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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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Exclamation MHP's 63 tune is the REAL DEAL!

I just received the ECU/TCU from Andy/Dave(MHP) for JT55's CLK 63 BS and, according to the first impression with my a$$ dyno, the car is INCREDIBLE and much stronger than the previous tune.

I swapped out the previous ECU that had another tuner's software with the one I just got and the difference is amazing. Andy and Dave told me to "romp the ***** out of it for the first 20 miles so the TCU can adapt" so that is what I did. It just kept feeling better and better every time I launched the car. They also told me that after 200 miles the car will reach its full adaptive potential. That should be something else!

JT, like I told you last night, your car is going to be WICKED!

The car will be dynoed after all of the other mods are complete but the impression from my a$$ dyno is there is no comparison with the other tuner's software especially with now being able to lay down a rolling 45ft 1-2 stretch in sport mode with feathering/partial throttle!

DISCLAIMER: Please remember that this is my first impression of MHP's tune, but I have extensive experience with wickedly fast cars that I've built/owned and know when something makes this kind of difference with just my "feel" for it and not having dyno numbers to back up my claims.

You will not be disappointed with this tune and Andy told me that he would refund my $ if it didn't live up to what he said. It lived up to it and actually surpassed what I was expecting which is nice since most tuners fall short of their claims.

Nice work guys!
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Who was that. Even a hint?

Glad it's running strong.
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Who was that. Even a hint?
Out of my respect for the other tuner and because this is just my "feel" and not backed up with dyno numbers(I know everyone makes such a big deal about them even though it is soooooooooo easy to fudge dyno numbers) I am not at liberty to say.

Wait until you see what they've done to your ECU/TCU. I am sure it will blow your mind. Let us all know when you get your beast breathing fire with your MHP tune.
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Nice to hear some people now giving impressions of the MHP tuning. That speaks volumes. BTW - why do you have JT's car ?? Can you let us in on the mods being done ??
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Nice to hear some people now giving impressions of the MHP tuning. That speaks volumes. BTW - why do you have JT's car ?? Can you let us in on the mods being done ??

JT and I have spoken extensively about all of the companies that have products for this particular car and have tested quite a few of them and believe we have the best performance tuning package available for this platform except for the heads and cam package that Jim is doing to his beast.

We are looking forward to Ohio and MIR and that will be the ultimate proving ground for our concerted effort on JT's BS. After MIR I am sure everyone will know what we have as far as mods go. STAY TUNED!
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tuningtechnician
...I know everyone makes such a big deal about them even though it is soooooooooo easy to fudge dyno numbers...
not everyone makes a big deal about dyno numbers...but at least they're better than "feel".
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
not everyone makes a big deal about dyno numbers...but at least they're better than "feel".
You need to get a life dude. It's funny to see guys like you who questioned MHP's abilty to provide a great package and now that we have actual users posting their first hand impressions all you can come up with is snide remarks like the above.
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 11:17 PM
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Not to discredit any of this, but isn't tuning technician very friendly with MHP already? Sort of like someone on the same team that could be viewed as biased?
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LZH
Nice to hear some people now giving impressions of the MHP tuning. That speaks volumes. BTW - why do you have JT's car ?? Can you let us in on the mods being done ??
Are you kidding me?
This guy is the biggest shill on the board for MHP. For the record, I hope MHP continues to raise the performance bar, it benefits all of us.

I'm happy to see dyno data, or strip results but not purely subjective commentary from the #1 groupie.

IMO, tuningtech does nothing to enhance MHP's status. Nothing.

Others may see it differently, but his previous fawning posts make it impossible for me to accept his opinion as anything near objective.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
Not to discredit any of this, but isn't tuning technician very friendly with MHP already? Sort of like someone on the same team that could be viewed as biased?
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....6&postcount=23
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 04:10 AM
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For the record tuningtech isn't talking about my (MHP's) v3 tune in the post linked above.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
Not to discredit any of this, but isn't tuning technician very friendly with MHP already? Sort of like someone on the same team that could be viewed as biased?
Bruce is my NY/NJ area distributor, however if you know him at all you'd have no problem agreeing with the fact that he speaks his mind, whether you or I jive with it or not.

