So you are saying it wasn't due to the tune without personally seeing the damage to the internals nor looking at logs? How could you be so sure? What do you say caused the failure? I'm sure there were pics of the damage taken by the engine builder when they tore down the old engine.

 

If the "other competing party" is RENNtech. I find it a bit hard to believe anyone at RENNtech would advise someone to put a blame on anything or anyone without first diagnosing the problem. I also dont think anyone at RENNtech would come out and say "blame PC its their fault." Its not RENNtech's style.

However I could see someone at RENNtech saying.. "Your car had a fueling issue that caused the problem resulting in a chain of events" or something like that. Then maybe passing blame on the ECU's ability to manage fueling.

From what I hear, and I DON'T know this to be true... Her car was over fueling and gas was even coming out of the tail pipe... If this statement has any validity. It does not take a smart person to know the ECU could or may have played a roll in over fueling.

On another note: there could be other reasons the ECU was adding fuel. A loose spark plug wire recently caused my ECU to add 18%!! fuel at idle after logging the fuel trims. Was this my tune's fault? No, It was mine for not installing the number 5 cylinder plug wire correctly.

As a rep for the number 1 RENNtech dealer in the US (next to RENNtech FLA) and very good personal friends with RENNtech people. I've heard about Angela's car and some of its past issues. Not once have I heard them put the blame on anyone.

 

Mike, thank you for your concern.

It has nothing to do with you nor you are employed by competing party, nor you know all of the details - so please stay out of it.

Thank you!

 

It is responses like this that have increasingly made people question your judgement....everyone and their mother can ascertain that Mike has a relationship with RENNtech...he EXPLICITLY SAYS SO IN HIS POST...yet you act like a total jerk to him. Mark gave his perception based on his experience with the people and car at issue. Your response was uncalled for and makes you seem insecure.

You are fond of using former customers' changing financial situations or necessity to be a "rag doll" to explain their irrational behavior....maybe we should use that same logic to explain your adamant defense of PC. Maybe they offered you a refund on Busa's tune or additional future discounts to help defend their good name. It probably isn't the truth...but hey you do love to the throw out theories on your former customers' motivations....how do you like it when it gets flung at you???

Tom

 

Vadim, I not trying to get involved really.. I'm just saying, I hear about Renntech builds happening all over the country. I've heard about Angela's car and I'm just letting you know.. If someone was to to hear some candid info over some beers of what they thought happened It would be me. Not once did I hear Renntech put the blame on PC.

Trust me, I've tried to dig for info on Angela's car and build from the RENN guys and not once was PC ever mentioned in any info I've heard.

 

Vadim,
Mike is correct about RT explaining what happened to my car, offered proof and left it at that. I wanted them to fix my car because he offered me SLR Pistons and Bad *** rods with a 82mmTB. He gave me what I asked for and they didn't have any fires or new engines installed, I bet it started right up and it purred. Lol Do you really think he needs me as a rag doll or to bad mouth any company to remain in business? Lmao! He along with Cory don't have to come on here defending his product or call out posers. This is me posting so if you have something to say, say it to me.

I was going to post constructive stuff in the morning about how all tuners screw up. I was going to tell people that I still have my 210 with a pc tune that has never had problems, (car hasn't had problems period), gotta love the 210 motor. I was also going to tell the members that we need to share but also make our own choices after research. Alan and Sal are happy and I'm happy for them regardless of the fact it's PC. I was uphappy about the way it was handled. Saying you were involved in my file is a lie. You got involved when the guys at PC had you call me because I was your friend. No spark plug issue or OEM or Evosport mod issue existed. Vadim you need to stop lying. If it continues to happen I will take legal action. I can forgive bad service but never call a 20 year banker dishonest and a ragdoll. I have purchased all my own houses and cars and take offense to your statement. I have so much written stuff saved just for this....you won't get drama, you will get a broadway musical.

 

 

In your professional opinion, what caused her engine problem?

