Originally Posted by Zlicious

That is far from the truth. I have raced cars that have trapped higher than me and beat them. From a roll, gearing and aerodynamics (especially) play a big role. A car can have 4.10 final drive ratio and get through the 1/4 mile really fast, but then after the 1/4 it can die out due to lack of gear and bad aerodynamics. So, while trap speeds do tell some of the story, it doesn't tell it completely.

Originally Posted by 355Spider

True that. I've been beaten at the track by guys with a trap speed nearly 10mph slower than me. But they had monster slicks and pulled a 1.4 60ft thus leaving me sitting there. By the end of the QT I was gaining fast but still got beat.

Originally Posted by Thericker

I agree, upon 1st glance from the front they appeared to be closer till I watched it a few times, the side angle shows a beating, but considering the CLS55 had 1 stage less, and the C6 Z06 was modded by Lingenfelter to 616hp I expected more of a win

Originally Posted by blackbenzz

I'm pretty sure you are referring to muscle cars that are built for the 1/4 mile. They die on the top end and dont even trap that high. I am speaking in general, not all of them.

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

juicee63 - it's hard to take a loss - it pains me too watching this video but my friend I don't think anything would have really changed the outcome. That was a healthy pull by the Z06, maybe if the E55 was rev'd right or some other excuse it would have delayed the beating but not prevented it.

The video you posted is not stock vs stock, and the yellow car is a C5 Z06, not a C6 Z06. It looks to me like that K4 CLS55 got beaten pretty handily too.

Is it really so hard for us AMG guys to realize that yes, there are 3000lb 500hp sports cars out there than can beat us? Or is it because the Vette costs less than some of you have trouble with grasping? The field is very competitive these days my friends - and there are some FLYING cars out there. The AMG cars are not going to win them all - but I will tell you all what driving the Z06 makes you appreciate just how well appointed the AMGs are. I recently drove the 55 to Indianapolis and this weekend up to Lake Geneva and it's such an incredible cruiser... the Z06 is comfy but not even in the same solar system as the AMG cars in terms of luxury, comfort, and refinement.

-m

Originally Posted by 355Spider

Yeah they generally are.


If anyone wants to get together in the Dallas area for some friendly racing I would love to meet up. I have a Z06 that's mildy modified. We need to have one of those meets similar to Europe with a bunch of cars. That would be great.

Originally Posted by juicee63

Your post count says it all...

just never post again and you will be forever admired!

I will come to Dallas as soon as the Direct port Nos is installed. Then we can speak further about F=ma

Originally Posted by 355Spider

Way to be good neighbor. I am a long standing member of many cars sites as I am a certified car nut. I may not have a high post count but I am on the site fairly often keeping up with what's new. If you don't want to have some friendly fun then don't but why the attitude?

Originally Posted by juicee63

You need a beer man....

Your post count was 63!!!!! an awesome number for many reasons!! Now it is 64 , oh the horror.

Your yellow cars are aMAZING! sixty three IS WHAT i DRIVE ALSO A NUTURAL NUMBER ..ever been to VEGAS?

Originally Posted by Rock

Wow!!! You guys are really worked up about this whole thing..............me on the other hand have already developed a new strategy when confronted by a ZO6.

As one pulls up to my side, I look over......smile and give a thumbs up. Then I sign the ZO6 that "GO" is on the third honk. I honk once....................... and go!!!!!

p.s. make it a short race.

Originally Posted by 355Spider

Ok so I am seriosly slow getting the drift. I went and ruined it. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Rock

Wow!!! You guys are really worked up about this whole thing..............I on the other hand, have already developed a new strategy when confronted by a ZO6.

As one pulls up to my side, I look over......smile and give a thumbs up. Then I sign the ZO6 that "GO" is on the third honk. I honk once....................... and go!!!!!

p.s. make it a short race.

Originally Posted by blackbenzz

Do your research before making dumb comments. Check the power ratings on a Stage 5 Renntech vs. stock SLR and then open your mouth
You could have at least used your favorite word... "gearing"

Originally Posted by evoviiiyou

Trap speeds are good, but roll races are very dependent on gearing not to mention driver for manual cars....my point was that people see a 126 trap and say "no way that ZO6 is stockish!!!" they think it has head work and or cams or maybe think the owner is hiding a NOS kit, but really it traps 126mph due to the weight issue and the higher the speeds go tdue to the ZO6's gearing the worst it gets for the heavier/higher COE drag competitor...and thats all I was trying to say.

Originally Posted by Zlicious

e55 baller,

How is it that you have a 03 E55 AMG with 486 rwhp/560 rwtq through a stage 2 yet Les has a stage 5 with the same HP and 30 rwtq less??..

Originally Posted by rflow306

I almost do the same thing, except instead of the thumbs up my thumb is on the trigger.

Originally Posted by e55 baller

Its hard to say why as I don't know his exact mods and stage X to X comparisons break down with different vendors

...I would say its cooling related.

I had the same mods at one time and got 394 rwhp....its was a serious issue with the cooling circuit. My IATs were 280F -- near meltdown and my A/F was well under 10 or 9 -- what ever was the cutoff by 5k rpms.

If all is working correctly with the VRP TB I could be at 520rwhp. I pulled hard on a new 997TT so I would like to think I have something for the Z06 but i am not holding my breath.