Update: MHP ECU/TCU Tuning (Throttle Blipping, etc, DONE!)
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In time we will all know exactly what the output of Andy's tunes really are. Until then it's all speculation. I personally don't think those turbos can support 690 RWHP or 1200 rear wheel torque. What's important to me is that the car's tune allows it to perform to its full potential. There are plenty ways to add power to a V12 twin turbo platform.
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In time we will all know exactly what the output of Andy's tunes really are. Until then it's all speculation. I personally don't think those turbos can support 690 RWHP or 1200 rear wheel torque. What's important to me is that the car's tune allows it to perform to its full potential. There are plenty ways to add power to a V12 twin turbo platform.
I guess I may be gun shy because I've already been through one engine rebuild...we just need more time, patience, and data. I hope MHP is successful but if the other issues aren't addressed as part of a package then the "full potential" of the 65 (or even the 55 platform) will never truly acheived.
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I'd like to think that we are/were on the same page as far as MHP "proving it" to the masses. If I weren't as skeptical as you, I wouldn't have questioned MHP's warranty policy. The result was you telling me I was crazy for wanting that info and expecting that MHP would stand by their customers if there was a problem. I'm glad that you have all the money in the world to burn on the crappy "tuning" you are getting elsewhere that leads you to believe the costs of modding include "blown motors" and "voided warranties". I personally am all done with those that offer nothing and know full well that the first dealer that gets a look at the car will "status 8" the vehicle. That might be OK for those that are already out of warranty, but there are a lot of board members who are not. Costs and warranty aside, I'm beginning to think that if you decide to mod, it might make more sense in the long run to stick with those that either warrant their work, or have enough of a relationship with one or more MB dealers to preserve the factory warranty. There's no reason this can't happen. You don't void the factory warranty on a brand new Tahoe with an ECU tune (ask me how I know). If Andy and MHP can negotiate something that makes dealers comfortable enough to offer the tuning, that speaks volumes. It's the dealers who decide what constitutes flagging a car with a "status 8". It's after that event that MBUSA gets involved to decide any and all future warranty claims on a car so flagged. I'm patiently waiting to see dyno's as well. If MHP isn't the "real deal", we'll know soon enough, relax. 
Yes, my RUF 996 turbo was as you put it "Crappy", RUF just keep turning out garbage year after year after year. LOL.
Like I said before, dealers have absolutely ZERO say in anthing having to do with factory warranties, but you seem to be the resident expert so can you please ask Andy which dealerships he is talking to so I can contact them about a Full Factory Warrany tune for my car. I have asked him for this information twice and he is not very forth coming with the info. Come to think of it he is not very forth coming with any info.
I have read this entire thread, Andy sounds like a very smart person (no sarcasm), he sounds like he really knows his stuff about cars and more specificaly the electroincs/computer side of it, but on countless occasions on this thread when approached with legitimate, good questions from other members he has either attacked them or avoided the question all together. EXAMPLE; Member CHICAGOX asked him what he meant by other tuners tunes being "archaic", Andy avoided it with a smarty pants "No comment" answer. He might have a few trade secrets that he does not want to disclose and I can appreciate that but it sounds like he is the new tuner on the block so he should expect people to ask some questions before they hand him $6000 and the "brain" to their beloved automobiles.
I still can't understand why you all made me out to be a bad guy for asking one simple question in a very polite way. Some of you might choose to live your lives wearing blinders, but I prefer to tread more carefully and be a little bit more aware of what is going on around me. I cam eto this board 4 weeks ago seeking advice on a car that is new to me, all I get are stabs jabs and attacked.
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Then perhaps you need to step away from the computer and realize you are new here and coming off as someone who is asking too much. Andy has not dodged any questions. Sure, he has been curt in his replies....but did you think he was going to tell everyone including his competitors EXACTLY how he has done what he has done ?? I mean come on dude be realistic. He has answered all your questions, too. Your questions about reliability as well. Give it a rest and just sit tight and wait for the rest of the development to come out. Until then you are simply being impatient.
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Too stupid to realize exactly WHAT ??? That the guy may be busy ? That he is waiting for the dyno sheets to be sent to him by someone else???? I'm sorry, what are we not realizing ??? Seems to me you are the only retard here that does not realize the obvious. Don't you think if he had the dyno sheets he would post them ??? God, some people really are just impossible to deal with.
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He Einstein, maybe there are no dyno sheets to begin with! Besides that I don't buy the "he might be busy" excuse would work for a day or two, but Andy has plenty of time to be posting on this and other threads, posting a chart would take all of 3 minutes. I might be new to this forum but I have been on Porsche and BMW boards for years, Andy would not be the first guy to make up a story he could not back up, would he?. Even VIC55 (moderator) is calling him out and asking to see charts but I don't see you guys flaming him.
