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I think something people are failing to see is that the Bush administration has been nothing more than a Democrat administration in Republican clothing. The only time he acted like a conservative was for personal gain. It all started with his father abandoning true conservative ideas of small government and removing almost all of Reagan's advisor's which earned him a one term deal. In Junior's case it got really bad because the apple fell off the worst part of the tree.
Bush Jr will go down as a modern day Richard Nixon and Obama will be new Jimmy Carter imho. Sorry to rant but just the opinion of a Crazy person waiting for a Real Republican to vote for.
All that aside if Obama winning does really end up inspiring more people in the black community to love their country and finally believe in the American dream then God bless him.
PS: Can this whole thread be moved to Offtopic where it belongs.
Bush Jr will go down as a modern day Richard Nixon and Obama will be new Jimmy Carter imho. Sorry to rant but just the opinion of a Crazy person waiting for a Real Republican to vote for.
All that aside if Obama winning does really end up inspiring more people in the black community to love their country and finally believe in the American dream then God bless him.
PS: Can this whole thread be moved to Offtopic where it belongs.
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I'm not going to spend any more time on this. The 120% was an anomaly during a specific period, and certainly wasn't sustainable. The deficit today is incomparable. The deficit spending wasn't used to help domestic issues or to help jump start the economy. Deficit spending under the bush administration could be argued as being the exact opposite of how deficit spending can beneficial.
http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/gdp.htm
At one point through the Bush admn we got to nearly 8% growth on the GDP…
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I think something people are failing to see is that the Bush administration has been nothing more than a Democrat administration in Republican clothing. The only time he acted like a conservative was for personal gain. It all started with his father abandoning true conservative ideas of small government and removing almost all of Reagan's advisor's which earned him a one term deal. In Junior's case it got really bad because the apple fell off the worst part of the tree.
Bush Jr will go down as a modern day Richard Nixon and Obama will be new Jimmy Carter imho. Sorry to rant but just the opinion of a Crazy person waiting for a Real Republican to vote for.
All that aside if Obama winning does really end up inspiring more people in the black community to love their country and finally believe in the American dream then God bless him.
PS: Can this whole thread be moved to Offtopic where it belongs.
Bush Jr will go down as a modern day Richard Nixon and Obama will be new Jimmy Carter imho. Sorry to rant but just the opinion of a Crazy person waiting for a Real Republican to vote for.
All that aside if Obama winning does really end up inspiring more people in the black community to love their country and finally believe in the American dream then God bless him.
PS: Can this whole thread be moved to Offtopic where it belongs.
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I tend to agree with marcus in that this isn't the place for politics, however, I do find it necessary to rebut some of the crazy talk.
The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.
Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
What? 
BIG BANKS? WTF are you talking about? We can compare bank staments or assets or net worth or what ever you want. You are proving yourself to be very small time yet a BIG TIME IDIOT! I know you don't have many assests, becasue if you did you would not have voted for the guy that is going to try to take all your wealth away.
BIG BANKS? WTF are you talking about? We can compare bank staments or assets or net worth or what ever you want. You are proving yourself to be very small time yet a BIG TIME IDIOT! I know you don't have many assests, becasue if you did you would not have voted for the guy that is going to try to take all your wealth away.Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
sumise you have a lot of really tan relatives with no jobs that are living off the system! Did you grow up eating the government cheese? How many abortions did your sister have? 
You are a small time, petty fool. Like I said , PM me in a couple years, and let me know what you think of Obama then!
You are a small time, petty fool. Like I said , PM me in a couple years, and let me know what you think of Obama then!
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
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I'd be interested to know what type of work you do. Suffering from a serious envy issue are we?
For you to attribute someone else's earnings ability to either just pure luck or pure greed is without a doubt the most ignorant and laughable post I've ever seen on this website (and maybe anywhere, ever). Have you ever considered the possibility that there are many, many people who are smarter than you, better educated than you, more motivated than you, work harder and longer than you do, and have different aspirations than you do? And that as a result of those factors, they earn more, maybe much more, than you do? And that those factors have nothing to do with either luck or greed?
If you're unhappy with people who earn too much according to your judgment, perhaps you can share with us how much people should be allowed to earn before it displeases you?
For you to attribute someone else's earnings ability to either just pure luck or pure greed is without a doubt the most ignorant and laughable post I've ever seen on this website (and maybe anywhere, ever). Have you ever considered the possibility that there are many, many people who are smarter than you, better educated than you, more motivated than you, work harder and longer than you do, and have different aspirations than you do? And that as a result of those factors, they earn more, maybe much more, than you do? And that those factors have nothing to do with either luck or greed?
If you're unhappy with people who earn too much according to your judgment, perhaps you can share with us how much people should be allowed to earn before it displeases you?
