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Jesus guys, this has really gotten out of control. Give it a rest already and lets see if MHP can deliver. Until then, I'm outta here - way too much ego in this thread for me....
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Due to time constaints and the fact we had 3 customers waiting to hit the rollers we didn't have time to do a dyno pull overlayed with A/F data, however the FAST DB is in (as are the Thermalnators) and I do have data from pulls made on the street--deserted industrial park so no worries. This is with both stock ECU/TCU, I'll post dyno graphs from the same DJ pre/post ECU/TCU tune by Friday and am still shooting to hit the track with both tuned control units on Friday night (weather depending).
idle to 2800rpm- 13.0-13.1:1
2800-6800rpm- 12.4-12.6:1
6800+ rpm- 11.8-11.9:1
Overall I'm fairly impressed with the stock A/F ratio. The meat of the band is right on par with where it should be, though our ECU tunes do correct for the relatively minor deficiencies we're seeing in the low/high end--we don't want the extra fuel up top and we don't want the bottom end as lean as it is either.
While we had the car on the lift I snapped some shots of the OEM exhaust. It's not bad for a stock exhaust but there is definitely room for improvement. I was quite shocked to see the "clearancing" job that MB did around the front of the differential. It's the type of thing that you'd typically see from Jed's exhaust shop, rather disappointing to say the least. IMO there is room for a full 3" exhaust from the headers back with a true X crossover. This is our next mod.
The passenger's side dent is significantly larger/deeper than the driver's side:
Driver's side indentation:
Stay tuned race fans, it's going to be an exciting week.
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idle to 2800rpm- 13.0-13.1:1
2800-6800rpm- 12.4-12.6:1
6800+ rpm- 11.8-11.9:1
Overall I'm fairly impressed with the stock A/F ratio. The meat of the band is right on par with where it should be, though our ECU tunes do correct for the relatively minor deficiencies we're seeing in the low/high end--we don't want the extra fuel up top and we don't want the bottom end as lean as it is either.
While we had the car on the lift I snapped some shots of the OEM exhaust. It's not bad for a stock exhaust but there is definitely room for improvement. I was quite shocked to see the "clearancing" job that MB did around the front of the differential. It's the type of thing that you'd typically see from Jed's exhaust shop, rather disappointing to say the least. IMO there is room for a full 3" exhaust from the headers back with a true X crossover. This is our next mod.
The passenger's side dent is significantly larger/deeper than the driver's side:
Driver's side indentation:
Stay tuned race fans, it's going to be an exciting week.
Thanks
Andy
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If you don't mind sharing what are these made of? If a material was able to match the performance of phelonic material without the thickness I think many would be interested. I'm curious. If these are as good as your saying you may want to cut a set for the M113 V8 which would cover alot of models here. 
Any chance of answering my question? I was the first post so I understand if it got overlooked in all the limp wristed E slap talk. I like everyone here. I also understand if you don't want to share the info on the actual material used in terms of reproduction.
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racetested, gravedgr, JT55, and TUNINGTECH I look forward to working with all of you in the future. Despite some of the negative commentary in this thread I'm pleased to say that I've met some genuinely talented and passionate people in the MB game because of it. It's nice to know that there are some true gearheads out there!
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Hell yes! I didn't know you were local. Shoot me a PM. I think at least one Jeep SRT8 (with 175 shot) will be rolling up with me. Another friend of mine with a E63 with 125 shot may also attend.
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Rock,
I just called NRP to verify this Friday's T&T and they are not having it due to there being a Chrysler/Mopar shootout this weekend.
They are back on schedule next week, but I don't want to wait that long...Thinking 42 now...
I just called NRP to verify this Friday's T&T and they are not having it due to there being a Chrysler/Mopar shootout this weekend.
They are back on schedule next week, but I don't want to wait that long...Thinking 42 now...
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Andy,
Before I say anything, I just want to be clear that I am only making this post to make sure misinformation is not being spread and am not trying to bash or cause trouble.
I've done a lot of work with 722.6 transmissions and have been researching the 722.9 transmissions for a while now also. We currently offer fully reinforced and reworked 722.6 transmissions and I am in the process of testing and building a 722.9 counterpart (I am saying this so you understand that I am not talking out of my a$$).
From my research I just don't understand how you are saying you are reprogramming the TCU on a 722.9 car (ie. C63 or CLK63 BS), let alone doing it on a bench?? The TCU/EGS unit on the 722.9 is INSIDE the valvebody of the transmission. It takes 15hrs or so to get the tranny out, dismantle it, and then be able to reach the TCU on those cars.