Vadim, please re-read post # 192. I did not bash you or Powerchip, but I did acknowledged that Powerchip have done a few things wrong: some with Angela's car, some with my car personally (previous one), and some with other members' cars. I've also acknowledged what they did with Alan's car and Sal's car.

 

Maybe a separate thread should be started about this

 

WOW! MHP must be loving this thread...haha. It went from bashing MHP to bringing up PC's past.

Just a quick few questions to get a better understanding of the topic at hand. When did this all go down? If you tune a car at wide open throttle would the ECU adapt accordingly and adjust for partial throttle fueling? For my own knowledge I'm just trying to figure out how Angela's car ran so rich that it washed down her cylinder walls with AFR's at acceptable levels during wide open throttle tuning? How bad was gas mileage during the duration of this tune? How about gas smells, wouldn't that be present with a rich running car?

Just for the record, I'm a happy PC customer and my own personal experience with PC has been wonderful. I just went down to LA this past weekend to have my car re-tuned after my LT install and spent most of the day with Jeremy. He's a great guy who loves doing what he does....making us go faster. Jeremy brings so much to the table with what he does it's just simply amazing. As time goes on his tunes will speak for himself.

I guess what I'm trying to say, whatever happened in the past it would be foolish of someone to disregard PC over the info given in this thread. Do both parties really believe it's going to do anyone any good posting up all this info after this much time has passed? From here on out it's just going to bring out so much negativity that the thread will eventually be locked with no resolution. I really hope you guys resolve this in a civilized manner so both parties could move on and bury this once and for all.

Angela, I'm just asking a few questions and by all means not taking any sides. I'm just posting a little bump for PC and showing my appreciation. Next time I'm down we have to get a few people together and knock back a few. Forget about the cars and have some different kind of fun....

 

I respectfully disagree. From what I've heard Angela complained about the car running rich several times and was repeatedly told it was fine and that it did not need a retune. Besides that, I would fully expect the situation to be handled differently by a tuner should there be such a costly failure. Not returning calls is unprofessional. It is one thing to not accept responsibility but trying to avoid the situation and keep the word from getting out is a VERY good reason for any potential customers to turn away. I'm sure all the tuners have had something go wrong somewhere along the line, how they handle it is of GREAT importance to me. If it was me in Angelas situation the whole story would have been plastered all over the boards a long time ago after trying to rectify the situation and basically being ignored. She never asked for payment for the new engine build, just a simple return call from PC with an apology. Instead they have her friend call and try to keep the whole story from getting out. Pathetic

 

I believe most companies will have some extent of damage control to help preserve the name. IMO, it's not right but it happens all the time. I've heard some ***** stories of another tuner but since it didn't happen to me it's not my place to post any info. I believe you know of the same story, whether it's true or not...IDK. The only thing I could do is research companies of my choice and take that gathered info and make a decision. I honestly don't believe one incident, true or not, should haunt a company. Many people make mistakes, including myself, but if any of us were never given chances to redeem ourselves where would some of us be now? I'm not saying disregard what you read but maybe judge them from what they've done since then.

That's all I have to say and I'm not willing to get involved any more then I already have because this is betwenn Angela and PC. Good luck and hopefully both parties will end up posting their side of the story in full detail so this could finally be buried.

 

They haven't done anything since then to fix the problem as can be seen by the responses in this thread. Others have been chiming in about their unsatisfactory transactions with PC as well, this is not an isolated incident albeit a very large incident. How long do we wait? How many chances do we give them to fix the problem? If it is untrue, why don't they post the truth instead of trying to keep it secret? People should be able to hear both sides of the story and judge for themselves. When people try to hide things it says something

 

Alan: this is deeper than getting a good tune. To really understand what happenned we need to go back to when the mid-'05/'6 ECUs were released. All existing ECUs were slated for the secondary injector flash. All of this was to reduce TQ in certain instances to save the life of the tranny. At the same time, MB was shifting it's code about every 6 months. So, the solutions at the time mainly had all cars re-flashed back to the pre-secondary injection flash file which was then tuned. This "worked" on the older models, but not on the ones that had the TQ management more integrated than just by flash. The '06, built in '06 (as you know) is the toughest to open up the TQ management.