I'm fully aware there are much smarter and better educated people than me. As far as harder working I would put anybody to the test.
Typical of forums were people don't fully comprehend or read what is being written and my mistake for getting involved. jrcart blows up into a childish rage as usual and can't have an adult debate.
I never said no one deserves their money. I said there is a great imbalance many times and I'm sure as hell am not out there on my own in this thought. YES many people work hard and achieve great things and at the same time another person doing the same just never caught a break but none the less is educated and works hard.
As far as my comments about what did a person do to deserve what they have. Again as mentioned initially I know enough people that just took over their "established" parents business that is run by other intelligent people and now the kids live very good lives not doing anything special. This is far from saying nobody deserves a good life from hard work or achieving great things.
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I tend to agree with marcus in that this isn't the place for politics, however, I do find it necessary to rebut some of the crazy talk.
The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.
Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.
Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
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Envy? Surely not of jrcart or any guy like him.
I'm fully aware there are much smarter and better educated people than me. As far as harder working I would put anybody to the test.
Typical of forums were people don't fully comprehend or read what is being written and my mistake for getting involved. jrcart blows up into a childish rage as usual and can't have an adult debate.
I never said no one deserves their money. I said there is a great imbalance many times and I'm sure as hell am not out there on my own in this thought. YES many people work hard and achieve great things and at the same time another person doing the same just never caught a break but none the less is educated and works hard.
As far as my comments about what did a person do to deserve what they have. Again as mentioned initially I know enough people that just took over their "established" parents business that is run by other intelligent people and now the kids live very good lives not doing anything special. This is far from saying nobody deserves a good life from hard work or achieving great things.
I'm fully aware there are much smarter and better educated people than me. As far as harder working I would put anybody to the test.
Typical of forums were people don't fully comprehend or read what is being written and my mistake for getting involved. jrcart blows up into a childish rage as usual and can't have an adult debate.
I never said no one deserves their money. I said there is a great imbalance many times and I'm sure as hell am not out there on my own in this thought. YES many people work hard and achieve great things and at the same time another person doing the same just never caught a break but none the less is educated and works hard.
As far as my comments about what did a person do to deserve what they have. Again as mentioned initially I know enough people that just took over their "established" parents business that is run by other intelligent people and now the kids live very good lives not doing anything special. This is far from saying nobody deserves a good life from hard work or achieving great things.
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Now I don't deserve the money I make...and you want to tell me what I can spend it on? YOU ARE NUTS! If I want to spend my money on strippers and cars or shoes or vacations or whatever how does this become your concern?
Yes, I own a fleet of trucks, lots of trucks about 60 trucks and 200 trailers, those are trucks I PAID FOR, There are also about 60 truck drivers I employ to drive those trucks and another 8 people (mechanics) I employ to work on said trucks and another 10 people (administrative) that work in my 3 different offices in 3 different cities. I am responsible for close to 80 jobs...so tell me do I deserve the money I make now? What have you done for our economy lately? YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Yes, I own a fleet of trucks, lots of trucks about 60 trucks and 200 trailers, those are trucks I PAID FOR, There are also about 60 truck drivers I employ to drive those trucks and another 8 people (mechanics) I employ to work on said trucks and another 10 people (administrative) that work in my 3 different offices in 3 different cities. I am responsible for close to 80 jobs...so tell me do I deserve the money I make now? What have you done for our economy lately? YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Now I may be wrong and you built your business on your own and if so I apologize for my assumptions but at the same time you are still an arrogant *** IMO.
Saying that I'm sure we both have our own lives to get back to that are more important than worrying about the others.
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I tend to agree with marcus in that this isn't the place for politics, however, I do find it necessary to rebut some of the crazy talk.
The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.
Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.
Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.
Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.
It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.
You alone with your words made me change my stance on Obama...so he will be given a chance to try without a peep from me.
I didn't vote for Obama but have to say like MarcusF mention everyone there feels its time for a change. I won't benefit from McCain but I really didn't want the upper class to suffer either. I am retired but hope to own a business one day. Its easy to take handouts but extremely embarrassing I hope change does truely come cause its so hard to sell my house right now. Keeping the same would of probably amounted to nothing much especially since Reps lost more seats in the House and Senate.............thats why I feel I can welcome Obama to be our new commander and chief. EVERYONE DON'T PRESUME OBAMA WILL DO BAD FOR YOU JUST GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF
I am done with this subject.
