Jcart, well said,

 

[QUOTE=jrcart;3034445]I threw down this idea a couple months ago when Renntech debuted their 63 Black Series. Bring it on! I'm in, I'll be repping the Evosport boys with my 63. Not to pat myself on my own back but nobody else need show up for this event becuase I have not seen any other tuners 63 that can even come somewhat close to the performance numbers of my car. I think I will see some good competition from the VRP Kenny Bell supercharged 63 if it ever gets completed. As for the Renntech contingent, he should not even waste his gas money to try to participate in this shootout, I have seen the dyno sheets on a couple of their 63's...what a joke![/QUO

 

I keep hearing all this talk about a damn Supercharger for the 63's. And now there is talk that "IF THEY EVER DO IT?" If we don't see any proof that this mith even is in the works , I say we lay the mith to rest. So VRP show us something, that is if you are really working on Supercharging the
63's. Sorry but I think it's time to show your hand, If you have one ..
Good morning Vadim

 

Andy if you can make our cars as fast as you can type ... count me in

Sheesh...I'd hate to see that keyboard.

Looking forward to your products! Keep our tuning options coming!

 

I was under the impression that your car was the one getting the supercharger...now I'm really confused

 

Its funny how most of the members who have a problem with this guys attitude and posting negative remarks, etc. are actually HELPING Andy, not hurting him in anyway. This thread has now been viewed 1505 times in the last few days, and is already on page 4. Its kind of like that TV show "married with children". The first year the show was a complete flop, no one knew about it or watched it. It wasnt until some crazy old hag in the midwest started this petition to have the show cancelled "due to its content" that the show started getting watched. It eventually became a huge success, because people were wondering what all the fuss was about, and actually started watching it. She tried to have the show cancelled, but instead made it a household name that everybody now knows , and went onto being one of the most successful TV shows ever.
Similar thing is going on in this thread. All of this negative BS is being posted, but yet the views and pages keep getting more attention than any other thread here in our E55 section.
I also sponsor a different car forum, and one of the rules is that competing vendors stay out of each others threads, Ill assume that Mbworld is the same way. I think if Vadim never said anything on this thread, it would not have gotten as much attention as it has, and most of you guys would be viewing VRPs threads right now, like you normally would. Vadim is a friend of mine, but I think posting in this thread hurt him more than it helped.
As for Andy, I think you have some big *****. You have not backed down to anyone here, I commend you for that, even some of the well known loudmouths.. ie Jangy
I can appreciate what your trying to do, and now I really hope that your product is going to be as strong as you insist it will be, because if it isnt, youll be out of here so fast, you wont know what hit ya.
Good luck and welcome to the forum.

 

Here's a link for ya...
http://www.angermanagementseminar.com/

 

Great post Blue.

 

MHP,

Keep on going, you are putting on the "show" that I have seen many insist a vendor provide when they are NOT willing to post.

You manner is arrogant and at time condescending, again not unique here.

In the end the products will be the only thing that matters and regardless of how your attitude here. There will be someone that wants to try something new if it will give them bragging rights. If it works, the word will go out and you will have more business. Now if your products cause something to f-up, like a fried tranny, you better have an extra on the shelf and service the hell out of them. Right now it's all just chest beating. Give this forum something real to turn on you about and it gets crazy.

I have actually watched this forum demoralize a couple of good guys and as a result they folded up shop and went away. My impression is that you are a lot more thick skinned.

Edit: yeah, what bluemonster said above

 

Yup, I'm sure someone here wants to buy your untested heads. Look, you clearly showed all your hands when you clung to the NOS mod. It isn't that we don't do them here, it is simply that we don't have as much respect for it because it has been done so many times. The SCs are OEM, but what is impressive is taking them and getting much more power. That is the modding part. Again, where is your data? I thought we were done until you posted? Never gave me an ETA or how the study is designed. BS BS BS BS BS.

 

IIRC, it's going on a CLK63.

 

This is why I cannot wait to work with Jim. Headed to FedEx right now to drop your Thermalnators off. Can't wait to hear your results/opinions.

Thanks
Andy

 

Nope. I've seen the setup. It will be on a CLS63 or C63, whichever chooses to be the fastest 63 BAR NONE.

 

That's why I called them basic questions, some you could probably find the answer to on the net relatively quickly, others probably not...
Are you talking about Heffner? He builds nice turbo kits no question, but if he doesn't already he needs to swap different slugs in his Gallardo's.
Heads on these motors are "reasonable", fwiw, I also consider the assembled/built Ford GT heads on my N/A 5.4 (pics shown prior) to be reasonable at $10k.
Honestly it's REALLY hard to grenade a N/A stock longblock or even just shortblock motor to the point that I would think you would have to set out with the intention of blowing **** up to do so.
The reason I bought my C63 was so I could test as many parts/tunes as I could on my own personal vehicle before sending them out to our customers. To date we have NEVER lost a motor (one that we've built, or just tuned) and that I believe is a pretty mean feat in its own right--especially considering the builds we have taken on and that we don't tune everything we sell.
Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion.

Thanks
Andy

 

Then what's the hold up? Vic or Vadim posted pics of that thing over 5 months ago if I'm not mistaken.