In so many words you just called Andy a liar. When he DOES post the dyno sheets, I assume you are going to apologize ??? You've already said you won't buy his product, WTF are you still doing here besides acting like a moron ?? Do you really think Andy is conjuring up this story only to shoot himself in the foot ??? Did you not see the videos ?? Have you not seen the other dyno sheets posted ??? WHAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING ????
Clearly you have way too much free time and you don't even have an AMG 65 so WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ??? You have a 63....he has posted 63 numbers for your application. You need to say thank you and shut your pie hole or just relax and have a little patience.
And as far as Vic's replies to Andy, most if not all have been written with a fair amount of tounge and cheek so give it a rest. And we are not attacking Vic because he in not insinuating that Andy is LYING....
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Let's just hope that Andy has a much better relationship with the dealers he is working with instead of that dyno shop he can't even get an email from. 
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1) A Bosch $300K Dynometer?
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
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I guess it's a good thing the masses put so much stock in dyno numbers. 
1) A Bosch $300K Dynometer?
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
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1) A Bosch $300K Dynometer?
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
2) Location: Michigan?
3) '09 Mercedes Benz S65?
4) ECU done by MHP?
5) S65 owner having the dyno done by someone he knows?
6) Trouble getting the dyno file?
Sounds like the dyno facility is even bigger than Andy!
I am sure EVERYONE will be SPEECHLESS when they FINALLY see the dyno file that was done CORRECTLY.
It is sooooooooooooooo hard to keep a secret Andy!
Would anyone like to take a guess where it was dyno'ed?
HINT: #2
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You really need to let this go. Most internet BS artists are VERY THROUGH. If I were a BS'er.....it would take me about 30mins to photoshop a graph. then I'd go to the local library or a friends house--register a new account(different ip) and post the graph extolling the virtues of Andy and his tuning. Since this is a guy that never posts it would seem legit that his 1st ever post is about this subject. Then to ice the cake---Id call my buddy(Gustav) with a M5 and film a "real street race" where the tuned car DEMOLISHES the M5.
Andy has done zero of these kind of things. The fact that he posted less than mindboggeling 1/4 times. The fact that he keeps waiting for someone to send him a dyno even though everyone is waiting and its making him look bad seems much more like a person trying to do something legitimately.
just my 2 cents.
You really need to let this go. Most internet BS artists are VERY THROUGH. If I were a BS'er.....it would take me about 30mins to photoshop a graph. then I'd go to the local library or a friends house--register a new account(different ip) and post the graph extolling the virtues of Andy and his tuning. Since this is a guy that never posts it would seem legit that his 1st ever post is about this subject. Then to ice the cake---Id call my buddy(Gustav) with a M5 and film a "real street race" where the tuned car DEMOLISHES the M5.
Andy has done zero of these kind of things. The fact that he posted less than mindboggeling 1/4 times. The fact that he keeps waiting for someone to send him a dyno even though everyone is waiting and its making him look bad seems much more like a person trying to do something legitimately.
just my 2 cents.
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but on countless occasions on this thread when approached with legitimate, good questions from other members he has either attacked them or avoided the question all together. EXAMPLE; Member CHICAGOX asked him what he meant by other tuners tunes being "archaic", Andy avoided it with a smarty pants "No comment" answer. He might have a few trade secrets that he does not want to disclose and I can appreciate that but it sounds like he is the new tuner on the block so he should expect people to ask some questions before they hand him $6000 and the "brain" to their beloved automobiles.
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If ChicagoX really wants to find out why we say PC tunes are archaic he's more than welcome to come to MIR or Columbus (3-4 weeks) for a track rental race where he can line up and see first hand the reality of the situation.
Again Roman I never attacked you or anyone that didn't come at me first, and I'm really beginning to believe (based on your post count and your constant spin of all my statements) that you are a competitor and/or are linked to a competing business.
Mods, can we get an IP check please?
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He Einstein, maybe there are no dyno sheets to begin with! Besides that I don't buy the "he might be busy" excuse would work for a day or two, but Andy has plenty of time to be posting on this and other threads, posting a chart would take all of 3 minutes. I might be new to this forum but I have been on Porsche and BMW boards for years, Andy would not be the first guy to make up a story he could not back up, would he?. Even VIC55 (moderator) is calling him out and asking to see charts but I don't see you guys flaming him.
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He Einstein, maybe there are no dyno sheets to begin with! Besides that I don't buy the "he might be busy" excuse would work for a day or two, but Andy has plenty of time to be posting on this and other threads, posting a chart would take all of 3 minutes. I might be new to this forum but I have been on Porsche and BMW boards for years, Andy would not be the first guy to make up a story he could not back up, would he?. Even VIC55 (moderator) is calling him out and asking to see charts but I don't see you guys flaming him.
