno done first' notion. At least that way you'll have something number wise to work on and show to the dealer.
I second the 'get a dyno done first' notion. At least that way you'll have something number wise to work on and show to the dealer.
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................I did dyno the car after the recall and lost 11RWP and 40LBft of rear wheel torque. This has been posted already.
Here is the specific quote.
.............Here is the thread.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/151958-any-post-mb-ecu-flash-dynos-cars-w-mods.html
.............as to whther or not you should do the recall: There is no reason for mercedes to be reflashing the Ecu in the first place in order to fix the secondary air injection pump. I don't think the recall work is neccessary. I think it is a hoax. Knowing what I know now I will not do it. Perod!
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Here is the specific quote.
I did the recall ECU flash and I felt that my car was faster after the ECU re-flash by the dealer. I dynoed it today...........I was wrong! Car was 491HP and 527Lbft of torque before. Now car is 479HP and 489Lbft of torque. A/f ratio is starts out ok at 12 but goes lean up to 14 towards the end of the run. The next run was worse as the car ran very rich...........it looked like the car detected pre-detonation and changed the timing accordingly. Had a final strange last run of 460HP and 537Lbft of torque. So off to Kleemann the Ecu goes tomorrow to re-insert my K4 program. It really looks like the ECU recall reflash does mess things up.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/151958-any-post-mb-ecu-flash-dynos-cars-w-mods.html
.............as to whther or not you should do the recall: There is no reason for mercedes to be reflashing the Ecu in the first place in order to fix the secondary air injection pump. I don't think the recall work is neccessary. I think it is a hoax. Knowing what I know now I will not do it. Perod!
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Originally Posted by mstenberg
I can't take this abuse any longer. Thanks to the guidance of aintME I'm going in for a dyno baseline test this coming Friday morning. This should tell me if it's me or the car that's going nuts.
-Mattias
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You guys should either (i) write a letter to AMG directly addressing the issue, or (ii) go on the private lounge and discuss the matter there. By doing the ladder you will at least have the benefit of AMG hearing the issue and subsequently there's increased chance that they will do something about. After all, the last thing that they want is to lose some AMG customers over an issue like this.
Plus, going to the dealerships is not going to help. We all what a bunch of monkeys they usually are and the only thing that they're good at is spinning wheels...
Plus, going to the dealerships is not going to help. We all what a bunch of monkeys they usually are and the only thing that they're good at is spinning wheels...
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Sorry to hear all the bad news. I had my 2004 E55 20,000 mile service done one month ago and the car ran great. I accidentally peeled out pulling out of the dealerships driveway and the throttle response and gear shifts were very crip. The car seems to have settled down because the engine and transmission do not feel as tight anymore, but it still runs great.
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A dyno of a modded car after the ECU flash is meaningless... the program will be completely incompatible ... thats why Ted had the inconsistent dyno results... the new mapping does not know what to do with mods present.
We need a dyno of stock E55 before and after the ECU update.
We need a dyno of stock E55 before and after the ECU update.
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Originally Posted by stevebez
A dyno of a modded car after the ECU flash is meaningless... the program will be completely incompatible ... thats why Ted had the inconsistent dyno results... the new mapping does not know what to do with mods present.