On the 722.6 based cars the TCU is external and is easily programmable but my understanding on the 722.9 is that it is not.
Also, from all the research I've done, bench programming of the TCU on a 722.9 is not possible. You need the physical car there to make it work.
Did I misunderstand what you wrote about the TCU on the 63 cars or did you make a mistake in stating what you were actually reprogramming?
I just want to clear up the confusion and either make sure I didn't misspeak or that you didn't.
Before I say anything, I just want to be clear that I am only making this post to make sure misinformation is not being spread and am not trying to bash or cause trouble.
I've done a lot of work with 722.6 transmissions and have been researching the 722.9 transmissions for a while now also. We currently offer fully reinforced and reworked 722.6 transmissions and I am in the process of testing and building a 722.9 counterpart (I am saying this so you understand that I am not talking out of my a$$).
From my research I just don't understand how you are saying you are reprogramming the TCU on a 722.9 car (ie. C63 or CLK63 BS), let alone doing it on a bench?? The TCU/EGS unit on the 722.9 is INSIDE the valvebody of the transmission. It takes 15hrs or so to get the tranny out, dismantle it, and then be able to reach the TCU on those cars.
On the 722.6 based cars the TCU is external and is easily programmable but my understanding on the 722.9 is that it is not.
Also, from all the research I've done, bench programming of the TCU on a 722.9 is not possible. You need the physical car there to make it work.
Did I misunderstand what you wrote about the TCU on the 63 cars or did you make a mistake in stating what you were actually reprogramming?
I just want to clear up the confusion and either make sure I didn't misspeak or that you didn't.
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I've done a lot of work with 722.6 transmissions and have been researching the 722.9 transmissions for a while now also. We currently offer fully reinforced and reworked 722.6 transmissions and I am in the process of testing and building a 722.9 counterpart (I am saying this so you understand that I am not talking out of my a$$).
So you don't outsource your trans builds? You do them in house???
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lol.. No.. I am not a trans builder.. The guy that does our stuff also builds them for Ben Sulayem in Dubai.
I meant that I have spent a lot of time researching trannies in these cars and trying different things with them.
I must have missed the post where Andy said the TCU was inside the tranny.
When I saw the post about being able to send in your TCU for programming it threw me for a loop because my understanding is that you cannot bench program them and its many hours to re/re that control unit.
I meant that I have spent a lot of time researching trannies in these cars and trying different things with them.
I must have missed the post where Andy said the TCU was inside the tranny.
When I saw the post about being able to send in your TCU for programming it threw me for a loop because my understanding is that you cannot bench program them and its many hours to re/re that control unit.
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I've done a lot of work with 722.6 transmissions and have been researching the 722.9 transmissions for a while now also. We currently offer fully reinforced and reworked 722.6 transmissions and I am in the process of testing and building a 722.9 counterpart (I am saying this so you understand that I am not talking out of my a$$).
From my research I just don't understand how you are saying you are reprogramming the TCU on a 722.9 car (ie. C63 or CLK63 BS), let alone doing it on a bench?? The TCU/EGS unit on the 722.9 is INSIDE the valvebody of the transmission. It takes 15hrs or so to get the tranny out, dismantle it, and then be able to reach the TCU on those cars.
On the 722.6 based cars the TCU is external and is easily programmable but my understanding on the 722.9 is that it is not.
From my research I just don't understand how you are saying you are reprogramming the TCU on a 722.9 car (ie. C63 or CLK63 BS), let alone doing it on a bench?? The TCU/EGS unit on the 722.9 is INSIDE the valvebody of the transmission. It takes 15hrs or so to get the tranny out, dismantle it, and then be able to reach the TCU on those cars.
On the 722.6 based cars the TCU is external and is easily programmable but my understanding on the 722.9 is that it is not.
Also, from all the research I've done, bench programming of the TCU on a 722.9 is not possible. You need the physical car there to make it work.
Did I misunderstand what you wrote about the TCU on the 63 cars or did you make a mistake in stating what you were actually reprogramming?
I just want to clear up the confusion and either make sure I didn't misspeak or that you didn't.
I just want to clear up the confusion and either make sure I didn't misspeak or that you didn't.
Thanks
Andy
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To expound a bit more, we will in the future be distributing our ECU/TCU reflashes through a select group of businesses, though we won't be selling/licensing out the actual hardware we use.
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