AMGSC's issue with Vadim/Powerchips...?
10-30-2009, 02:16 PM
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AMGSC's issue with Vadim/Powerchips...?
Can someone direct me to the thread, I cant seem to find it and am concerned for Robert.
10-30-2009, 02:25 PM
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Its gone. I just got off the phone with Robert, Total nice guy and strait shooter. I just brought it to his attention that it was removed. The thread in the C55 section is still up as far as I know.
10-30-2009, 02:35 PM
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I think it is BS! Someone better clear up why it would be deleted when a member was getting screwed and we were all coming together to help! Do the sponsors run this board or what! J
10-30-2009, 02:39 PM
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I thought it was my computer was acting weird.
Why would this thread be deleted?
Are the admins protecting the accused by silencing the victim?
Please tell me this is not the case.
Why would this thread be deleted?
Are the admins protecting the accused by silencing the victim?
Please tell me this is not the case.
10-30-2009, 02:40 PM
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Why do these threads regarding theft, fraud, etc. keep disappearing from the Board? If these threads would have been left intact it probably would have saved some members a pile of money. The truth can't exist in PM's alone.
10-30-2009, 02:43 PM
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It was “merged” to the c55 forum for technicality purposes is what I read. but now it’s locked. It is what it is I guess… It was a crappy thread for all involved anyway.
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10-30-2009, 02:48 PM
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There is a little bit of it going on begining at the bottom of page 3 on this thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ght-now-3.html
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What's it with you guys? You ask for the other side, and when it's presented you ignore it and continue bashing "say it isn't so oooohhh mbworldd" 
Makes perfect sense to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Quit being a lynch-mob, it's just business. The greater the risk, the greater the reward... shame on Powerchip. 
Originally Posted by otoupalik
Robert's car is a bit of a potential problem for anyone. Robert has called many shops looking for another place to work on or finish his car. I know that at least one of them has quoted him a very high amount (it was us, evosport) due to the fact that there are so many known problems and shortcuts with the car, the risks to work on it are high. With high risks, you better get a high reward - so that comes with a higher price tag.
Quit being a lynch-mob, it's just business. The greater the risk, the greater the reward... shame on Powerchip.
10-30-2009, 03:41 PM
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Wow, I like your reasoning for the overcharge.
Kinda like saying the **** deserved to be raped because she was a hoe to begin with. You deserve a purple ribbon genious.
On a more serious note, why are the same cylinders malfunctioning? I thought the block and internals were replaced with new ones.
Can someone clarify this please.
Kinda like saying the **** deserved to be raped because she was a hoe to begin with. You deserve a purple ribbon genious.
On a more serious note, why are the same cylinders malfunctioning? I thought the block and internals were replaced with new ones.
Can someone clarify this please.
10-30-2009, 03:54 PM
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What is all this Hush Hush bull**** between PC and FD?
I'm on my way to pick up my car at 2:30pm. I hear it's STILL not finished. I may have to tow it out.
High risk? It's got brand new AMG E55K shortblock in it. Even Travis said it did not pose any risk and that Vadim's work to drop it into the car and connect it to the tranny was not an issue.
However, he mentioned to me that Wayne does not like people bad-mouthing his company and thinks that I did.
For anyone who has purchased a Powerchip tune, beware. If you ever mention that you are dissatisfied with their tune then this is what might happen to you if you need a re-tune.
I paid for a tune and again for re-tune to Vadim but not sure if I ever got a tune. Last year before the engine rebuild project started, I mentioned that my car was running lean when I took it an independent dyno but assumed Vadim was doing the tuning himself. I never said Powerchip was responsible for the lean condition.
Regardless, I fear that anyone who Powerchip PERCIEVES as saying anything negative will get this type of treatment when they need their services.
Maybe that is why so few members are willing to speak out on this forum if they are not satisified.
High risk? It's got brand new AMG E55K shortblock in it. Even Travis said it did not pose any risk and that Vadim's work to drop it into the car and connect it to the tranny was not an issue.
