You do have a point.

I understand. I woke my 14 y.o. daughter out of a sound sleep to go see Clinton at 12am on the night voting started in '91. (I hated the guy.)

No couches burning? ... Well, you mentioned NBA championship.

I think something people are failing to see is that the Bush administration has been nothing more than a Democrat administration in Republican clothing. The only time he acted like a conservative was for personal gain. It all started with his father abandoning true conservative ideas of small government and removing almost all of Reagan's advisor's which earned him a one term deal. In Junior's case it got really bad because the apple fell off the worst part of the tree.

Bush Jr will go down as a modern day Richard Nixon and Obama will be new Jimmy Carter imho. Sorry to rant but just the opinion of a Crazy person waiting for a Real Republican to vote for.

All that aside if Obama winning does really end up inspiring more people in the black community to love their country and finally believe in the American dream then God bless him.



PS: Can this whole thread be moved to Offtopic where it belongs.

We did not have to worry about jump starting or stimulating. The GDP was doing just fine until roughly 2008 and of course 2000-2001…..

http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/gdp.htm

At one point through the Bush admn we got to nearly 8% growth on the GDP…

lofl! Typical.

Thank You, I guess that would make you the typical liberal Joe.

It's what makes this a great country, two totally different points of view having to co-exist with each other.

I tend to agree with marcus in that this isn't the place for politics, however, I do find it necessary to rebut some of the crazy talk.


The list is very long, but I will only site two people: Eric Schmidt (CEO of Google) and Warren Buffett are both Obama supporters. Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing their net worth has a few more zero's than yours.

Thing is, they understand that the backbone of this economy is in the middle class. Don't be so one dimensional. Realize that a strong middle class will help your business and your investments in the markets. So you might have to pay 39% fed tax instead of 36%, if your business and money in the markets are performing much better, you will realize a net gain to your bottom line. Will you be less motivated to do well and make money because your fed tax rate has increased by 3%? I sure won't. I could go on and on here but hopefully you understand my point.

Really now? Ignoring the obviously ignorant reference to "tan relatives.." I will say that if living off the system is so great, why don't you try it??? Probably because it sucks. Sure, you'll always have someone who tries to cheat the system, it's not right and we should try to minimize that, but there are people (of all skin colors mind you) who need the help and some type of system does need to be in place for that.

It is a shame that your arguments have to be structured in such an insulting and divisive way. Perhaps it is that divisiveness that many Americans were voting against on Tuesday.

This is the same thing Nacy Pelosi has been doing for the last 2 years.

Envy? Surely not of jrcart or any guy like him.

I'm fully aware there are much smarter and better educated people than me. As far as harder working I would put anybody to the test.

Typical of forums were people don't fully comprehend or read what is being written and my mistake for getting involved. jrcart blows up into a childish rage as usual and can't have an adult debate.

I never said no one deserves their money. I said there is a great imbalance many times and I'm sure as hell am not out there on my own in this thought. YES many people work hard and achieve great things and at the same time another person doing the same just never caught a break but none the less is educated and works hard.

As far as my comments about what did a person do to deserve what they have. Again as mentioned initially I know enough people that just took over their "established" parents business that is run by other intelligent people and now the kids live very good lives not doing anything special. This is far from saying nobody deserves a good life from hard work or achieving great things.

Good points, glad others can see this.

I can understand your points better now. Sometimes a little more explaining clarifies things.

Honestly jrcart my main problem with you is you come across as an arrogant ***** and from my experience seeing how you act and boast you fall into the category that you took over a family business and reap the benefits while acting like an *** as you go.

Now I may be wrong and you built your business on your own and if so I apologize for my assumptions but at the same time you are still an arrogant *** IMO.

Saying that I'm sure we both have our own lives to get back to that are more important than worrying about the others.

Just want to say that I gained even more respect for you
You alone with your words made me change my stance on Obama...so he will be given a chance to try without a peep from me.

I didn't vote for Obama but have to say like MarcusF mention everyone there feels its time for a change. I won't benefit from McCain but I really didn't want the upper class to suffer either. I am retired but hope to own a business one day. Its easy to take handouts but extremely embarrassing I hope change does truely come cause its so hard to sell my house right now. Keeping the same would of probably amounted to nothing much especially since Reps lost more seats in the House and Senate.............thats why I feel I can welcome Obama to be our new commander and chief. EVERYONE DON'T PRESUME OBAMA WILL DO BAD FOR YOU JUST GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF


I am done with this subject.

One more thing I can say...at the moment we have no choice cause the majority of the people afflicted by our economy made there voices heard and change happened so why not embrace it and see the results? I did!(thanks J2001)

Kool-Aid, anyone?

I am not gonna respond to your ignorant comment...you are entitled to be mad for the next 8 years cause the Reps don't have a decent or great cadidate so its eight years to give OBAMA a try...great things about forums is its all personal opinion and thats it...your voice is too puny to do anything about it except show ignorance to a fellow Republican...wake up we are in the year 2008 and a Democratic black president was elected and we have to deal with it my friend...so like I said embrace it

Any new bill still has to go through Congress. Those types of bills get shot down all the time.

Exactly, so Obama can't just "do as he pleases". It won't be that simple.

The rich support McCain and the super rich support Obama.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/...support-obama/

So no, you're no smarter than anyone. The REAL rich people are all Obama supporters.

I make well above $250,000 and know I'll be taxed as another poster said, when the middle class is better, we all do better. Voting based on taxes alone is extremely stupid. Social issues? Energy? Foreign Policy? I could never vote Republican, especially with that idiot vice presidential candidate. I want nothing to do with the bible-thumping right-wing fringe of the Republican party.

Obama was clearly the better candidate; youthful, very intelligent, innovative which is why he swept on election day. He is who I want representing this country.

Quoting from the article you linked to:

"if you’re wealthy and liberal, you have no brain."

You knuckleheads just make it too easy. Now please, go have another sip of your Kool-Aid.

hahahahahahahahahahahah

Quite a few really wealthy people are Obama supporters, so I suppose they are all idiots based on your statement? Jay-Z? Buffet? Oprah? CEO of Google? Many others with real money. I guess they are worth many millions to billions being stupid.

On the track of life most of those on that level have passed by us about 10-15 times, guess I need some of that kool-aid they are drinking. LOL.



Seriously, at the end of the day all we can do is agree to disagree on some areas but we all can get along without insulting each other. It's a sign of real maturity and intelligence when you accept beyond what is your status quo.

Yea, the $30mm+ net worth demographic are a bunch brainless knuckleheads.

They are more successful than the McCain supporters so they're obviously doing something right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrA2G1TCrQ

I cant wait to see how you Obama supporters justify this one!!!!!!!!

The scary part is people believe this is going to be reality now that Obama got elected...I want to be there when the sheriff knocks on her door and and evicts her from her home due to foreclosure, and she says " I thought Obama was making my mortgage payments" LOL! What's even scary is that she has kids that carry the same genes.

Honestly guys/gals

There is nothing we can say or do now but see what transpire within the next 4-8 years.....Why are we still on this topic