CharlyE500

Guys,
A member sent me this youtube link, is that true a stock e63 can make 3.9 sec from 0-60 ? if thats real then E63 is faster than GTR !
Any comments ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCQ0sUef10

MB_Forever

That was actually my car..... and no the E63 is not faster than a GTR.... The average 0-60 for the E63 is about 4.3 seconds. In very optimum conditions, a 3.9 is possible, but very hard to duplicate in varying conditions.

Here is the entire thread.... it's a little old, but definitely a good read

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-mph-runs.html

CWW

P030 package. That explains it. LSD makes all the difference from a dig.

DAGREEKNYC

Whats the LSD stand for ????????? And is that only on the p30 's ????

LB63

LSD= Limited Slip Differential

It's only on the p30 cars. I'm not sure how much it helps in a straight line, it's really supposed to help when accelerating out of turns.

MB_Forever

+1 if it helps at all, it helps very little in a straight line, but you can feel more noticeable difference on the road course. On the drag strip, the LSD equipped P30 cars had very close 60' times to non-LSD equipped E63s.

MB_Forever

Please remember that the 0-60 times achieved in that video required near perfect conditions. If you read the thread, you'll notice that it was close to midnight when we ran those times, temps were just under 50 degrees, we had less than a 1/4 tank of gas, used a very light weight driver, my car has no pano roof, so that reduces weight even mroe, and finally, we chose a decent private road to do those runs.

The thread has more details..... in my opinion, the average consistent 0-60 times for an E63 is 4.3 seconds

220S

I agree, a LSD is great for 'road' cars (e.g. Porsche, etc.) I'm not sure of their value on the Benz which we normally don't use for canyon carving. (a road racing track is another story)

How much difference do you really notice with real world hard driving, or does the MB suspension's limitations show up first?

As far as the 0-60 times, I think MB is a bit more conservative in their publishing the data. I'm guessing that they've gotten times like this, too. But they seem to take an average, or a "under normal circumstances" time, and use that, instead.

Some mfgs are more liberal, imho (BMW, as an example) for their advertising.

CharlyE500

Wow... so whats E55 can do in real time ? same condition, half tank, night time .... is posible to hit 4.1 sec ? (stock E55) I tested mine car but i am not sure if counts because the car was spinning so the speed of the odometer might not be acurate.

juicee63

The 55 is harder to get 3.9 in due to the available tq. If you can hook it is certainly plausible that 3.9-4.1 can happen. This is more like a 4.3-4.5 car. Like Mo said 3.9 requires the stars to be aligned

xlr8tin

It should help a bit in a straightline...

You can get one tire that would normally spin, and the other grab.

But I agree that the LSD would be more suited for cornering accel.

Autoscope

There was a big article a while back comparing G-Force/0-60 timers...They all came within .10 of eachother ranging from $100-$500+

I do believe they are within .5 of accuracy but thats about it!

There are some guys with NOS SRT8 JEEPS running 1.7 0-60 with those things!!!!

CharlyE500

What if I have better set of tires ? lets say 305 in the back, is going to help for torquy car like 55k ?

E55_GT3wheels

3.9 is not common as stated no matter what u do if the car is bone stock...possible but not common by any means

intellilogic

Long live P30!!!

MB_Forever

Honestly, I think I could've gotten these times with non P30 cars as well........ as long as they are not equipped with pano roof of course. Pano roof equipped cars are generally 0.1 seconds slower or more. And unfortunately, a lot of the extra weight is added on top of the car.... the worst place to add weight to a car: hinders performance and handling

I actually love the pano roof but not on an AMG..... I would get it on an E550 or E350 or S-Class where the focus is luxury, but just not on an AMG where it becomes an extra burden on performance.

RobDoc

Juicee and I were discussing the performance of E63 sedans vs. wagons in another thread. He was quite insistent that the wagons are faster and handle better due to this extra mass up high. He thought wagons had improved balance due to that extra mass. I find that against conventional wisdom and counterintuitive.
I think the Pano roof has a similar deleterious effect, as you have noted in your post.
Are you still sure about all that Juicee??

VCA_AMG

I can understand the extra weight over the rear wheels helping the wagon's acceleration, but beyond that, physics will prevail. Higher CG, more mass up high doesn't make for good handling.

asleep

funny, i wasn't even interested in my e55 unless it HAD pano. i bought my amg because it was 1st a luxury car, 2nd a luxury car that had more than enough power that i didn't think i would want/have to mod. pano is something that can't be added once it leaves the factory- it does have a cover for the back seat...if didn't want to enjoy the view. i have to admit it is one of my favorite options for that car. i even sit in the back and share the love of driving my e55 w. some friends, but really i am just enoying a nice star lit sky and full moon from the back seat. - too bad it didn't come with a privacy shade that separates the front cabin from the back

juicee63

I am certain that the tests on the wagon by Top Gear, Motor Trend, Edmunds, and overall 1/4 mile times indicate the Wagon is faster in a straight line . This applies to E55 and E63 wagon.

The pano roof may be the exact reason why the wagons tested inch out the sedan, could be weight distribution as well.

I never said it was due to "extra mass" up high. I believe it to be weight distribution on the chasis that makes the wagon better in a straight line, better initial grip perhaps, something caused the wagon to test faster, I am only guessing as to why?

The E63's 0.84 g is good enough to suck barf out of baby's mouth and directly onto the outside window, thus protecting the leather.

qoute on the wagon's handling

Jon2007E63P30

So I have to ask, if we believe the 0-60 times, which I do.

Would you believe my 0.98G cloverleaf skidpad numbers? Yea, it probably does have some banking. But the P30 is supposed to handle better.

In my E63 after some ECU/TCU software updating, I was able to rip off 4.2s 0-60 consistently. I have been able to do 4.0s once. To be honest, it is difficult to concentrate on your launch when worrying about what local law enforcement might think.

I will eventually get out to the track. I almost went last weekend, but lack of helmet and the hassles with borrowing one kept me home.

By the way, 0.84G is only enough to get the barf 42 degrees off from a vertial drop. That means it goes down between the seats. 2G will get you 63degrees (all you pilots know that). 4G in an F1 car is 76degrees, so throwing up in an F1 car will likely not end up in your lap.

juicee63

Very interesting and funny,

I have not gone WOT yet with my 15 month old , LOL

juicee63

Very interesting and funny,

I have not gone WOT yet with my 15 month old , LOL


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DAGREEKNYC

Whats the actual weight increase for the Pano . my registration says the car is 3900 pounds on my 2008 e63 but for some reason i think it is a lil more .

DAGREEKNYC

Well if the Pano cars have a tenth slower time over the non pano cars then there is really only around 100 pounds more added to the vehicle . I do not think that is enough to hinder performance or handling IMHO .