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One more thing I can say...at the moment we have no choice cause the majority of the people afflicted by our economy made there voices heard and change happened so why not embrace it and see the results? I did!(thanks J2001)
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I am not gonna respond to your ignorant comment...you are entitled to be mad for the next 8 years cause the Reps don't have a decent or great cadidate so its eight years to give OBAMA a try...great things about forums is its all personal opinion and thats it...your voice is too puny to do anything about it except show ignorance to a fellow Republican...wake up we are in the year 2008 and a Democratic black president was elected and we have to deal with it my friend...so like I said embrace it
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Trust me, I see the bigger picture, I disagree with what is happening to people homes/mortgages, none of the banks complained earlier this decade when they were making their largest profits of all time, now they are reaping what they sewed and they come crawling and begging for a bail out from the government. These are the same banks that are now getting under 2% loans from the gov/fed reserve and are still selling the loans at 6-7% in most cases...still being greedy, If the banks really wanted to help people they would re-write loans at the lower rates to assist families in need rather than continueing to take advantage of people. I am invested enough in foreign markets that I really don't car what happens to banks in the US, in less than 5 years all the small banks are going to be gone anyhow. I am all for the small guy getting some help, especially the people that bust their asses working 2-3 jobs to support their families, If I could be promised my tax increase would help people like that I would not complain, hell I would hand deliver the checks myself. What I have a problem with is the people that have lived off the system for several generations, the ones that have 4 children from 3 different fathers, the ones that are healthy and able to work but choose not to but still expect more and more free handouts. The handouts need to stop, the Bush administration tried to curb these handouts, now I expect to see that reversed and then some.
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A business owner making $500k-$1mil a year as you eluded to already does pay a higher percentage than a teacher making $40k, approx 30% vs the teachers approx 23% tax rate. Here is a quick lesson in math. 30% (approx take rate on a guy making $500k) tax on a $500k income is $150K, right? That same teacher making $40K is paying about 23% or $9200.00, I think they are both paying there fair share, The guy making $500k is already paying over 15x more than the teacher and you people want him to pay more? In addition to that, the guy making the $500k is most likely investing a lot of his money, guess what, any interest or gains I make on the money I saved gets taxed yet again, sometimes at an even higher rate You people are nuts adn some of you need to take a better look at the big picture before speaking out on issues that you have little or no knowledge of. Emotion and passion does not equal facts and reality.
Fortunatly guys like me who are smart enough to make millions are also smart enough to create tax free safe havens and find creative and LEGAL ways to move our money to avoid some of these foolish "penelties for the wealthy" they call taxes. Don't get me wrong, I am not against all taxes, they are a necessary evil, I am not ignorant or blind to that fact, but I am already paying far more than my fair share and anyone that thinks I should be paying more is nuts.
Fortunatly guys like me who are smart enough to make millions are also smart enough to create tax free safe havens and find creative and LEGAL ways to move our money to avoid some of these foolish "penelties for the wealthy" they call taxes. Don't get me wrong, I am not against all taxes, they are a necessary evil, I am not ignorant or blind to that fact, but I am already paying far more than my fair share and anyone that thinks I should be paying more is nuts.
The rich support McCain and the super rich support Obama.
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/...support-obama/
So no, you're no smarter than anyone. The REAL rich people are all Obama supporters.
I make well above $250,000 and know I'll be taxed as another poster said, when the middle class is better, we all do better. Voting based on taxes alone is extremely stupid. Social issues? Energy? Foreign Policy? I could never vote Republican, especially with that idiot vice presidential candidate. I want nothing to do with the bible-thumping right-wing fringe of the Republican party.
Obama was clearly the better candidate; youthful, very intelligent, innovative which is why he swept on election day. He is who I want representing this country.
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Quoting from the article you linked to:
"if you’re wealthy and liberal, you have no brain."
You knuckleheads just make it too easy. Now please, go have another sip of your Kool-Aid.
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On the track of life most of those on that level have passed by us about 10-15 times, guess I need some of that kool-aid they are drinking. LOL.
Seriously, at the end of the day all we can do is agree to disagree on some areas but we all can get along without insulting each other. It's a sign of real maturity and intelligence when you accept beyond what is your status quo.
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More than three quarters of those worth $1 million to $10 million plan to vote for Sen. McCain. Only 15% plan to vote for Sen. Obama (the rest are undecided). Of those worth more than $30 million, two-thirds support Sen. Obama, while one third support Sen. McCain.
They are more successful than the McCain supporters so they're obviously doing something right.
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I cant wait to see how you Obama supporters justify this one!!!!!!!!
The scary part is people believe this is going to be reality now that Obama got elected...I want to be there when the sheriff knocks on her door and and evicts her from her home due to foreclosure, and she says " I thought Obama was making my mortgage payments" LOL! What's even scary is that she has kids that carry the same genes.
I cant wait to see how you Obama supporters justify this one!!!!!!!!
The scary part is people believe this is going to be reality now that Obama got elected...I want to be there when the sheriff knocks on her door and and evicts her from her home due to foreclosure, and she says " I thought Obama was making my mortgage payments" LOL! What's even scary is that she has kids that carry the same genes.
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