MY OPINION IS that all of this TQ managment had not been worked out and the envelope got pushed on angela's car. Again, those ECUs had just come out.

After Angela's car was slated to go to RennTech, Vadim started to work more closely with PC and bought into the TQ management concept. He and PC put in lots of technical time and cracked the code. That code got refined over the past 2 years and now you and Sal are enjoying the benefits.

The question I ask you is this. Does it matter that Travis' tune is GREAT, if he steps on toes to get there? I love you bro, so I'll leave it there. Lets not focus just on outcome, sicne I also loved my PC tune. I simply had my fill of rude Aussies.....

 

If? So we've come to this. Vadim. I've stated countless times that you are my friend. As you know, I am having a dispute with PC. You know it has nothing to do with you but you take it personal anyway. Go back and re-read the emails that were sent and understand that it will not be tolerated. If you want to be a party to it, fine. I have no issues with that.

BTW, I stopped returning your calls right after that because I felt betrayed by a friend. Had any tuner or associate of mine spoken to you that way, I would have objected. You not only ignored it, you condoned it and even followed up on it. That insulted me HUGE. I have let so much go with the tuning of my car, because i knew it was a process and i enjoyed how you addressed challenges. I did my part. I paid $100K and basically left the car at your disposal. I even gave it to you a few times to make thing that i didn't even want and yet you question my friendship?

Since this has gotten to this, I am going to open a major can of worms. I need to clear some emails with my brother (lawyer) and will post them ASAP. The screening has nothing to do with this thread. It is for another matter but I am under strict gag orders

 

Bro, you know my history with RennTech. I hate certain folks there so that I'll even name names. Bob sent me an email, which I have that COMPLETELY contradicts what you are arguing. RennTech Florida is simply not known for the kind of attitude that you are trying to paint.
Don't confuse Dyno Comp behavior or RT people on the phone when speaking to their #1 cash cow with how they normally act.

Just being 100% honest.

Regardless, RennTech did what any tuner does when the competition stumbles. They stepped in and made Angela whole. The hows and whys are irrelevent. I highly doubt they would say (especially documented by email) anything that would be considered out of line in a court of law to Angela. Why would they leave themselves open to that?

 

To be honest, I dont really know about what happened with your car and RENNtech. Other than some post searching while looking for other stuff.

Are you saying Bob Brady sent you an email about Angela's car? Or are you saying he send you an email passing blame on your situation? In any event I dont know what happened with your car (Pulley issue of some sort??) I guess I could see them passing blame on to someone or something else if someone was trying to but the blame on them..

Are you saying DC or RT treat people different pending on the money they spend? IF you are I find this not to be true. I know at DC this is not the case. It doesnt matter if you spend $65 or $65,000 you are treated with the same respect at DC.

As for RENNtech, I know RENNtech's number 1 cash cow this year. She has 2 fulley renntech'ed out Gwagons. It turns out she has another Gwagon (that makes 3) and that will be decked out as well. Not to mention the 2 Cayenne turbo's she's got that are being taken to the max as we speak at DC.

Point is, this girl that came into the shop in Feb of this year has spent over 120K at DC and The 19 year old kid calling about a $300 COBB tune for a 350z is given the same treatment. I see that kind of stuff first had. 40min phone call for info on a dyno-run.

All I know is i cant say how RENNtech in FLA treats people, Im not there to see it... However I see first hand how our Renntech guy who works out of DC treats people.. And thats with respect no matter what you spend.

 

 

[QUOTE=bassn_07;3693017]WOW! MHP must be loving this thread...haha. It went from bashing MHP to bringing up PC's past.

Just a quick few questions to get a better understanding of the topic at hand. When did this all go down? If you tune a car at wide open throttle would the ECU adapt accordingly and adjust for partial throttle fueling? For my own knowledge I'm just trying to figure out how Angela's car ran so rich that it washed down her cylinder walls with AFR's at acceptable levels during wide open throttle tuning? How bad was gas mileage during the duration of this tune? How about gas smells, wouldn't that be present with a rich running car?

