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I assume the third party testing you mention refers to your previous statement below ?
LOL - yeah, very scientific data you have there....customer feedback is what you call "third party testing" ???? Gimme a break man and quit blowing semantic smoke up our collective asses. If you want to impress me/us, post up every one of those "third party tests" and show us the exact temp drops measured with a pyrometer and not some generalized BS statement like "objective third party testing".
LOL - yeah, very scientific data you have there....customer feedback is what you call "third party testing" ???? Gimme a break man and quit blowing semantic smoke up our collective asses. If you want to impress me/us, post up every one of those "third party tests" and show us the exact temp drops measured with a pyrometer and not some generalized BS statement like "objective third party testing".
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Pardon my language MHP, but you come across as a real douche bag. Vadim has tuned more AMG's in his lifetime than you ever have and has been tuning these cars for quite some time now. The company was specifically built around AMG tuning my friend.
Also, if you want to get along with others here, don't start off by making enemies since you are still a n00b to all of us here.
Also, if you want to get along with others here, don't start off by making enemies since you are still a n00b to all of us here.
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Damn, friend! You trying to start a war? Vadim was just posting his opinion and you bust out on his 1. spacers 2. pricing 3. tuning experience 4. past experience? I have never done business with Vadim or you, but as a casual poster/observer, your response to his opinion seemed disproportionate. You make a big claim that effectively tells people that your stuff is way better than his stuff, he says " I disagree" and then you throw down? I am not friends with Vadim, have asked his opinion in maybe one or two posts, but he seems like a decent guy trying to help out and at the same time ply his wares to the MB community. By getting defensive, it looks like you are the aggressor in this scenario. It makes me wonder what the customer service is like if something goes awry - are you that aggressive with an errant customer?
On the other hand I don't play well with some other tuners--mainly because they're full of misinformation or one of the other reasons listed above. If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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Pardon my language MHP, but you come across as a real douche bag. Vadim has tuned more AMG's in his lifetime than you ever have and has been tuning these cars for quite some time now. The company was specifically built around AMG tuning my friend.
Also, if you want to get along with others here, don't start off by making enemies since you are still a n00b to all of us here.
Also, if you want to get along with others here, don't start off by making enemies since you are still a n00b to all of us here.
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If you took a poll I would bet dollars to donuts that my customers would rate MHP higher than any other shop/tuner in their respective market when it comes to customer service. Customers come first, and I've never disappointed one--just try and find a bad review anywhere on the net, there simply aren't any.
On the other hand I don't play well with some other tuners--mainly because they're full of misinformation or one of the other reasons listed above. If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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On the other hand I don't play well with some other tuners--mainly because they're full of misinformation or one of the other reasons listed above. If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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There are 10 second 6.1 Hemi's, and 8 second SRT4s. What's anyone ever done with a SHO besides bolt-on a Vortech or some spray?
We modify/tune SRTs, Ford GTs/GT500s, Bentleys, VWs, Mini's, Vette's, Vipers and more.
I'm new to this board, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that I have equal or less knowledge than the other tuners on here? Sorry but I disagree. As for others being tech savvy, well, how many other shops tune both Chryco and MB ECUs and TCUs, have made 550rw N/A (597rw with a carb) with a Ford 5.4/4v, and 440rw N/A with a 4.6/4v, and 350hp from 1.5L of N/A SOHC 2v, and 1700rw with twins on a Ford GT, rebuilt Cosworth DFX V8s, can cast or fabricate from sheetmetal custom intake manifolds, design and fabricate complete custom exhausts, etc etc etc? Don't worry, those are rhetorical questions.
There's an *** for every seat brother, and if you're happy doing business with VRP so be it.
That being said, don't expect someone with more practical experience and knowledge in the business to take a back seat when the rubber meets the road. In the end the numbers will decide who has superior products, as such I'm hardly worried.
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We modify/tune SRTs, Ford GTs/GT500s, Bentleys, VWs, Mini's, Vette's, Vipers and more.
I'm new to this board, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that I have equal or less knowledge than the other tuners on here? Sorry but I disagree. As for others being tech savvy, well, how many other shops tune both Chryco and MB ECUs and TCUs, have made 550rw N/A (597rw with a carb) with a Ford 5.4/4v, and 440rw N/A with a 4.6/4v, and 350hp from 1.5L of N/A SOHC 2v, and 1700rw with twins on a Ford GT, rebuilt Cosworth DFX V8s, can cast or fabricate from sheetmetal custom intake manifolds, design and fabricate complete custom exhausts, etc etc etc? Don't worry, those are rhetorical questions.
