Video: Mercedes E55 AMG Kompressor vs BMW Alpina B5
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I did race a E55 with my SL..from a dig the E55 is slightly faster and then they are equal all the way but from rolling starts we were equal all the way to 200 km/h then my SL55 was ahead,maybe thats due to my ecu tune 
.Anyways..I Found a race between a SL55 and the outdated M3, so why is there fuss about the loss against the Alpina B5.
Video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th1rYrv-oXY
.Anyways..I Found a race between a SL55 and the outdated M3, so why is there fuss about the loss against the Alpina B5.Video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th1rYrv-oXY
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OT but check out how the Ruf handed the Supra it **** (it also beat the CGT)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7pN2dHxT8
Ruf Ruf baby!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7pN2dHxT8
Ruf Ruf baby!
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Hmmm how about this race w/S55 NO 65, NO 600, I said S55 w/kompressor vs E60 M5, looks like the M5 isn't beating him 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sLjkLpFFRLM
Then how 'bout this E60 M5 vs an obvious Ferrari 360 Spider convertible, mislabled as a lighter Modena 360, they look pretty damned even in the last (2) races, and they are high 12 second 1/4 milers at best!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=trJGbtYuSF0
No way in hell the M5 is beating the E55k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sLjkLpFFRLM
Then how 'bout this E60 M5 vs an obvious Ferrari 360 Spider convertible, mislabled as a lighter Modena 360, they look pretty damned even in the last (2) races, and they are high 12 second 1/4 milers at best!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=trJGbtYuSF0
No way in hell the M5 is beating the E55k
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The race was not faked. I spoke with the Viper before the race and he had said that he was having problems getting his car into 3rd gear I believe. He stated that the torque was so high that he was FORCED to wait for the engine to settle to get it into gear. It might be one of the reasons why he lost, but I can't say for sure. I didn't see him after the end of the day.
Seems to me, though, putting the reflector vs. brake light issue aside, if you need to let your RPM's drop between shifts, you may as well not bother racing. That loss of momentum is a killer. I know that the problem was his, but why did it take so long (hundreds of posts on at least 2 boards) for this important detail to emerge?? And I don't think I am being dramatic when I say it is important.
It is because of things like this that so many people on different car boards have a hard time with Gustav. I look at these things objectively and with an open mind, as they are just cars. And I don't get all tangled up in these silly arguments. But when someone posts vids and is lightening quick in posting reasons why an M car didn't perform well, you have an expectation that the same person should also disclose a MAJOR handicap on the other car. By any definition, having to wait for your rpm's to drop in a race like this is a MAJOR handicap. And he should have disclosed that. By failing to do so (and thank YOU for sharing this detail), he comes across like someone who is more interested in selling his DVDs than anything else.
And when you do not have credibility, everything you say is viewed with appropriate skepticism. That's unfortunate.
Again - congrats on your very impressive M6, and thanks for telling us what others apparently did not want us to know. That's honorable on your part.
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Russ - You have a very fast M6. Congrats and you deserve "mad props", as kids today still say (I think).
Seems to me, though, putting the reflector vs. brake light issue aside, if you need to let your RPM's drop between shifts, you may as well not bother racing. That loss of momentum is a killer. I know that the problem was his, but why did it take so long (hundreds of posts on at least 2 boards) for this important detail to emerge?? And I don't think I am being dramatic when I say it is important.
It is because of things like this that so many people on different car boards have a hard time with Gustav. I look at these things objectively and with an open mind, as they are just cars. And I don't get all tangled up in these silly arguments. But when someone posts vids and is lightening quick in posting reasons why an M car didn't perform well, you have an expectation that the same person should also disclose a MAJOR handicap on the other car. By any definition, having to wait for your rpm's to drop in a race like this is a MAJOR handicap. And he should have disclosed that. By failing to do so (and thank YOU for sharing this detail), he comes across like someone who is more interested in selling his DVDs than anything else.
And when you do not have credibility, everything you say is viewed with appropriate skepticism. That's unfortunate.
Again - congrats on your very impressive M6, and thanks for telling us what others apparently did not want us to know. That's honorable on your part.
