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02-13-2009, 11:37 AM
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Sebring is definitely a challenging track. Someone unfamiliar with the track, though, is at a severe disadvantage due to the number of turns - it's just too hard to remember them all without significant seat time driving the course.
I still vote for Road Atlanta. More interesting road course than Sebring, fewer turns and thus easier to learn, and we would be to verify lap time claims previously posted. Plus, I'd be able to drive up to witness the epic challenge.
I still vote for Road Atlanta. More interesting road course than Sebring, fewer turns and thus easier to learn, and we would be to verify lap time claims previously posted. Plus, I'd be able to drive up to witness the epic challenge.
I wouldn't call Road Atlanta an easier track to learn. It's advantage over Sebring is that it's smoother and has elevation changes, but it has a higher danger factor.
02-13-2009, 11:41 AM
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Run the Miata that takes some skill.
02-13-2009, 11:43 AM
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02-13-2009, 11:46 AM
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Are you kidding me? No disrespect to Jim, but the numbers he ran at Willow(s) were NOT off of what E55s have run there before. Also, despite all the banter from the pros, Willow is a very driver friendly and also power friendly track. Granted, Jim would have stomped me.
My odd take on this is that Derek is a legit race car driver, who lives at these tracks. Now, you expect Jim to fly out to Derek's house and beat him in one of his own cars or even two equal cars. What will it prove? OK, so Jim gets beat by a pro. SO what?
02-13-2009, 11:50 AM
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Yet you didn't run..... and I seriously doubt that you could cut a decent lap at Willow. That's based on how you claim to have driven the track and the videos of you driving that you have posted.
02-13-2009, 11:54 AM
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I vote for RA? or take him up on coming out to willow. coming down to Florida would put the advantage in Derreks court to far.
Also If you guys where real men you would dispense w/all the car racing and get into a 125 shifter kart and take it out at the kart track, that will separate the real drivers from the weekend warriors.
Also If you guys where real men you would dispense w/all the car racing and get into a 125 shifter kart and take it out at the kart track, that will separate the real drivers from the weekend warriors.
02-13-2009, 11:55 AM
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Are you kidding me? No disrespect to Jim, but the numbers he ran at Willow(s) were NOT off of what E55s have run there before. Also, despite all the banter from the pros, Willow is a very driver friendly and also power friendly track. Granted, Jim would have stomped me.
My odd take on this is that Derek is a legit race car driver, who lives at these tracks. Now, you expect Jim to fly out to Derek's house and beat him in one of his own cars or even two equal cars. What will it prove? OK, so Jim gets beat by a pro. SO what?
My odd take on this is that Derek is a legit race car driver, who lives at these tracks. Now, you expect Jim to fly out to Derek's house and beat him in one of his own cars or even two equal cars. What will it prove? OK, so Jim gets beat by a pro. SO what?
All these calling outs. Mr. FSU seems to be doing it really well though. I will complement him in his ability to set up the race and do it tactfully.
Lets see what happens.
Just rent willow for a day. Track and fire life safety is about 4500 a day. What really should be done is a two track challenge. Do the big track and the streets. The big track is just for big fast straight line speed but the streets requires a bit more skill.
02-13-2009, 12:00 PM
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Dude, when are you going to understand that I am just a guy that loves AMGs. Correcting me or making your little instructor comments isn't going to belittle me. Why would I care?
Lets get Jim out of this picture and focus on me and you; E55 to E55. Start a new thread and lets you and I meet at Willow and see who's E55 is faster and by how many minutes your skill sets beats me? You keep wanting to put up, so lets do it. We will plan it so that it is fair to both so that we actually show. No sense in me picking a day that you are busy
02-13-2009, 12:03 PM
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You're correct, my mistake. Since you can't get from Cali to VIR that quickly, how about flying to VIR after Willow and we drive one of my cars? I'll let you choose- Mazda Miata, Nissan GTR, or a rental car you bring. Either Saturday, Sunday, or Monday would work.
Can't do Willow as we're racing at VIR Saturday & Sunday plus doing a GTR meet on Monday. If your BS could get to VIR by Monday, you'd have 20 GTR's with which to run.
