Just curious why this car is having such difficulties getting done or is such a "problem car"? Why were "corners cut"? If the shop couldn't handle the project they shouldn't have taken it on.

From an outside perspective, I think there is fault on both sides.


Brad, I honestly don't get why you always come to the defense of PC. You delete threads, you put people on probation, you lock threads after putting in your .2c., etc, etc. Why don't you ever let PC speak for themselves? Why are you always their lap dog? It makes you and your company look bad. You're supposed to be neutral, but you're far from it.


Your business analogy was terrible. Does your company do business this way? If they don't want to get involved, don't like the customer, or think it's too big a hassle that you just quote a ridiculous price? Terrible business. You realize you can say no, right? You can say you don't want to get involved in a project.

This place used to be about helping others. I've seen other companies sell parts at cost, get used parts, not charge labor, etc, to try and help out members, or customers that got screwed by other companies. THAT IS GOOD BUSINESS. That gets you repeat business. That gets you referrals. Not jacking up the price because you know the customer can't afford it.


AMGSC - you were warned about Vadim. Like I said before, he seems like a great guy that knows a ton about cars, but he just got in over his head, and really let some people down and took advantage of people that were counting on him. It's hard to feel sorry for someone when they knew what they were getting into. I hope you get your car fixed right because you deserve it after what you've been through.

OH yes.... it most certainly does

Actually, I've been a business owner since 1991. I always show compasion and extend REAL concern for my customers needs. I'd like to believe this is one of the reasons why I am still in business today.

You seriously should stop now.

I will jump to the side of ANYONE that is unfairly bashed or "lynched" as this site likes to do.

Again for like the 10000000th time - threads are not deleted. That is you making things up, nothing more.

Thanks
Brad

And you've failed to prove in any way shape or form how it does. Good post.

I'd like to believe it's the reason you drive an SL500. Guess compassion couldn't pay for an SL55 eh

You seriously should stop now.

Wait a minute, because Brad doesn't agree with you airheads bandwagoning spewing bs around here, he becomes PC's lap dog?

Equating vehicles to success... you will learn as you get older. I've got a good friend whose worth ten times what I am. Unlike Bill Gates, he is also a car enthusiast. His wife drives a Honda Odyssey and he drives and E39 M5 with 140,000 miles on it that he bought from me. His homes are another matter.

Kindly speak to people as you would if they were standing in front of you or this place will continue to go down hill.

-Rob

I can be aggressive-- it came with my "purple ribbon".

I disagree with, and would never myself say, 99% of what you have posted in the various threads on this topic, but please don't stop. You are entertaining.

Various threads? I've only posted here "genious". Let me get this straight, members are spewing inconclusive (one-sided) stories and portray anyone who disagrees with them as lap-dogs, and follow it up with cry-me-a-river posts denouncing the mods/admins for letting this happen and I'm the entertaining one?

Another useless post from the bandwagoning airheads. You guys are pure comedy.

Yeah, kind of like watching the special olympics.

Damn thats low

I agree Evosport is a top notch company I wish they would just move away from PC and use Kleeeman it seems that Vadim/PC keep getting let off the hook for these customer service atrocities because they are under the PC blanket. He has spent 35k with vadim and PC and now that they destroyed his car to the point that no other company wants to help him and he is getting black balled. I cant imagine how he feels it makes me sick just thinking of it. I do not know how they get away with it I have gotten my *** handed to me over a damn keychain before. You guys should be so lucky that they are as patient and understanding. We get frivolous lawsuits thrown at us all the time I am surprised vadim hasn't (or has he?) I felt bad for him in the beginning hearing his stories that he didn't have the money to back up some of his problems and now the problems keep stacking up. Maybe he took on his own business venture before he was actually ready.. Time to go back to VRP? This is the problem with having such high dollar projects going to companies without money to back them or manpower. Cars should not be collecting dust on their lots I really hope Hooley can help you out this must be a terrible experience.

Well said.

lost a lotta respect with that post.

For your information, lack of funds is not the reason I mod and drive an SL500....
Its because I love to.

This is ONLY half of the problems about the shop. It ALOT worse if AMGSC ever decide to tell his side of the stories about the shop. Personally in my opinions, the HPS problems is nothing compare to what he's been going throught with this shop.

Wow! That was real low! He drives an SL500 because that is what he wants to drive. You admins are like a bunch on new cops running around with your badges and guns yelling and putting everyone down. I believe when the law graduates from the academy they tell them to treat the public right and fair because you work for them and if were not for them you would not have a job. Kind of the situation here. This forum is here because of the members yet you admins wana run around yelling at people, making fun of people and editing and closing threads. You may want to step back and keep your insults and bad manners to yourself because the very people you are directing it towards are the reason this forum is here and does so well.

Dayum Harry's REDHOTT tonight Seriously On Point though

I too like Robert, but his myriad of threads attacking different tuners over the yrs has come to a head. I can't believe how many of you are blaming Powerchip for Roberts intemperate decisions...

Thats low and pathetic! Friggin tyrant!

What are you smoking? Who are YOU ADMINS? What admin put what person down? Who is yelling and how can you tell from text? Who is making fun of people? The mods have a tough job here, we dont get paid but we try to keep things in order while allowing the members to discuss, argue, and inform. We do though have TOU (terms of use) If one chooses not to follow it, they dont have to come here.

All I ask is that you look at the facts or lack of them before typing up a parargraph of nonsense.

You are correct, and I have always said it too, the forum is made up of its members but to violate the TOU will not be tolerated. This thread has not been closed. So relax, its all good and enjoy your stay

Let me break it down real simple for you guys. The original owners of this site (and now admin/moderators) own evosport. Evosport uses PC to tune their cars. What do you think happens to threads or posts which would effect evosports business (aka negative posts about them or PC)? What do you think happens to the members that post the negative things? If anyone thinks this forum is unbiased they definitely need to look deeper. This has been going on for a long time. It's nothing new. I have never heard a single positive comment about Wayne at PC aside from those who stand to make a profit from their business thriving. This site is a business and run by a business. They are extremely biased towards the former owners (look at who all the admin/mods are)

MBWorld is owned by Internet Brands, a publicly traded company.
Trust Brad and Simon earned proper remuneration for selling the forum they founded, as well they should have.

The moderators, some of whom I’ve had occasion to personally make acquaintance, are upstanding gentlemen merely volunteering their time to help ensure our collective bipolarity is somewhat kept in check. Nevertheless, it’s a thankless task.

Have previously received a warning from an administrator for chiming in on another contributing and respected member’s tuning thread. Fact is it was surreptitiously altered, i.e., no “edited by..” notation in its footer. It’s fair to say each of us has his biases, for whatever reasons, with regards to MB hardware/software vendors and their respective independent upgrade facilities. It’s evidently another matter entirely when such posts’ can potentially affect a man’s livelihood.

AMGSC- hope for you a timely resolution to your ongoing nightmare.

That's the problem Brad is that you're always jumping to the defense of PC when the bashing may be warranted. Why not let them defend their own company?

Since you seem to be their mouthpiece. Let me ask you this: How was the $10k quote derived?


A) PC was upset with the customer, so they quoted a ridiculous price out of spite and/or didn't want to touch a problem car, so they priced themselves out?


B) PC presented a formal estimate breaking down the costs showing the number of labor hours, the parts that may or may not be needed, and the process to complete?


The way it sounds to me is that PC was upset with the customer, and gave him a big F.U. with the 10k quote.