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There's an *** for every seat brother, and if you're happy doing business with VRP so be it.
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For the record, I have been using the VRP spacers for a year now and they do not leak.
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I assume the third party testing you mention refers to your previous statement below ?
LOL - yeah, very scientific data you have there....customer feedback is what you call "third party testing" ???? Gimme a break man and quit blowing semantic smoke up our collective asses. If you want to impress me/us, post up every one of those "third party tests" and show us the exact temp drops measured with a pyrometer and not some generalized BS statement like "objective third party testing".
LOL - yeah, very scientific data you have there....customer feedback is what you call "third party testing" ???? Gimme a break man and quit blowing semantic smoke up our collective asses. If you want to impress me/us, post up every one of those "third party tests" and show us the exact temp drops measured with a pyrometer and not some generalized BS statement like "objective third party testing".
When you have literally sold over 100 sets of thermal intake spacers to customers that had previously been using phenolics that have leaked, and hear nothing but praise for your replacements, well, what else is there to say...
Just like in any other business, if a product sucks or fails, someone's going to hear about it. Marketing a faulty product or one that doesn't deliver is a good way to put yourself out of business.
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Also, if you want to get along with others here, don't start off by making enemies since you are still a n00b to all of us here.
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For the record I define third party testing as a customer who pays full price for a product then gives a review on it's performance with both objective and subjective data. They simply have no reason to lie.
When you have literally sold over 100 sets of thermal intake spacers to customers that had previously been using phenolics that have leaked, and hear nothing but praise for your replacements, well, what else is there to say...
Just like in any other business, if a product sucks or fails, someone's going to hear about it. Marketing a faulty product or one that doesn't deliver is a good way to put yourself out of business.
When you have literally sold over 100 sets of thermal intake spacers to customers that had previously been using phenolics that have leaked, and hear nothing but praise for your replacements, well, what else is there to say...
Just like in any other business, if a product sucks or fails, someone's going to hear about it. Marketing a faulty product or one that doesn't deliver is a good way to put yourself out of business.
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If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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And as far as your third party testing, or, customer feedback....tell us, what EXACTLY did your customers say ??? That they didn't leak ? That they used a pyrometer and got an 80 degree temp drop ?? That the seat of the pants hp was WAY UP ???? Nevermind.....those were rhetorical questions, too.
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The bottom line is I don't really care what Vadim's opinion is/was on the matter. I never asked him for one and I don't mingle in his threads.
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If you took a poll I would bet dollars to donuts that my customers would rate MHP higher than any other shop/tuner in their respective market when it comes to customer service. Customers come first, and I've never disappointed one--just try and find a bad review anywhere on the net, there simply aren't any.
On the other hand I don't play well with some other tuners--mainly because they're full of misinformation or one of the other reasons listed above. If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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On the other hand I don't play well with some other tuners--mainly because they're full of misinformation or one of the other reasons listed above. If you have a claim to make do it in your own thread, not mine. It's a simple request and I'm sure everyone can get along by following it. Also take note that nowhere did I cite VRPs phenolic spacers for the sake of comparison, which would technically make Vadim the "aggressor" in this scenario.
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I've seen Vadim posting Phenolic spacers, and have not seen many others doing so. So therefore it seemed to me that you were making a blanket comment on said spacers. Since Vadim sells them and has actively posted them here, It seems only fair that he address the statement "phenolic spacers are half an inch thick and create a dogleg in the intake" if his do not do this. I assumed from your post (having never looked into phenolic spacers for my e63) that Vadims Phenolics were half an inch thick, leaked, and created a dogleg in the intake based on your statements. Yeah, yeah, I know what they say about assuming. But then you call his stuff outrageously overpriced, and then you reference "some tuners overprice their parts" which also seems to refer to Vadim. It seemed reasonable for Vadim to defend his products because it kinda looked like you were throwing down on them. If he said that his stuff was way better than your stuff because TCU tunes demolished transmissions and shortened their effective life, I would expect you would post a retort "maybe some do, but mine don't", and I think everyone here would expect you to. Guys, I'm east coast, I'm tired, I'm going to bed - big meeting tomorrow. Could someone help me out here and take this over? Juicee, Rock, anyone? Bueller? Z
Andy - you came here with a competing product to the phenolic hear spacer. Oh, I'm sorry.....are there 45 other tuners on this board that sell the phenolic spacers ???? No, there are not. VRP is the only one I know of and the first to develop it. So, not only are you late to the game with this product offering here....you clearly, in a veiled manner, stated that "other phenolic spacers leak"....Did you really expect VRP not to rebut your statement that was clearly aimed at them ??? You must really think we're stupid here....