Bruce's experience (soon to be John's experience) with our tuning is the first of many threads/posts you'll see in the very near future. If you don't believe what he has to say, something tells me the next five member's commentary just may.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LZH
You need to get a life dude. It's funny to see guys like you who questioned MHP's abilty to provide a great package and now that we have actual users posting their first hand impressions all you can come up with is snide remarks like the above.
actual user my ***. seriously...stfu b*tch and quit sucking up. i'm all for mhp succeeding but all i did was make a legit comment about the fact that i and many others don't put much stock in dyno numbers and even less in subective, worthless, *** dynos impressions from employed cheerleeders. forgive me if i believe in REAL performance numbers such as 1/4mile stats.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
actual user my ***. seriously...stfu b*tch and quit sucking up. i'm all for mhp succeeding but all i did was make a legit comment about the fact that i and many others don't put much stock in dyno numbers and even less in subective, worthless, *** dynos impressions from employed cheerleeders. forgive me if i believe in REAL performance numbers such as 1/4mile stats.
I see where you are coming from Chiro, but 1/4mile stats have been provided.
I enjoy hearing your thoughts on things so lets keep it
Only thing now is the test of time/ reliability, and if these are covered it looks pretty good to be honest

oh and the timing graphs you wanted to see...but i guess some one will have to get it and test it there selves to see that
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
Not to discredit any of this, but isn't tuning technician very friendly with MHP already? Sort of like someone on the same team that could be viewed as biased?
I will have my tune back from MHP late next week, I will let you guys know what I think. I think I am going to be able to give some good feedback, I have run my car with a stock tune, a Powerchip tune and now the MHP tune, I think my feedback will be most valubale to everyone. I will give you all honest and open feedback. I told Andy to go for broke and tune EVERYTHING for max HP, torque and the fastest shifts possible.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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I told Andy to go for broke and tune EVERYTHING for max HP, torque and the fastest shifts possible.
If this is the case, please dont spray your motor.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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I see where you are coming from Chiro, but 1/4mile stats have been provided.
I enjoy hearing your thoughts on things so lets keep it
Only thing now is the test of time/ reliability, and if these are covered it looks pretty good to be honest

oh and the timing graphs you wanted to see...but i guess some one will have to get it and test it there selves to see that
i would love to keep things but when when lzh comes here and tries to tell us "first impressions from actual user" bs when he knows full well tuningtechnician is a business partner with mhp, it's more insulting than him telling me to get a life.

the only 1/4mi stats i've seen provided were on one car and i personally don't believe the numbers were that impressive...at least not above and beyond what i expect any tuned c63 would/could/should do. so it would be nice to get more real data (even if his butt dyno is that accurate). you and i both have been here long enough to hear a lot of people rave about some mod that later proves to be worth nothing near the hype.
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Id like to see some more empirical results ... the sampling at this current time is too small.

I love that the OP is happy but could this all be placebo effects to justify the payout... we shall see.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey

the only 1/4mi stats i've seen provided were on one car and i personally don't believe the numbers were that impressive...at least not above and beyond what i expect any tuned c63 would/could/should do. so it would be nice to get more real data (even if his butt dyno is that accurate). you and i both have been here long enough to hear a lot of people rave about some mod that later proves to be worth nothing near the hype.
My response is not meant in an argumentative manner, so please don't take it as such, I'm simply posting some facts.