However, he mentioned to me that Wayne does not like people bad-mouthing his company and thinks that I did.
For anyone who has purchased a Powerchip tune, beware. If you ever mention that you are dissatisfied with their tune then this is what might happen to you if you need a re-tune.
I paid for a tune and again for re-tune to Vadim but not sure if I ever got a tune. Last year before the engine rebuild project started, I mentioned that my car was running lean when I took it an independent dyno but assumed Vadim was doing the tuning himself. I never said Powerchip was responsible for the lean condition.
Regardless, I fear that anyone who Powerchip PERCIEVES as saying anything negative will get this type of treatment when they need their services.
Maybe that is why so few members are willing to speak out on this forum if they are not satisified.
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Wow, I like your reasoning for the overcharge.
Kinda like saying the **** deserved to be raped because she was a hoe to begin with. You deserve a purple ribbon genious.
On a more serious note, why are the same cylinders malfunctioning? I thought the block and internals were replaced with new ones.
Can someone clarify this please.
Kinda like saying the **** deserved to be raped because she was a hoe to begin with. You deserve a purple ribbon genious.
On a more serious note, why are the same cylinders malfunctioning? I thought the block and internals were replaced with new ones.
Can someone clarify this please.
I'd continue to further explain the concept Otoupalik tried to outline for this community, but it's clear you have the IQ equivalent of a brick and any argument presented supporting a side that's not your own, will be dealt with your bad analogies and your failed sense of humor.
10-30-2009, 04:02 PM
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His car is parked outside with about 2 inches of dust on it. 1 inch per year. I was there just last Saturday. Mine only had 1 inch of dust..
10-30-2009, 04:28 PM
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On the contrary Akedemiks, I (and I'm sure lots of others) are interested in your further explaination of Otoupalik's concept...
You have my undivided attentiion.
And while your at it, please let me know your thoughts in regards to Havoc's car as well.
You have my undivided attentiion.
And while your at it, please let me know your thoughts in regards to Havoc's car as well.
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Originally Posted by Otoupalik
Whoa, this thread is out of control! lol
I started multi-quoting, but then gave up.
Listen, I think that some clarity and perspective might help.
Vadim and Powerchip are NOT the same company. Any money paid to Vadim or business given to him has nothing to do with Powerchip. Vadim rented space from Powerchip and purchased goods like any other customer - that was the extent of the business relationship. People who say "Robert paid Vadim all this money, so Powerchip owes Rabert" are so wrong. Anything that Robert paid to Vadim is between Robert and Vadim - it has NOTHING to do with Powerchip.
Robert's car is a bit of a potential problem for anyone. Robert has called many shops looking for another place to work on or finish his car. I know that at least one of them has quoted him a very high amount (it was us, evosport) due to the fact that there are so many known problems and shortcuts with the car, the risks to work on it are high. With high risks, you better get a high reward - so that comes with a higher price tag.
Taking a known problem car is a losing bet for nearly any shop or tuner. You have a customer that has already spent lot's of money with one shop and not reached their goals, so they have little money left. Then they want the new shop to fix everything (which typically means undo and redo everything) for less money. That does not make sense.
For those that say "Powerchip just did not want to do it" well that is not true. They did want to do it, at their price. It was clearly not worth it to them to take on the risk with this car for any less of a financial reward.
Should they by punished for that? WHY would they? It is called free-market. If Robert does not like it, he can gladly go to another tuner or shop. There is no problem that I see in any of this.
Maybe some of you need an analogy. I used to be a business and turn-around consultant. In that industry, you basically apply the same tools to each job. However, the price to the customer is radically different. If you believe you can fix the problem easily and in little time with no "follow up" or "warranty" work on the back end, then the price is lower. If you know you will have a lot of face time and follow up meetings, then you price it much higher. It is the same here.
To sum it up - risk must equal reward. There is a significant risk to work on this car. As such, Powerchip internally decided that it only made sense for them if the reward was $10,000.