And as far as your third party testing, or, customer feedback....tell us, what EXACTLY did your customers say ??? That they didn't leak ? That they used a pyrometer and got an 80 degree temp drop ?? That the seat of the pants hp was WAY UP ???? Nevermind.....those were rhetorical questions, too.
And as far as your third party testing, or, customer feedback....tell us, what EXACTLY did your customers say ??? That they didn't leak ? That they used a pyrometer and got an 80 degree temp drop ?? That the seat of the pants hp was WAY UP ???? Nevermind.....those were rhetorical questions, too.
But, it really doesn't matter as Andy continues to dig his hole even deeper in the search for credibility.
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Andy - you came here with a competing product to the phenolic hear spacer. Oh, I'm sorry.....are there 45 other tuners on this board that sell the phenolic spacers ???? No, there are not. VRP is the only one I know of and the first to develop it. So, not only are you late to the game with this product offering here....you clearly, in a veiled manner, stated that "other phenolic spacers leak"....Did you really expect VRP not to rebut your statement that was clearly aimed at them ??? You must really thin we're stupid here....
Just so you know, I have absolutely no idea who in the hell makes what for these cars. I could really care less. Why? Because we already have a game plan for the 6.2s and it has NOTHING to do with anyone else's path. We do not follow, we blaze our own trail, always have which is why we stand behind everything we sell.
Finally, I absolutely stated that most phenolics will leak over time, also that most phenolics are .5" thick. Are VRPs .5" thick? No Do they leak? I don't know. Well maybe, just maybe, they can be included in the minority of thermal spacers that work...The point is I never said otherwise and never specifically targeted VRP. I find it extremely comical that so many of his cronies have jumped on my back about such a relatively small item.
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I've seen Vadim posting Phenolic spacers, and have not seen many others doing so. So therefore it seemed to me that you were making a blanket comment on said spacers. Since Vadim sells them and has actively posted them here, It seems only fair that he address the statement "phenolic spacers are half an inch thick and create a dogleg in the intake" if his do not do this. I assumed from your post (having never looked into phenolic spacers for my e63) that Vadims Phenolics were half an inch thick, leaked, and created a dogleg in the intake based on your statements. Yeah, yeah, I know what they say about assuming. But then you call his stuff outrageously overpriced, and then you reference "some tuners overprice their parts" which also seems to refer to Vadim. It seemed reasonable for Vadim to defend his products because it kinda looked like you were throwing down on them. If he said that his stuff was way better than your stuff because TCU tunes demolished transmissions and shortened their effective life, I would expect you would post a retort "maybe some do, but mine don't", and I think everyone here would expect you to.
Like I said before, I don't know who else makes phenolics for the 6.2s, and it was never my intent to specifically target any other existing brand.
Guys, I'm east coast, I'm tired, I'm going to bed - big meeting tomorrow. Could someone help me out here and take this over? Juicee, Rock, anyone? Bueller? Not that you are doing a bad job, MB Fanatic. Interested in the January acquisition! My location - NY born and bred, Boston for 10 yrs, now about an hour north of Boston in NH. Z
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If I'm the second shop to bring out a thermal spacer, but the first with the material, thickness and design we use, that makes me late to the game? Not sure I agree, but since you bring it up using your logic VRP wouldn't even get to read the score in the Monday paper with their TCU tuning. Let alone the rest of what we have coming: Ported intake manifolds, custom intake manifolds, ported cylinder heads with billet custom spec'd cams, longtube headers, etc.
Just so you know, I have absolutely no idea who in the hell makes what for these cars. I could really care less. Why? Because we already have a game plan for the 6.2s and it has NOTHING to do with anyone else's path. We do not follow, we blaze our own trail, always have which is why we stand behind everything we sell.