PC uses the open throttle theory to skirt the blame on my car. It's not the case and you quoted them word for word. Hmmm lol

Just for the record, I'm a happy PC customer and my own personal experience with PC has been wonderful. I just went down to LA this past weekend to have my car re-tuned after my LT install and spent most of the day with Jeremy. He's a great guy who loves doing what he does....making us go faster. Jeremy brings so much to the table with what he does it's just simply amazing. As time goes on his tunes will speak for himself.

I guess what I'm trying to say, whatever happened in the past it would be foolish of someone to disregard PC over the info given in this thread. Do both parties really believe it's going to do anyone any good posting up all this info after this much time has passed? From here on out it's just going to bring out so much negativity that the thread will eventually be locked with no resolution. I really hope you guys resolve this in a civilized manner so both parties could move on and bury this once and for all.

If it wasn't locked after the first comment was made to me it will prolly stay open. I don't see how it can be resolved in a civilized manner at this point. Like I mentioned, when Vadim called a while back I asked him to give them my number so we could put this behind us. It wasn't important enough for them to squash it or perhaps they felt like they were above it? When I was trying to get help with my tune a few months before it blew one of the owners or head guy was trapped outside the country with a visa issue. Perhaps he is still stuck and can't respond. I will accept the fact that I am not going to get a call and will move on.

Angela, I'm just asking a few questions and by all means not taking any sides. I'm just posting a little bump for PC and showing my appreciation. Next time I'm down we have to get a few people together and knock back a few. Forget about the cars and have some different kind of fun....

I think this whole thread has become a little silly and not good for any of us. The ones posting are friends and we enjoy spending time together. We have the fall racing events coming up and I can't wait to hangout. Taking sides will only harm those friendships. Alan you and I both know there are many friends in the background that will also be affected if we all start fighting. It's not worth it guys. I am also sad that RT got involved in this. They have never said anything bad about PC or Vadim and they really don't care what happened to my car. They fixed it and moved on. I paid RT 25k guys for a new short block and mods. I paid Evosport 30k for mods and Wheels. I am tired of hearing about how I paid this crazy amount to RT. Look how much it cost me to not go with them.

Vadim-I am sorry this has happened to our friendship. I loved getting my Vadim hugs at the events. You said some mean things to me and I responded harsh. I am willing to put this behind us if you are. Jangster-don't post the emails. Seeing all my friends on different sides and mean things being said isn't worth posting about my PC experience anymore. Enough has been written for members to read between the lines. I am also disapointed that we let Andy off the hook. I will let this monkey on my back go if we get back to posting about MHP. I will start first....

I knew he was a fraud as soon as he opened his mouth.

 

Wow that girl is a baller! But why have 3 G wagons???

 

lol....and her 2 cayenne turbos.......its ridiculous. saw her last week there with three of her cars (2 g wagons and one porsche)

 

All of them are the same color (gray) and they all have pet names.. She keeps here Cayenne Turbo S in a barn in northern AZ and Rat started living in it and chewed the wiring harness all up. But yeah when You can keep a Cayenne turbo S in a Barn at a vacation home for no good reason... You are a Baller.

Here Gwagon from what I know is most likely the fastest G wagon in the country. I'm going to take her to the track on a truck night and watch here keep up with some big powered diesel trucks.

She is a super nice girl, but she has an obsession with the NaziBox. Bad enough to own 3!

 

I know its funny she shows up to the shop with 3 cars all the time. Not to mention one G wagon has a full on surveillance system on it. I mean like Vegas style cameras.

 

[QUOTE=BENZGal;3693640]Me too

Angela, you are one of the best here and thanks for your posts

Now with that being said, may I suggest you guys/girls go over to AD as Andy is now posting to "All of his customers" whomever they maybe, that he will void any and all warrenties if they show up and allow ANYONE to "touch" their ECU at the PC tune/Dyno meet.

Hasn't he already done this with his paying customers

 

i still am grossed out by the fact there was a chocolate chip cookie in her porsche's engine bay that was eaten up by rats