Peter210

After being disappointed with the new W212 E63 (check my previous post) I am debating if I should keep my W211 E63 or perhaps seek another toy. The car was purchased brand new and in general has been serving me well.

The engine however needed a few repairs which in my view should have never happened to begin with. So much from being “hand built”.

Intake Manifold Gaskets were replaced at 20K miles, Lifters (all) at 25K and most recent repair involved a new Valve Body at 31K. Isn’t this ridiculous???

C280 Sport

Just wondering what did you do to a brand new 6.3 that it needs engine work already?

Peter210

Absolutely nothing and that’s my point… I’ve never raced or abused the car. No repaints dents or scratches. It is being pampered since day one.

Oil changes are done every 5-6K miles. I treat this car better than I treat myself and it just craps out every so often. I was thinking of holding it for a bit but if this BS continues I’ll be in the service department more than on the street driving it.

It had already gotten to the point where I was going to squeeze a lemon juice out of it but I am too busy to deal with it.

C280 Sport

ehhh ya you could of got a lemon. If its that bad just trade it in. We have had Benz since 1980. Never had any issues. Sorry to hear this.

LB63

No issues here.

However I heard the lifters tend to make noise and after having it fixed it should not be a problem ever again. Regarding the intake gaskets, that should never be a problem again too since you had it repaired.

However, I have not heard of anyone needing a new valve body. What were the problems?

As far as I know the lifters and intake gaskets are the only problems with the 6.2, so you should be fine now that you have them fixed

MB_Forever

I have never had a problem with mine a lot of times, the dealer just likes to replace stuff so that they can bill mbusa and generate revenue. You should try taking it to another dealer and have them run a complete diagnostic to see what's really going on.

220S

No problems here, but these cars are fairly young (2007); plus you seem to have put more miles on then others here. I think it's hard to assess true reliability on all E63s at this point in time.

But issues are no different than you can get with BMW M5s, imho. Or 997s, etc.. Or the new W212 (same engine plus MCT that was a plague on the SLs for a while.) It's all a crap shoot, really.

You had the warranty work done and so now there's even less to happen. That's one way to look at it, I suppose.

QuadBenz

If it helps, my ML63 has about 34,000 miles on it and we've not had one single issue with the engine. It's been flawless so far. Maybe your builder was in a bad mood that day?

jbrinkley

don't want to pile on with the bad stuff, but

steering rack
(1) cam adjuster

I'll feel better if I get another 1500 miles on it without getting towed.
I like to think it wasn't treated very while it sat around for a little over a year before I bought it.
we'll see

Yuille36

The only thing a had to replace was the drivers rear air strut, it had completely bottomed out after sitting for several days. But would pop right back, after starting the car. Took in it, diagnosed as a faulty air strut, replaced under warranty. I looked really cool slammed. No further issues, runs like a Beast.

DAGREEKNYC

i have 29k and they are all abused miles and the car runs great !!!!!!!!!!!!

itsmeek

I am NOT trying to start a debate here- but sell the n/a 63, go to an e55 for now, then when the turbo'd 63's come out, upgrade. The n/a platform makes no sense to me.

Yuille36

There is no replacement for displacement. While Audi and BMW have embraced turbocharging, Mercedes has -- by and large -- stuck with large displacement, naturally aspirated engines. However, If a recent report is to be believed, that's set to change late next year. If you like the size, simplicity and sound of the normally aspirated 6.2-liter V8 found throughout the current Mercedes-Benz AMG lineup, better buy one soon, cuz it's about to get the ax.
Dr. Thomas Weber, member of the board at Daimler AG Group Research & Mercedes-Benz Cars Development, told Inside Line that the current engine will be replaced by a twin-turbo 5.5-liter V8 starting late next year. No horsepower numbers were discussed, but given the current trend toward more usable, more environmentally friendly horsepower, don't expect numbers much higher than those for the current engines.
AMG vehicles won't be the only Mercedes models getting turbocharged next year. According to Dr. Weber, all 2011 Mercedes-Benz models with V8 engines will be turbocharged. Again, no specifics were discussed, but look for standard Mercedes-Benz vehicles to get a twin-turbo V8 in the 4.5- to 5.0-liter range.
Expect to see the official announcement at the 2010 Paris Auto Show next September.
And that's not all. Under Mercedes' reported plan to downsize its powertrains, all V8s will shrink in size for 2011, with turbocharging making up for the power deficit. If true the move to smaller displacement engines would help increase efficiency while also reducing CO2 emissions. While the report only mentions V8 engines, we're guessing there's a good chance Mercedes could use more turbos in its V6 product lineup as well. The move will help the German automaker meet more strict emissions laws in both Europe and the U.S., while giving the torque-craving masses what they need.

DAGREEKNYC

y????? only thing the 55 has over the 63 is the ease of modding .

All around the newer model is the better car .

Yuille36

And the large list of availible parts on the market.

itsmeek

Malaka- I was suggesting it as a way of saving money for now, and saving himself from buyers remorse when the twin turbo'd replacement for the e63 hits the market in a year or so.

Yuille36

itsmeek,

According to what I posted, it doesn't seem like the 5.5 liter will me pushing much more hp then the current 6.3 is now.

itsmeek

Yuille, direct injection codes have been cracked already. I can not honestly think that those cars will not be tweakable to add triple digits additional tq and hp to the stock numbers w/only boost controller and tune. If they will be 5.5's they will prob be exactly what I have in my 55 amg already with some updates. These engines can take an assload of additional power.

Yuille36

itsmeek,

So the 55 must have a heafty beefier block to take the assload of hp and tq that Mercedes is going the throw at it, with twin turbos? What is the maximum hp and tq do you think that 63 is capable of handling in your own opinion?

itsmeek

I have NO IDEA what the 6.2 liter block can handle. None at all.

rarfinancial

Well, so far I've seen 612.7 rwhp at 5600 rpm and 650tq at 4300 rpm. It got a little scary that's why I stopped at such a low rpm. The HP was still climing fast when we stopped. This was done on a DYNO DYNAMICS. Also with Nitrous. We picked this dyno because it is very hard to get good #'s on it. We had to tighten the straps many times to keep the tires from burning out when the nitrous kicked in. I was awsome and scary..

DAGREEKNYC

what are u putting down without the NOS ???

rarfinancial

This Dyno runs that day were to get the nitrous dialed in so the A/F would be safe. So we didn't really go for the all out non nitrous pulls, as in let the car cool, etc. I will dig up that graph but it was in the low 500's..

Peter210

LB63,

Yes the lifter noise is somewhat common. (Provided you know what to listen to and report to Service)

I am very close with the MB Service crew and even some FSE’s and I know that S500 and S550 have lifters replaced here and there. This only provides a little comfort… The truth is that no one should even touch the engine within first 100-150K miles. That’s my belief and this is what bothers me the most.

QuadBenz,

We are certainly on the same page. I was seriously thinking Helmut who assembled my engine either didn’t get it ;-) or had too much Oktoberfest the night before he went to work. And there goes my luck! ;-)))

Peter210

I want this one!!! Please!!!