W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

do these cars heatsoak this fast?or pump out?

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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 02:21 AM
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do these cars heatsoak this fast?or pump out?

Just got a 05 with low miles and drove it hard for maybe 3-5min and the supercharger is off.

It wasnt that hot out also. I drive around for maybe 2 min (just coasting)and punch it and the blower kicks in for a second and right back off.Is it normal for the car to shut the blower off from maybe 5 min of driving hard
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 02:40 AM
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Thats normal for stock!
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Just got a 05 with low miles and drove it hard for maybe 3-5min and the supercharger is off.

It wasnt that hot out also. I drive around for maybe 2 min (just coasting)and punch it and the blower kicks in for a second and right back off.Is it normal for the car to shut the blower off from maybe 5 min of driving hard

Have the pump looked at it's that time frame for the 05s pumps to start to fail which is common. Mine went out about 3 months ago, took it in for warranty work and had it fixed. The codes won't come up saying it is failing just demand it be replaced and see what that does for you. Mine came back to life when I did that. I can't tell how hard you were driving and for how long but if you're not doing that much I bet it's the pump. I have done long pulls on the track up to 120 multiple times in the heat over 20 minute sessions and the pump when healthy worked just fine and the supercharger didn't shut off.
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 09:36 AM
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Have the pump looked at it's that time frame for the 05s pumps to start to fail which is common.
+1...better still, invest in a scanner which will let you view your IAT's . When your IAT get too high the ecu shuts down the s/c to preserve the engine.
That is not normal btw.
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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I'm going to log it today.I did maybe 3 second gear pulls and it shuts off.temp was like 65 last night
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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I'm going to log it today.I did maybe 3 second gear pulls and it shuts off.temp was like 65 last night
Pump must be dead, don't forget that the ECU pulls timing way before the SC shuts down on high IAT. Just go ahead and get the pump, sooner the better.
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Ok guys not even beating on it and it hit 183 and took ten min to get to 160 in d comfort off boost driving around 40 . Timing is -20-23 while driving
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Mine was doing the same. Dealer put in new pump and it's been great since.
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 03:13 PM
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Few more question,what are normal aits in 80d weather and how long does it take for them to drop after a run.also what temp does the sc shut off.
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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Under normal driving I'm seeing about 15* above ambient. WOT it heads for 130-140, but comes back down in a few minutes of highway speed (no load) driving.
Your issue is one of three things: there is air trapped in the intercooler system which you need to bleed out, you are not getting any power to the pump, or the pump is shot.
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Thanks alot .so seeing 185 driving around town with a few hard pulls is not normal
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ok started the car leaving work and it says teliaid sos malfunction drive to workshop.I kept it off boost all the way home,never got under 140 iat on the highway with no load at all,just enough to keep the car at 65.

what is teliaid malfunction mean?

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I sometimes wonder if its also not air getting into the circuit... I would try a good bleed first and then check the pump. Also, rather just fit a CM30 Johnson and be done with it.... still flows more than the improved OEM pump.

While you at it get a Code3 or similar - there are lots of options now - for larger H/E on the car. I cannot say which is better really but one with the largest volume is probably a good starting point.

3 mins and s/c shutdown - definitely is a problem and not the norm, even on a pulley car.
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I'm bringing the car in on Tuesday.I don't know if I can install the cm30 or bigger HE with the warenty I have.
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how long do new johnson cm30 pumps last?
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 01:50 PM
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ok dealer just called,cars done with new pump.What should I expect in performance difference.

I just got the car and dont know what its supposed to feel like with a working pump.Is it going to be a huge difference or what?

The wait is killing me to go and drive it.
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
ok dealer just called,cars done with new pump.What should I expect in performance difference.

I just got the car and dont know what its supposed to feel like with a working pump.Is it going to be a huge difference or what?

The wait is killing me to go and drive it.
I just completed a CM30 install on mine last weekend. Not a complete apples-to-apples (my CL55 came with a larger HE), but I'm guessing you are going to notice a difference if your pump wasn't working properly or if the circuit needed a good bleeding. My car seems to have adapted considerably over the week. As others have mentioned, timing gets pulled back first before the SC is shut off. Mine seems to be getting performance back.

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Just got it back and its way more consistant power.they cleared the ecu and it wont pass for a sticker,so I think it might get a little faster once it adapts.

Just plugged in the scan tool,107 idle after driving it 40 min home from the dealer,cruising around town it was at 97-102.I did a few first gear pulls and it never went over 120 and back down to 100 real quick.

Now my brother is going to have to take his in for a pump also,we were both idling at 161-163 the night before mine went in.
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Just got it back and its way more consistant power.they cleared the ecu and it wont pass for a sticker,so I think it might get a little faster once it adapts.

Just plugged in the scan tool,107 idle after driving it 40 min home from the dealer,cruising around town it was at 97-102.I did a few first gear pulls and it never went over 120 and back down to 100 real quick.

Now my brother is going to have to take his in for a pump also,we were both idling at 161-163 the night before mine went in.
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What was the ambient temp?
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sounds like bad pump....
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Temp was around 77-80
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The factory (Bosch) pumps sometimes give up the ghost progressively...that is to say that they will operate for shorter and shorter intervals before failing completely.

A fellow board member showed me the BFH trick for getting one last dyno run out of his failing stock pump....you tap the pump mildly with the Big Freakin' Hammer.

This will dislodge enough of the powdered magnet dust out of the armature just long enough to get the pump to run for another 15 minutes or so.

FYI - I was on the third OEM pump when I changed over to CM30. Sometimes they go quickly too....
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