Another member w/ C63 "mthis" just ran his car at ATCO (which everyone knows is a fast sea level track) last Friday. https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w204/265512-track-results.html

From his posts it appears he has over 2x the miles on his C63 as I do mine, 275 Continentals out back, and air filters on which has has cut sub 2.00 60's. His best pass last week was 12.5@112.25. My best stock time/trap (out of the 5 passes I made stock + filters) was 12.89@111.44 on a 2.04 60': https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...=results+track
It's also a known fact that unless you can change gearing by adding torque multiplication via gearing and/or a higher stall converter in an automatic equipped car (whereas with a stick you can simply bring up the revs, feather the clutch longer, and also throw in numerically higher rear gearing) you're going to lose MPH in trap speed. Somehow even with sticky MT DRs we've managed to run back to back 12.02s @ 118.18/118.78. That's an uncorrected difference of -.87 in ET and +7.34mph, a corrected difference of -.60 in ET and +4.65mph (remember gains in trap speeds are also hindered by DRs).

the only 1/4mi stats i've seen provided were on one car and i personally don't believe the numbers were that impressive...at least not above and beyond what i expect any tuned c63 would/could/should do.
If every other tuner out there thinks they can get the same results, all they need to do is get one running example to the track. How hard can that be? After all this time we're the only ones dyno/track testing and loaning our car out for other customers/members to drive? Does anyone else see something wrong with that? This is the very reason I've called for a tuner shootout for mos now and have had absolutely nothing back from anyone. It's actually rather sad... As I'm sure you'll agree, would/could/should is not even close to the same as "has done" or "already did".
I can understand the want and need for more objective data, and believe me, it's on its way. There will be more than enough of it for you or anyone to make their own educated decision as to whether or not we deliver as promised.

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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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I love that the OP is happy but could this all be placebo effects to justify the payout... we shall see.
Again, not trying to start another pissing contest but if the car can lay tire through second gear at part throttle now but couldn't before, it should give you a basic indication of what's going on. Agreed, dyno/track results are far more important, but they are on the way as well. This was simply a first impression post IMO. Lots more to come...

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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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If this is the case, please dont spray your motor.
Got it covered.

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If this is the case, please dont spray your motor.
Ahmad....don't think I'm letting you off that easy. Already addressed this issue with Andy and Dave, I know the largest NOS jets I can go with with the tune I am getting. As I also stated, I am probaly just going to purchase a second ECU and have one for maximum motor only performance and another one for NOS max performance. It takes all of about 3 minutes to change out the ECU on my car.
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Originally Posted by jrcart
I will have my tune back from MHP late next week, I will let you guys know what I think. I think I am going to be able to give some good feedback, I have run my car with a stock tune, a Powerchip tune and now the MHP tune, I think my feedback will be most valubale to everyone. I will give you all honest and open feedback. I told Andy to go for broke and tune EVERYTHING for max HP, torque and the fastest shifts possible.
I was thinking someone should talk with Jrcart, but looks like he is already involved. I'll need to keep my eye out for this. Jrcart, are you going to post your impressions here or in the BS Forum?
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
actual user my ***. seriously...stfu b*tch and quit sucking up. i'm all for mhp succeeding but all i did was make a legit comment about the fact that i and many others don't put much stock in dyno numbers and even less in subective, worthless, *** dynos impressions from employed cheerleeders. forgive me if i believe in REAL performance numbers such as 1/4mile stats.
STFU B!tch ??? LOL - Just continue running your mouth you worthless punk and the results will keep rolling in, especially after MIR, and you will look like even more of a douche than you already do. Results have been posted; first hand impressions have all been positive, nothing has broken, and you are still carrying on with your negativity looking for any opening to take a pot shot. So yes, you really do need to get a life and quit acting like such a friggn pansy.
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STFU B!tch ??? LOL - Just continue running your mouth you worthless punk and the results will keep rolling in, especially after MIR, and you will look like even more of a douche than you already do. Results have been posted; first hand impressions have all been positive, nothing has broken, and you are still carrying on with your negativity looking for any opening to take a pot shot. So yes, you really do need to get a life and quit acting like such a friggn pansy.
lmao!!!

try reading what I type instead of what you want to argue for a change...it may prevent your tyrades and high blood pressure spikes. although I do understand your difficulty. it can't be easy to see with your head burried that far up andy's ***.
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