MHP

If my attitude seems unjustified to you, feel free to fire away. The rest of your post seems to be you attempting to explain your reasoning for going off for apparently no reason at all. Whatever floats your boat. Just pray you never run into a customer of mine with similar mods.

LZH

LOL - Thanks for proving my point for me. You are late to the game becasue you are trying to sell a product THAT DOES THE SAME THING. And as far as what you have coming....well, nice job giving up what you have up your sleeve ace; you really are a marketing guru aren't you ??? Evidenced by the fact that you say:
"I have absolutely no idea who in the hell makes what for these cars. I could really care less. Why? Because we already have a game plan for the 6.2s and it has NOTHING to do with anyone else's path. We do not follow, we blaze our own trail, always have which is why we stand behind everything we sell. "
Wow, what a pioneer you are....You have absolutly no clue who your competition is and what they are producing ??? Genius way to do business, Andy. I've been involved in professional racing for about 20 years (funny I've never heard of MHP) and making sure you know what your competition is up to is very important; and not something that is limited to the racing industry. Clearly, you haven't figred that out yet.
So, keep telling us all how you are going to revolutionize AMG tuning and put all the other guys out of business. Right now, you simply come off as a brash douchebag who needs to learn a little tact. Perhaps being an A hole around the shop works....but you will soon find out it doesn't go over well in this meduim. Best of luck, you're gonna need it.

MHP

A few basic trivia questions (for ****s and giggles) for members and vendors alike:

1) Explain the difference between 2v and 4v airflow and the advantages/disadvantages of each.

2a) Why is a billet 4340 connecting rod stronger than a forged 4340 rod?

2b) What's stronger and why, a forged or billet Ti rod?

3) What are the ultimate limiting factors (potential power production) for a turbo or supercharged motor?

4) What are the ultimate limiting factors (potential power production) for a N/A street driven motor?

5) With stock TCU programming, how much can the oem torque converter actually lock on a 7A (W7A700)?

rarfinancial

Hey guys, What's up I have spoke to Andy on the phone and he seems like a very stand up guy. He seems to know his stuff. I also know Vadim very well and he is also a very stand up guy. What we have here is pure love in the forum You guys all came running to Vadim's rescue with a FORCE .. Just goes to show that we are a very close group .. We are all here for the same reason we are MODAHOLICS We all have our own way of stating our opinions.. There is a very well liked forum member that states his opinion as he sees it and at first he would seem to be a very harsh opinionated guy but in the end you see he is a real nice guy, I am sure you all know who I am talking about any one? Well enough said, I would like to welcome you Andy to the forum As most know around here I will try just about any new mod out, I look forward to trying the TCU & will state my opinion as I see it.. Gotta go now, PARRIS HILTON just ran by my Dealership Naked Keep up the good work guys!

MHP

What genre of professional racing have you been involved with for 20 years and in what capacity?
Let me break it down for you big guy, and keep in mind I wasn't a marketing major. The reason I don't care what others have already done is simple, I don't like Pizza Hut. If my brand of pizza tastes better, has less fat, and is less expensive than the other brands, it's going to sell no matter what you or anyone else says. The bottom line is my products deliver, you can do your own researching into our track record for proof. No one on this forum has made the kind of power we have with a 2v, 3v, or 4v, regardless of make/model, power adder or none.
The fact is I'm not the one that derailed this thread, started name calling, etc. It was you and a select few other individuals that obviously have a thing for VRP. Good for you, but I'm not sweating losing you as a customer for a second. Are we finished here?

MHP

Thanks for the level headed response Rick, I definitely look forward to working with you as well.

Andy

aleksandar1099

Nice.....

NXtremeJeep

I don't care much for the pissing contest going on here. MHP - Lets see some of your data from your third party testing. I agree with you in that the pricing for aftermarket products for AMG's are ridiculous. You seem to know your stuff and my brother, who have SRT vehicles, have heard good things about you. So, I'm very interested to see what you have to offer for us AMG guys.

Not to hijack the thread, but do you have any modifications (pulley, headers, exhaust, heads) planned for the 55 kompressor motor?

take care

MHP

Fair enough. Data will be posted by the testers themselves (IMO that's the most objective way to pass it on) as soon as they're done assimilating it. There will be both dyno/track data as well as subjective commentary. Thanks for your patience, we've put a lot of time and effort into the reflashes. Aside from quicker/firmer and absolutely consistant WOT shifting, we can remove/eliminate tq management and have actually gained significant power without touching the ECU.

Yes, first up is TCU/ECU tuning, and thermal intake gaskets. We're debating on whether or not to port the heads and offer larger sticks as there are more effective mods to do to a PD blower equipped vehicle, we're probably going to focus on those mods first.

nrgy

Hey MHP, I justed wanted to say as another fellow C63 owner I am very excited to see what you have planned for the 6.2 engine. I look forward to your progress and results, and it sounds like you have a great deal of knowledge to make it all happen.

I also just wanted to say, I, along with many others, have a lot of respect for what VRP and Vadim have done for the AMG community. I look forward to their future developements as well, and as a future mod consumer and member of this board, I hope to see both of you guys do well here!

MHP

Thank you for an excellent post. Obviously there is room for more than one successful shop in this market, and I wish everyone (except RennTech) the best of luck.
Tell you what, I'll accept the blame for not taking the time to see "who made/makes what" beforehand if we can all just let bygones be bygones.