Seems to me, though, putting the reflector vs. brake light issue aside, if you need to let your RPM's drop between shifts, you may as well not bother racing. That loss of momentum is a killer. I know that the problem was his, but why did it take so long (hundreds of posts on at least 2 boards) for this important detail to emerge?? And I don't think I am being dramatic when I say it is important.
It is because of things like this that so many people on different car boards have a hard time with Gustav. I look at these things objectively and with an open mind, as they are just cars. And I don't get all tangled up in these silly arguments. But when someone posts vids and is lightening quick in posting reasons why an M car didn't perform well, you have an expectation that the same person should also disclose a MAJOR handicap on the other car. By any definition, having to wait for your rpm's to drop in a race like this is a MAJOR handicap. And he should have disclosed that. By failing to do so (and thank YOU for sharing this detail), he comes across like someone who is more interested in selling his DVDs than anything else.
And when you do not have credibility, everything you say is viewed with appropriate skepticism. That's unfortunate.
Again - congrats on your very impressive M6, and thanks for telling us what others apparently did not want us to know. That's honorable on your part.
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Maybe the BE CLK is what's needed to outperform the M
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..3.*
I think this says it best:
The Easy Choice
Bottom line: The Benz wins this test, but not just because it's quicker and handles better. Nope. When you're talking about laying down this much cash, there's more to it than performance. For this kind of green we want something special. We want attitude to go with the speed, sound to go with the looks and exclusivity to justify the cost of entry.
The CLK63 AMG does it all. And it does it in a way the haughty, if capable, M6 cannot, with fat fender flares, bad attitude and plenty of brawn to back up its trash talk.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..3.*
I think this says it best:
The Easy Choice
Bottom line: The Benz wins this test, but not just because it's quicker and handles better. Nope. When you're talking about laying down this much cash, there's more to it than performance. For this kind of green we want something special. We want attitude to go with the speed, sound to go with the looks and exclusivity to justify the cost of entry.
The CLK63 AMG does it all. And it does it in a way the haughty, if capable, M6 cannot, with fat fender flares, bad attitude and plenty of brawn to back up its trash talk.
Last edited by KRS; Jun 22, 2007 at 01:45 PM.
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12.8 for the mighty M6!!!! Say it ain't so Gustav!!! He must have been in the wrong gear!!! Must have been a US model!!! I bet the M6 would have beat it from a 150MPH roll though!!! Oh yeah and wait for the twisties....Oops Benz smackdown again!
Great article with real world results. Refreshing after the last few days.
Great article with real world results. Refreshing after the last few days.
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How do you know when they spoke? What is so obvious? It looks to me from Russramz's post that they did not speak after the race.
Somebody else knew - he posted on M5board.
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One more thing...
I know many of you on this forum think Gustav's events are staged. I don't how much I can stress that THEY ARE NOT. There were a lot of cars and three times the number of people. We all had some pre-arranged races and those were completed before lunch. Gustav had a colegue helping him with the video while he arranged each race. Frankly I thought being a "special" guest, I might get some additional attention, but I didn't. I spoke with Gustav a total of maybe ten minutes and he never once influenced me to do anything other than to go fast. I am confident that the only people to receive 'extra attention' were the three scantily clad, tall Scandanavian bronzed babes he had stashed in his room
(a little exageration)...I did not mention the conversation to Gustav about my conversation with the Viper guy. Frankly, there wasn't time to discuss it, but I will tell you that for each race, I will not hide and pre and post race discussions.
I didn't speak with the Carrera GT owner at all--just so you know. I don't mind being in hostile territory because at heart I know we all have a core interest of fast cars and that's what brings us together.
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We didn't speak after the race. We spoke the day of the race while we were admiring each other's car. I didn't mention this because I was hoping he would tell his side of the story himself, but apparently he isn't aware of this ongoing discussion. I can only assume that was the problem. I felt the the gap was extrordinarily large, but then again I believe a tuned Z06 would do pretty well against a Viper. I believe that drag was more of a factor than the gear changes. I even suggested he might get different engine mounts or additional support to try and solve his problem. I honestly thought he was going to kill me in the race and was surprised that he gave up so quick. I didn't pull 1/8 of a mile on him because he was giving it all he had. At some point he saw that he wasn't going to win and just gave up. I think...