Lastly, I'll have my crew install a Traqmate into the car of your choice so we'll have data proving no one is doing anything to the car that the other doesn't have the option of doing.
We can run a Miata, GTR, or BS. Your call. Thanks.
Can't do Willow as we're racing at VIR Saturday & Sunday plus doing a GTR meet on Monday. If your BS could get to VIR by Monday, you'd have 20 GTR's with which to run.
Lastly, I'll have my crew install a Traqmate into the car of your choice so we'll have data proving no one is doing anything to the car that the other doesn't have the option of doing.
We can run a Miata, GTR, or BS. Your call. Thanks.
02-13-2009, 12:03 PM
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Jangy what have you seen an E55 run at willow? There is no way in h e l l an E55 will run a 1:33 without being gutted and caged. Do you realize how quick that is for a 4k lb car?
1:33? What does that have to do with anything. Both E55s that I know personally were NOT gutted. One was sponsored with Renntech stage 5 on it and one is a DD. The point is not that the E55 is fast at Willow. My point is that the difference between drivers is greater (derek vs Jim) than is E55k vs CLK BS. That is it.
1:33? What does that have to do with anything. Both E55s that I know personally were NOT gutted. One was sponsored with Renntech stage 5 on it and one is a DD. The point is not that the E55 is fast at Willow. My point is that the difference between drivers is greater (derek vs Jim) than is E55k vs CLK BS. That is it.
Lets do see.
02-13-2009, 12:04 PM
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I know that NASA has a HPDE coming up at willow, he should do it. That way he can get his eyes opened up without the embarrassment of getting his *** kicked in front of MBWorld
Now your talking
02-13-2009, 12:07 PM
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Are you kidding me? No disrespect to Jim, but the numbers he ran at Willow(s) were NOT off of what E55s have run there before. Also, despite all the banter from the pros, Willow is a very driver friendly and also power friendly track. Granted, Jim would have stomped me.
My odd take on this is that Derek is a legit race car driver, who lives at these tracks. Now, you expect Jim to fly out to Derek's house and beat him in one of his own cars or even two equal cars. What will it prove? OK, so Jim gets beat by a pro. SO what?
My odd take on this is that Derek is a legit race car driver, who lives at these tracks. Now, you expect Jim to fly out to Derek's house and beat him in one of his own cars or even two equal cars. What will it prove? OK, so Jim gets beat by a pro. SO what?
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02-13-2009, 12:16 PM
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Jrcart, let's race. You say you're a "road racer" so let's find out. Come down to VIR in one week. We race the same car so no doubt remains afterwards. I can supply the car or you can. I dare say that I'll beat you in your own car.
Here's the wager. If you win, then I never post here again, and I'll contribute $5k to the charity of your choice. If I win, you never post here again AND you learn the English language.
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02-13-2009, 12:16 PM
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Derek, one more thing, I was not even aware you are a pro road racer LOL. I have a better offer for you, you can use ANY I REPEAT ANY race car you can get your hands on and I will use one of my AMA superbikes...Put you money where your mouth is, I will even do it for the measly $5000 you offered and I will do it at the track of your choice, even Sebring.
I can do this on ANY date after February 25th, let me know the time and the place. One pro road racer against another.....
I can do this on ANY date after February 25th, let me know the time and the place. One pro road racer against another.....
02-13-2009, 12:31 PM
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Derek has been around here for a LONG TIME. You have OVER 2,500 POSTS on this website. You have referred to Derek's "ugly green hauler" in your prior posts.
With all that information out there, did you really think that Derek was some little candy-*** driver (like I am)?
I tried to find a little icon that symbolizes someone squirming and backpedaling, but couldn't find one. These will have to do:
02-13-2009, 12:37 PM
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That's just a little hard to believe.
Derek has been around here for a LONG TIME. You have OVER 2,500 POSTS on this website. You have referred to Derek's "ugly green hauler" in your prior posts.
With all that information out there, did you really think that Derek was some little candy-*** driver (like I am)?
I tried to find a little icon that symbolizes someone squirming and backpedaling, but couldn't find one. These will have to do:
Derek has been around here for a LONG TIME. You have OVER 2,500 POSTS on this website. You have referred to Derek's "ugly green hauler" in your prior posts.