Like it or not, that is a totally practical and rational business decision.
Enough has been discussed on this, there is nothing more to gain. People will have their own opinions and are entitled to them. What I am not OK with is a company being bashed for making legitimate business decisions.
Robert - if you believe in another tuner, go to them. That is your choice and it sounds like almost anyone here would support you in that.
thanks
Brad
I started multi-quoting, but then gave up.
Listen, I think that some clarity and perspective might help.
Vadim and Powerchip are NOT the same company. Any money paid to Vadim or business given to him has nothing to do with Powerchip. Vadim rented space from Powerchip and purchased goods like any other customer - that was the extent of the business relationship. People who say "Robert paid Vadim all this money, so Powerchip owes Rabert" are so wrong. Anything that Robert paid to Vadim is between Robert and Vadim - it has NOTHING to do with Powerchip.
Robert's car is a bit of a potential problem for anyone. Robert has called many shops looking for another place to work on or finish his car. I know that at least one of them has quoted him a very high amount (it was us, evosport) due to the fact that there are so many known problems and shortcuts with the car, the risks to work on it are high. With high risks, you better get a high reward - so that comes with a higher price tag.
Taking a known problem car is a losing bet for nearly any shop or tuner. You have a customer that has already spent lot's of money with one shop and not reached their goals, so they have little money left. Then they want the new shop to fix everything (which typically means undo and redo everything) for less money. That does not make sense.
For those that say "Powerchip just did not want to do it" well that is not true. They did want to do it, at their price. It was clearly not worth it to them to take on the risk with this car for any less of a financial reward.
Should they by punished for that? WHY would they? It is called free-market. If Robert does not like it, he can gladly go to another tuner or shop. There is no problem that I see in any of this.
Maybe some of you need an analogy. I used to be a business and turn-around consultant. In that industry, you basically apply the same tools to each job. However, the price to the customer is radically different. If you believe you can fix the problem easily and in little time with no "follow up" or "warranty" work on the back end, then the price is lower. If you know you will have a lot of face time and follow up meetings, then you price it much higher. It is the same here.
To sum it up - risk must equal reward. There is a significant risk to work on this car. As such, Powerchip internally decided that it only made sense for them if the reward was $10,000.
Like it or not, that is a totally practical and rational business decision.
Enough has been discussed on this, there is nothing more to gain. People will have their own opinions and are entitled to them. What I am not OK with is a company being bashed for making legitimate business decisions.
Robert - if you believe in another tuner, go to them. That is your choice and it sounds like almost anyone here would support you in that.
thanks
Brad
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Three sides to every story IMHO: Party A, Party B and the truth. Whats up with this post below, a public apology to Vadim. Dont have all the facts so I wont bandwagon this situation like others. I bet you I could start a thread about another tuner and gather pages of support even if it was not the truth.
Check this post out by AMGSC. It seems like there is a lot more to what is happening. Im sure we can get one side, but can we get the other side and the truth?
And the other thread was not deleted on the E55 forum, only moved to the C55 as Otoupalik stated. It then got out of hand and was closed.
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Check this post out by AMGSC. It seems like there is a lot more to what is happening. Im sure we can get one side, but can we get the other side and the truth?
And the other thread was not deleted on the E55 forum, only moved to the C55 as Otoupalik stated. It then got out of hand and was closed.
Click Here
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ones too fast according to CHP!
Robert is a nice guy and I hope he can get his issues straightened out.
What's it with you guys? You ask for the other side, and when it's presented you ignore it and continue bashing "say it isn't so oooohhh mbworldd"
Makes perfect sense to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Quit being a lynch-mob, it's just business. The greater the risk, the greater the reward... shame on Powerchip.
Makes perfect sense to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Quit being a lynch-mob, it's just business. The greater the risk, the greater the reward... shame on Powerchip.
At least someone "get's it" - it is always the site, the mods, the admins, etc. It is always our fault. lol.
I'm on my way to pick up my car at 2:30pm. I hear it's STILL not finished. I may have to tow it out.