Listen u stubby fargin corksucker - stop being a pain the **** u bastage.
Seriously Bro - I'm rollin up my sleeves and cracking my knuckles - ask anyone here what that means for you. Anyone care to tell him???
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Jay,
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
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Jay,
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
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Jay,
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
Offer accepted, let's get it on at MIR. What mods do you have so we can find a car that's as close to yours as possible for the sake of comparison? Full disclosure please, you'll be allowed to go over the MHP tuned vehicle as well.
To the competition, we're also looking to run vehicles similar to these vehicles with MHP tuning:
1) Stock E55
2) Stage IV E55
3) Stock longblock C63
4) CL65
5) H/C & stock longblock CLK BS 63
We want to own as many records as possible no later than 11/15, end of story.
We have also decided to do a custom dyno tune day one Saturday in October (likely the last weekend of the month) in Columbus, OH. We'll use the in house Mustang Dyno (eddy current/load bearing) at our shop and will also be able to do pulls on the street. Customers that aren't satisfied with their post tune #s will not have to pay a dime despite us taking the time to tune the vehicle and use the dyno.
We are also trying to book the track (National Trail, and yes, we'll make them use VHT) on Sunday (day after tuning) as there are some local Vette's and other domestics that have absolutey no respect for MBs and need to be taught a lesson, also obviously so tuned owners can test their newfound power. I'll be starting a new thread this week when we nail down a firm date.
Thanks
Andy
Q: Did the 2009 S65 you just flashed w/ECU, read 630ish rwhp PRE-tune?
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Yes, my RUF 996 turbo was as you put it "Crappy", RUF just keep turning out garbage year after year after year. LOL.
Like I said before, dealers have absolutely ZERO say in anthing having to do with factory warranties, but you seem to be the resident expert so can you please ask Andy which dealerships he is talking to so I can contact them about a Full Factory Warrany tune for my car. I have asked him for this information twice and he is not very forth coming with the info. Come to think of it he is not very forth coming with any info.
I have read this entire thread, Andy sounds like a very smart person (no sarcasm), he sounds like he really knows his stuff about cars and more specificaly the electroincs/computer side of it, but on countless occasions on this thread when approached with legitimate, good questions from other members he has either attacked them or avoided the question all together. EXAMPLE; Member CHICAGOX asked him what he meant by other tuners tunes being "archaic", Andy avoided it with a smarty pants "No comment" answer. He might have a few trade secrets that he does not want to disclose and I can appreciate that but it sounds like he is the new tuner on the block so he should expect people to ask some questions before they hand him $6000 and the "brain" to their beloved automobiles.
I still can't understand why you all made me out to be a bad guy for asking one simple question in a very polite way. Some of you might choose to live your lives wearing blinders, but I prefer to tread more carefully and be a little bit more aware of what is going on around me. I cam eto this board 4 weeks ago seeking advice on a car that is new to me, all I get are stabs jabs and attacked.
Like I said before, dealers have absolutely ZERO say in anthing having to do with factory warranties, but you seem to be the resident expert so can you please ask Andy which dealerships he is talking to so I can contact them about a Full Factory Warrany tune for my car. I have asked him for this information twice and he is not very forth coming with the info. Come to think of it he is not very forth coming with any info.
I have read this entire thread, Andy sounds like a very smart person (no sarcasm), he sounds like he really knows his stuff about cars and more specificaly the electroincs/computer side of it, but on countless occasions on this thread when approached with legitimate, good questions from other members he has either attacked them or avoided the question all together. EXAMPLE; Member CHICAGOX asked him what he meant by other tuners tunes being "archaic", Andy avoided it with a smarty pants "No comment" answer. He might have a few trade secrets that he does not want to disclose and I can appreciate that but it sounds like he is the new tuner on the block so he should expect people to ask some questions before they hand him $6000 and the "brain" to their beloved automobiles.
I still can't understand why you all made me out to be a bad guy for asking one simple question in a very polite way. Some of you might choose to live your lives wearing blinders, but I prefer to tread more carefully and be a little bit more aware of what is going on around me. I cam eto this board 4 weeks ago seeking advice on a car that is new to me, all I get are stabs jabs and attacked.
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MHP asked for the Highest HP 65....
one person said ~575rwhp and showed a graph
then another said ~610rwhp without a graph.
then Jay made the statement about dyno problems.
Mhp replied that the dyno operaters know what theyre doing
Now we have this 630whp pretune number as stated by Jaycl600.
So what did we miss?