With all that information out there, did you really think that Derek was some little candy-*** driver (like I am)?
I tried to find a little icon that symbolizes someone squirming and backpedaling, but couldn't find one. These will have to do:
You should change the name of this thread to "ANYONE THAT CAN'T READ PLEASE CHIME IN"
02-13-2009, 12:43 PM
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Derek, one more thing, I was not even aware you are a pro road racer LOL. I have a better offer for you, you can use ANY I REPEAT ANY race car you can get your hands on and I will use one of my AMA superbikes...Put you money where your mouth is, I will even do it for the measly $5000 you offered and I will do it at the track of your choice, even Sebring..
It's probably the one of the simplest tracks to learn
02-13-2009, 12:45 PM
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I'm glad to hear that from you. 
So, go ahead and race with cars of equal performance. The result will be all driver. It's not a big deal if you lose, it's only a race.
I've seen video here of Derek driving and I've read your posts about how skillful you are. Both of you would kick my ***.
Winning or losing the race, itself, is not a measure of you being a man.
So, go ahead and race with cars of equal performance. The result will be all driver. It's not a big deal if you lose, it's only a race.
I've seen video here of Derek driving and I've read your posts about how skillful you are. Both of you would kick my ***.
Winning or losing the race, itself, is not a measure of you being a man.
02-13-2009, 12:47 PM
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.....not when your car keeps shutting down and going into limp mode. Besides that, even the most simple of tracks can not be mastered in 10 laps, not even by the greatest racers in the world. Haveing a "home track advantage" is huge, it can take dozens or even hundreds of laps to learn the ins and outs and little "secrets" of a race circuit. Please do not chime in on topics you have no knowledge of whatsoever.
02-13-2009, 12:48 PM
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Why don't the two of you just forget the cars, get in a ring, fight one another to the death and take all of the losers stuff.
That way we can be sure that no one will talk anymore sh**!!
That way we can be sure that no one will talk anymore sh**!!
02-13-2009, 12:52 PM
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02-13-2009, 12:59 PM
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.....not when your car keeps shutting down and going into limp mode. Besides that, even the most simple of tracks can not be mastered in 10 laps, not even by the greatest racers in the world. Haveing a "home track advantage" is huge, it can take dozens or even hundreds of laps to learn the ins and outs and little "secrets" of a race circuit. Please do not chime in on topics you have no knowledge of whatsoever.
Big willow is the eaisiest track to figure out. Any experienced racer can get around the track quickly in 5 or 6 laps
02-13-2009, 01:02 PM
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02-13-2009, 01:05 PM
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Lets get Jim out of this picture and focus on me and you; E55 to E55. Start a new thread and lets you and I meet at Willow and see who's E55 is faster and by how many minutes your skill sets beats me? You keep wanting to put up, so lets do it. We will plan it so that it is fair to both so that we actually show. No sense in me picking a day that you are busy
Jangy, you should just quit while you're behind. Do you realize how dumb it sounds for you to call someone out for a race? It's sad.
As far as Derek and Jim go, I think it would prove a great deal if Derek was able to get in the CLK and beat Jim's time. Jim holds himself up to be this great race driver that could outrun Tony Kanaan heads up, so for him to get beat in his own ride would be epic. If that doesn't work, then they should drive rented Mustangs.
02-13-2009, 01:15 PM
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Jangy, you should just quit while you're behind. Do you realize how dumb it sounds for you to call someone out for a race? It's sad.
As far as Derek and Jim go, I think it would prove a great deal if Derek was able to get in the CLK and beat Jim's time. Jim holds himself up to be this great race driver that could outrun Tony Kanaan heads up, so for him to get beat in his own ride would be epic. If that doesn't work, then they should drive rented Mustangs.
As far as Derek and Jim go, I think it would prove a great deal if Derek was able to get in the CLK and beat Jim's time. Jim holds himself up to be this great race driver that could outrun Tony Kanaan heads up, so for him to get beat in his own ride would be epic. If that doesn't work, then they should drive rented Mustangs.