MB_Forever

MHP, I've always liked (and learned a lot from) your posts and respected you as a tuner since even your early posts, but to me, in this case, it seems you were the aggressor. I certainly appreciate you explaining the difference between the two types of products and the pros and cons of each product to people who are less technically knowledgeable (at least mechanically) like myself and others. However, please remember that Vadim has been on this board since its creation, and has went out of his way on many occasions to help many AMG enthusiasts mod and fix their cars. He is a very stand up guy and never let down a customer as well. Having said that, I believe the forum is big enough for multiple tuners to co-exist, which equals a big variety for AMG owners, and I think the tuner with the best product will eventually make it through.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I appreciate your efforts in tuning our cars and look forward to your products

stevebez

How is the TCU / torque limiting software modded? I am in the UK and am wondering if the software can be programmed in remotely i.e. via ODBII or similar or is it a hardwired update thats needed?

Also what is the cost?

For E55 of course ...

supre55

Evosport and LET also sell them.

I purchased a set of the evo spacers, and had a hell of a time getting my Renntech box back on, even after cutting off the grommits, because they are too thick... you simply have a difficult time aligning the throat of the box with the throttle body. While everything appears to fit, it is not near as tight of a fit as before (need a sleeve or something). I also have not seen any measureable drop in IAT even with many data logging runs with and without the spacers. Maybe the sensor is located upstream of the surge tanks? Maybe they don't work? If these work at reducing IAT, evidenced by IAT datalogging, I'm in.... and I suspect lots more here will be as well.

Play nice in the sand box kids, or recess will be over.

jjtoma

The more MB tuners, the merrier! I am for price competion! For so long, MB owners were overcharged.

MHP

Understood, and likewise I appreciate your posts and the time you've taken to post.

MHP

We reflash it in house. The good news is we don't need the TCU that's in your car, we can use a spare and ship it to you so there's no down time. Final cost hasn't been decided yet but I would expect stage I tuning (what 90% are going to want) to be around $1500-1750. Stage II tuning starts at $2500 and can go past $3500 for something completely custom. The price is representative of the number of hours it takes (and TCU reflashes are very time/labor intensive). A typical stage I TCU will take around 15-17.5hrs, with a custom stage II checking in at or over 35hrs.

Thanks
Andy

SSM AMG

Can we see a car with the TCU reflashed like on youtube, I would love to see how the car behaves.

jrcart

About 10 people come to mind...actually, more like 20 come to mind LOL! Should we start comparing lists and narrow it down?

MHP

Yes, I will personally post a video of my C63 with both ECU/TCU tuning next week. I can already tell you the car is absolutely WICKED, nothing like stock.

Thanks
Andy

MB_Forever

I can't wait, I've been waiting for something to fix the shift points for years now ....

jangy

I wasn't going to say much but I'll go ahead and call here.

Rick bro, he is NOTHING like me. There is a difference being yickitty yacking and pushing an agenda. But, thanks for the compliment.

Andy: Plain and simple, post the data. What you are seeming to not get is that we simply do not believe that you can tune MBs. We all know about the MB parts in Chrysler cars and Chrysler making MB's parts. You bring up lots of technical jargon, but have NEVER even begun to address how you jumped from an SRT-8 to an AMG? The two trannys may have similar TQ loads, but does that mean they both use the same electronic code?

POST THE DATA. You better watch that defense of freedom of speech, because we love to sniff out a wanna be.

to those that are paying this sponsor money, shame. I'd rather have a slow car than to buy from someone that acts like this IN a sponsor thread no less.

To the mods, sorry for the OT but the OP took it there.

MHP

Like I said before, not worried at all about the doubters. The proof is in the pudding which is otw. BTW, when you reference "we" who exactly are you talking about? You and?

The codes are very similar but not the same. Which is why it took us an extra 6 weeks to "crack" all the TCU/ECU variables in MB ECUs/TCUs.

I'm not watching it, I'm counting on it, and obviously, I'm not afraid to bite back either. Let me ask you a question. How much crow are you prepared to eat after I post vids, track and dyno results from not just my car but several others as well?

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Enjoy your slow ride. If you're going to MIR on 11/15 maybe we can line up next to each other and let the products themselves do the "talking".

For the life of me I simply cannot see how you can blame me for the thread derailing. Why VRP even posted in this thread (as I never cited them or their products) is a mystery to me and seemed to be the instigating factor.
If you would take the time to read the thread you would probably also notice that the pissing match is over and there's simply no need to attempt to relight the fire. You want results, they're coming, end of story.

MHP

I've had my TCU in and out for over 7 revisions in the past 3 weeks as we nailed down the final calibrations. Trust me when I say you will not be disappointed in any way shape or form.

Jon2007E63P30

So I read the thread and it is my opinion that this was the first inflamatory statement.

But it looks like things are getting under control.

MODS, I think you probably can develop some better posting guidelines for your sponsors based upon this thread.

MHP, I will be interested to see the data once you get it. Since you are getting into the TCU, some hints for you on the E-Class.
Many have seen that from a dead stop accel, that the tranny shifts a little early from 1-2. Of course this could be a limitation of the hardware to cut it closer due to the quickly rising RPMs in 1st at WOT. If you accelerate slower, you will shift at the redline. On the flip side, I have also had the tranny hit the rev limiter when in S and the gear selector was in 1st. This is usually when you are holding RPMs at say 4K and then punch it. The RPMs climb faster than the tranny can deal with and you hit the rev limiter. This is not ALL E's but it has been an issue for a number of them.

The other issue to look into is the dead accelerator pedal when down shifting to a stop and then hitting the throttle. Literally as long as half a second can go by with the throttle on the floor and nothing happens. To cause this problem to occur you need to be doing engine braking down shifts so RPMs hit say 5K on the down shift and then once in first, as the RPMs come close to idle, hit the throttle. It's gotta be emissions related. A number of people have had this problem and I have not heard of any update from MB.