Bring on that damn blower, talk is cheap! I'm just getting started with the mods on my car. Cams, heads and at least 575 NA whp by November, plus another 100 on the bottle , maybe in time for MIR. I don't need no stinkin blower!

 

I dunno about married with kids, but I gotta say I disagree with this thread being bad for VRP. Somebody will have to fix all of the blown TCU / ECUs that get sent to MHC. I've always loved to watch kharma bite the guy who just had to have everything, even if it meant selling out to a *****. In a way, I am glad jcart is on it because we will very soon find out how much meat is to MHC's yap. But, I can't help but to be dissapointed in it. You really want a Chrysler tuner to play with your Black Series, there are at least 10 just in the HB area. Why do you need to go to Ohio?

 

I don't know about all that. I remember the CLK63 that was to be the first and dunno what happenned. All I do know is that I have seen the SC setup recently. The hardware is being fitted now and tune, etc will follow. Talk is cheap. What are you putting down now? Where is the 575 coming from?

 

Billet is not "forged". The reason that the grain structure is aligned is that you start with a big homogenous block of material and then use an expensive CNC machine to turn it into what you want. There are effectively no internal stresses on the material and thus it is stonger. A forged or cast structure (onless you are casting a sphere), cools at different rates and results in internal stresses that reduce strength. You also have surface defects that can cause stress points which allow a spot for cracks to start. Shot peening is a way to eliminate these surface defect sites.

Lastly, parts that are forged need to be made with materials that allow forging. Billet does not. Although your question was about using similar materials.

 

I guess I've vastly understimated the size of our target demographic. Silly me for thinking any performance oriented MB owner would like to see control of their trans given back to them...

If I'm a "know it not" you must be a know it all. Answer my questions and I'll answer yours. Start with how to spec a cam for a 4v, what's important, what's not, velocity v flow, etc. Then we'll talk.

Then bust out the lube, I treat my customers like gold no question. I'm availabe 18hrs a day via cell--that helps when you have customers not just in the US but around the world.
Honestly if you have to pay for sex you need to hit the gym more often.

...and your experience with the C63 is...highlighted nicely by the 5th gear not being 1:1 as it is in the 7A comment below.

Let me apply your logic to the statement above again: Any moron can do (not really sure that's the right word) a supercharger. We'll it's true. Everyone knows that in a factory supercharged app adding a smaller pulley and tuning will always net huge power due to the inherent safety margins built into the vehicle at the factory and the ability of FI to make large power easily.
N/A is obviously going to be at a huge disadvantage to FI no argument there, however again I ask what kind of rwhp/rwtq are you making? I think we can get a H/C/I 6.2 with supporting bolt-ons to make the same kind of rwhp you do, just not the tq. I guess we'll find out soon enough...

Only as an example.

That was clearly a bad attempt to spin, leave it at that.

Our TCU reflashing adds power due to the massive amount of additional tq management (aside from that in the ECU) found in the OEM TCU programming. It's sick how much they handicap these things.
DT loss is measured by coast down, we've found it to be right at 16-17% on my car at present. This may drop by a point or two with more miles (dyno'd at 600 miles). 5th gear is 1:1 in a 7A which my car (you know, the one in question) happens to have. Obviously it's 4th in most other vehicles.

Untested? LOL, how many vendors on here have purchased a pair of 6.2 heads just to destroy (one we literally cut in half and we worked different shapes/contours on the other)? Again, we've made 597rw with a 3.55" bore 4.165" stroke (stock dimension) Ford GT head 5.4L 4v naturally aspirated, 440rwhp from a 4.6/4v N/A, 350hp from 1.5L of 2v SOHC--that's (the 5.4) probably more than you're making with your twin screw 5.4. What makes you think that we'll do any worse with a 4" bore 6.2?

I am officially done with you Jangy, at least until you learn how to quote in html because I'm sick of wasting my time.
Have a nice day, and don't worry, I'll still sell you a TCU at only twice the normal cost.

 

I don't doubt you, as you've been to the shop & I'm across the country. I just missed where it changed. I'm posting the following just so I can convince myself I'm not insane... LOL

See, I'm not completely nuts..

 

LOL, much appreciated and thanks!

 

You sir are correct is so many ways. Thank you for an excellent post.

 

Thanks for your realistic perpective Jon, and you are also correct, this ain't my first rodeo.

 

Where the hell is HB...Huntington Beach? Dude I live in Chicago, besides, I am not shipping my car there. Secondly as for the Chrysler comment, didn't Chrysler pretty much develop this 7-speed tranny? I don't care if a Hyundia tuner works on my car, if they are able to unlock one of the largest obstacles that ALL MB tuners are running up against, then yes Mr Chrysler tuner, have at it.

My entire car was a friggin experiment, nobody offered anything for ANY 63 before I sent my car to Evosport. You gotta roll the dice in life, I did and look at the results...an 11.4 NA all motor 1/4 pass out of a 63, the very same car most of you all wrote off as slow and non-tuner friendly. I'm not affraid to take a chance or break something, I am well aware of what happens when you play with fire. You all better pray I don't blow my motor up, because I will build it bigger, stronger and faster than any other MB any of you have ever seen...don't believe me? Stay tuned, becasue it's not a matter of if as much as it is a matter of when.

 

Where do you think billet "blanks" come from? Forgings.