Russ,
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS...and I respect even more your attempting to clear the air here. Your car is incredible and hats off to you and your camera work. There is always more to the videos and it id great that you choose to share your perspective in a seemingly hostile environ!! WELCOME
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He'll just delete it. Or he'll whine about it saying something about the MB cheating, the BMW missed a gear, etc. I believe that there is an excuse thread on this forum as well as his forum why BMWs loose to MBs at times.
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We didn't speak after the race. We spoke the day of the race while we were admiring each other's car. I didn't mention this because I was hoping he would tell his side of the story himself, but apparently he isn't aware of this ongoing discussion. I can only assume that was the problem. I felt the the gap was extrordinarily large, but then again I believe a tuned Z06 would do pretty well against a Viper. I believe that drag was more of a factor than the gear changes. I even suggested he might get different engine mounts or additional support to try and solve his problem. I honestly thought he was going to kill me in the race and was surprised that he gave up so quick. I didn't pull 1/8 of a mile on him because he was giving it all he had. At some point he saw that he wasn't going to win and just gave up. I think...
One more thing...
I know many of you on this forum think Gustav's events are staged. I don't how much I can stress that THEY ARE NOT. There were a lot of cars and three times the number of people. We all had some pre-arranged races and those were completed before lunch. Gustav had a colegue helping him with the video while he arranged each race. Frankly I thought being a "special" guest, I might get some additional attention, but I didn't. I spoke with Gustav a total of maybe ten minutes and he never once influenced me to do anything other than to go fast. I am confident that the only people to receive 'extra attention' were the three scantily clad, tall Scandanavian bronzed babes he had stashed in his room (a little exageration)...
I did not mention the conversation to Gustav about my conversation with the Viper guy. Frankly, there wasn't time to discuss it, but I will tell you that for each race, I will not hide and pre and post race discussions.
I didn't speak with the Carrera GT owner at all--just so you know. I don't mind being in hostile territory because at heart I know we all have a core interest of fast cars and that's what brings us together.
One more thing...
I know many of you on this forum think Gustav's events are staged. I don't how much I can stress that THEY ARE NOT. There were a lot of cars and three times the number of people. We all had some pre-arranged races and those were completed before lunch. Gustav had a colegue helping him with the video while he arranged each race. Frankly I thought being a "special" guest, I might get some additional attention, but I didn't. I spoke with Gustav a total of maybe ten minutes and he never once influenced me to do anything other than to go fast. I am confident that the only people to receive 'extra attention' were the three scantily clad, tall Scandanavian bronzed babes he had stashed in his room
(a little exageration)...I did not mention the conversation to Gustav about my conversation with the Viper guy. Frankly, there wasn't time to discuss it, but I will tell you that for each race, I will not hide and pre and post race discussions.
I didn't speak with the Carrera GT owner at all--just so you know. I don't mind being in hostile territory because at heart I know we all have a core interest of fast cars and that's what brings us together.
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The Youtube vids tell you exactly how to give him your money. This is allowed?
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Thanks for chimimng in Russ!
As stated on m5board as well I did not know the Viper had issues, but it is stated by member BPUad, which is good. I have not withoheld any information and if I wanted to BPUad would just be banned, right?
PS: Russ, the blondes sends their regards
DS.
As stated on m5board as well I did not know the Viper had issues, but it is stated by member BPUad, which is good. I have not withoheld any information and if I wanted to BPUad would just be banned, right?
PS: Russ, the blondes sends their regards
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Thanks for chimimng in Russ!
As stated on m5board as well I did not know the Viper had issues, but it is stated by member BPUad, which is good. I have not withoheld any information and if I wanted to BPUad would just be banned, right?
PS: Russ, the blondes sends their regards DS.
As stated on m5board as well I did not know the Viper had issues, but it is stated by member BPUad, which is good. I have not withoheld any information and if I wanted to BPUad would just be banned, right?
PS: Russ, the blondes sends their regards
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