High risk? It's got brand new AMG E55K shortblock in it. Even Travis said it did not pose any risk and that Vadim's work to drop it into the car and connect it to the tranny was not an issue.
However, he mentioned to me that Wayne does not like people bad-mouthing his company and thinks that I did.
For anyone who has purchased a Powerchip tune, beware. If you ever mention that you are dissatisfied with their tune then this is what might happen to you if you need a re-tune.
I paid for a tune and again for re-tune to Vadim but not sure if I ever got a tune. Last year before the engine rebuild project started, I mentioned that my car was running lean when I took it an independent dyno but assumed Vadim was doing the tuning himself. I never said Powerchip was responsible for the lean condition.
Regardless, I fear that anyone who Powerchip PERCIEVES as saying anything negative will get this type of treatment when they need their services.
Maybe that is why so few members are willing to speak out on this forum if they are not satisified.
High risk? It's got brand new AMG E55K shortblock in it. Even Travis said it did not pose any risk and that Vadim's work to drop it into the car and connect it to the tranny was not an issue.
However, he mentioned to me that Wayne does not like people bad-mouthing his company and thinks that I did.
For anyone who has purchased a Powerchip tune, beware. If you ever mention that you are dissatisfied with their tune then this is what might happen to you if you need a re-tune.
I paid for a tune and again for re-tune to Vadim but not sure if I ever got a tune. Last year before the engine rebuild project started, I mentioned that my car was running lean when I took it an independent dyno but assumed Vadim was doing the tuning himself. I never said Powerchip was responsible for the lean condition.
Regardless, I fear that anyone who Powerchip PERCIEVES as saying anything negative will get this type of treatment when they need their services.
Maybe that is why so few members are willing to speak out on this forum if they are not satisified.
Of course a company may treat you worse or charge you more if you bad mouth them. Isn't that again part of the risk/reward equation? There is clearly more risk isn't there?
I expected an immature response from you, and you delivered. Genius.
I'd continue to further explain the concept Otoupalik tried to outline for this community, but it's clear you have the IQ equivalent of a brick and any argument presented supporting a side that's not your own, will be dealt with your bad analogies and your failed sense of humor.
I'd continue to further explain the concept Otoupalik tried to outline for this community, but it's clear you have the IQ equivalent of a brick and any argument presented supporting a side that's not your own, will be dealt with your bad analogies and your failed sense of humor.
Thanks
Brad
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Tech-tune was asking about Havoc's car too... Does appear concerning. Last I checked Vadim was banned. This is all concerning given the "community" trust of this site.
Anyway, thanks for getting involved answering some of the questions otpupalik.
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Anyway, thanks for getting involved answering some of the questions otpupalik.
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10-30-2009, 04:58 PM
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Akedemics, we obviously see things differently. I preffer a compationate approach to resolving people's problems, maybe you preffer capitalizing on them. Different strokes for different folks, its all good.
Can someone answer me this: Did Vadim tell Robert it would cost 10K for a tune when he first took on the project, or after his car was dismantled in his shop for over a year?
AMGSC could you answer this for me?
Can someone answer me this: Did Vadim tell Robert it would cost 10K for a tune when he first took on the project, or after his car was dismantled in his shop for over a year?
AMGSC could you answer this for me?
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Akedemics, we obviously see things differently. I preffer a compationate approach to resolving people's problems, maybe you preffer capitalizing on them. Different strokes for different folks, its all good.
Can someone answer me this: Did Vadim tell Robert it would cost 10K for a tune when he first took on the project, or after his car was dismantled in his shop for over a year?
AMGSC could you answer this for me?
Can someone answer me this: Did Vadim tell Robert it would cost 10K for a tune when he first took on the project, or after his car was dismantled in his shop for over a year?
AMGSC could you answer this for me?
Secondly, seeing differently? Ok, it's quite obvious you don't own your own business or ever taken Business 101-- you're in business to make a profit not be "compassionate". When "compassion" can pay your overhead, you let me know.