Finally, I absolutely stated that most phenolics will leak over time, also that most phenolics are .5" thick. Are VRPs .5" thick? No Do they leak? I don't know. Well maybe, just maybe, they can be included in the minority of thermal spacers that work...The point is I never said otherwise and never specifically targeted VRP. I find it extremely comical that so many of his cronies have jumped on my back about such a relatively small item.
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Just so you know, I have absolutely no idea who in the hell makes what for these cars. I could really care less. Why? Because we already have a game plan for the 6.2s and it has NOTHING to do with anyone else's path. We do not follow, we blaze our own trail, always have which is why we stand behind everything we sell.
Finally, I absolutely stated that most phenolics will leak over time, also that most phenolics are .5" thick. Are VRPs .5" thick? No Do they leak? I don't know. Well maybe, just maybe, they can be included in the minority of thermal spacers that work...The point is I never said otherwise and never specifically targeted VRP. I find it extremely comical that so many of his cronies have jumped on my back about such a relatively small item.
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The vast majority of phenolic spacers are right at 1/2" thick and most if not all eventually leak due to the materials used. You can state your opinion all day long, but I simply don't agree based on my personal experience--and if you want to talk tech pick a topic reg. the IC engine and let's see who really knows what. If you want more opinions simply browse the tech boards for any make of car around.
I also see that you carry your own phenolics and they are severely overpriced. I guess I should've expected a post like this from you.
For future reference (because we're going to be bringing out a LOT of new products that perform in the next 2 weeks and beyond) please refrain from posting in my threads, and I'll pay you the same courtesy.
BTW, how did you make the jump from catering to Ford Tauri (SHO Shop) to Mercedes/AMGs?
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I also see that you carry your own phenolics and they are severely overpriced. I guess I should've expected a post like this from you.
For future reference (because we're going to be bringing out a LOT of new products that perform in the next 2 weeks and beyond) please refrain from posting in my threads, and I'll pay you the same courtesy.
BTW, how did you make the jump from catering to Ford Tauri (SHO Shop) to Mercedes/AMGs?
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Here was where you said that "Your own phenolics...are severely overpriced". I thought you said that. Oh, you said you never called his Tune overpriced. Right. Z
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I know I said I'm going to bed, and I don't want to be the "last word guy", but let the record state I am no way one of Vadim's cronies. If your stuff is good, you will sell it here. If your stuff is good but you act like a jerk, I assume you will sell less of it. Since my guess is you want to sell more of it, I would take the high road, dyno your stuff, and sell so much of your performance mojo you won't even be able to balance your checkbook because money will be coming in so fast. There is plenty of room for anyone who makes MB's faster, but this group seems to demolish guys with attitude. Except for JRCart. He has attitude but his car is stinking fast so no one has destroyed him. In fact, I suspect half the guys coming to MIR are coming to watch him run, and the other half are coming to beat him. But I digress... Don't say I didn't warn you! Ok, I'll wait up five more minutes for you to respond, and then I'll go to bed, just to be fair. Z
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I'll also be at MIR on 11/15 and will be glad to speak with anyone regarding anything MB/AMG related; in fact I'll be handing my own keys out to my ECU/TCU tuned C63 so others can experience what we have to offer first hand. I may come off harsh on the boards, as I'd rather use 10 words instead of 1000 and I'm a highly competitive individual, but you'll never find anyone that says I didn't deliver either.
In closing, watch out for that jrcart guy, my magic 8 ball says he's going to have a rocket on his hands.
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That's a fair response and I have no issues with it. The only thing is you can't dyno thermal intake spacers. ![Stick Out Tongue](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
I'll also be at MIR on 11/15 and will be glad to speak with anyone regarding anything MB/AMG related; in fact I'll be handing my own keys out to my ECU/TCU tuned C63 so others can experience what we have to offer first hand. I may come off harsh on the boards, as I'd rather use 10 words instead of 1000 and I'm a highly competitive individual, but you'll never find anyone that says I didn't deliver either.
In closing, watch out for that jrcart guy, my magic 8 ball says he's going to have a rocket on his hands.![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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I'll also be at MIR on 11/15 and will be glad to speak with anyone regarding anything MB/AMG related; in fact I'll be handing my own keys out to my ECU/TCU tuned C63 so others can experience what we have to offer first hand. I may come off harsh on the boards, as I'd rather use 10 words instead of 1000 and I'm a highly competitive individual, but you'll never find anyone that says I didn't deliver either.
In closing, watch out for that jrcart guy, my magic 8 ball says he's going to have a rocket on his hands.
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