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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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SportI/SportII settings and negative camber

When I picked up my E55 this past weekend the previous owner stated that he kept the suspension set on comfort because his tech that he used said that both Sport modes introduced negative camber to the stance which would eat the inside of the tires. I hate getting information of a he-said she-said nature, but I have to ask. How much of this is truth? I just don't see a whole bunch of disastrous camber being added by a 20mm drop.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HoustonE55
When I picked up my E55 this past weekend the previous owner stated that he kept the suspension set on comfort because his tech that he used said that both Sport modes introduced negative camber to the stance which would eat the inside of the tires. I hate getting information of a he-said she-said nature, but I have to ask. How much of this is truth? I just don't see a whole bunch of disastrous camber being added by a 20mm drop.
That what my alignment guy told me too. He set my alignment to comfort setting but when set in Sport 2 the alignment changed. His shop only work on German cars so I believe him.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Yup, definitely some truth to that. My two fronts look brand new from the outside, but the inside are all gone. And yes, I've always rock the sportII mode.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Hmmm....I wonder how bad the camber gets with a Star drop?
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HoustonE55
Hmmm....I wonder how bad the camber gets with a Star drop?
Real bad, to the point you will need the "crash bolts" to get enough camber adjustment. I have the part number and pic of the OEM camber bolts, but it is on my other computer.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:29 PM
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Real bad, to the point you will need the "crash bolts" to get enough camber adjustment. I have the part number and pic of the OEM camber bolts, but it is on my other computer.
I'd appreciate that info when you get a chance.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
Real bad, to the point you will need the "crash bolts" to get enough camber adjustment. I have the part number and pic of the OEM camber bolts, but it is on my other computer.
+1 It gets pretty bad when I'm dumped in Sport II
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HoustonE55
I'd appreciate that info when you get a chance.
Found it here,

https://mbworld.org/forums/3344784-post11.html
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Interesting information, I never thought changing the sport modes could cause this but it makes sense... Comfort does give a good ride but I really like the lowered stance when in sport 2 mode... My car isn't lowered so I rely on sport 2 for that aggressive look... I guess I'll have to live with uneven wear for now...
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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the alignment machine cannot even read my camber becasue by car is to low. crash bolts only offer 1/2 degree of correction. the right way to do it is to get the KMAC camber kit. AUS-E55 a local houston member has the kmac kit on his car.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by shardul
the alignment machine cannot even read my camber becasue by car is to low. crash bolts only offer 1/2 degree of correction. the right way to do it is to get the KMAC camber kit. AUS-E55 a local houston member has the kmac kit on his car.
Same here, I had to get the KMAC kit inorder to get the alignment setting to factory spec.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 12:02 AM
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does kmac now make the proper parts for the w211?
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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does kmac now make the proper parts for the w211?
100% perfect and well made, probably better than OEM in IMO.

fitted KMAC bushes this month on the front and MB ARTS arms on the rear, great results as car was well out of spec before and eating tyres. 40/50mm lowered and all back into camber spec

castor was also adjusted as far forward as possible which stiffened up the steering.

lowering the W211 from original spec results in very fast tyre wear.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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100% perfect and well made, probably better than OEM in IMO.

fitted KMAC bushes this month on the front and MB ARTS arms on the rear, great results as car was well out of spec before and eating tyres. 40/50mm lowered and all back into camber spec

castor was also adjusted as far forward as possible which stiffened up the steering.

lowering the W211 from original spec results in very fast tyre wear.
that's great to hear! i already have the mbarts camber arms and toe links so i'll jump on the kmac bushings as well. i went to their sight and am having a hard time determining which part number is for our cars (w211). can you kindly post the part numbers you purchased?
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 10:32 PM
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that's great to hear! i already have the mbarts camber arms and toe links so i'll jump on the kmac bushings as well. i went to their sight and am having a hard time determining which part number is for our cars (w211). can you kindly post the part numbers you purchased?
part no. 502216K . x4 bushes in the kit which do castor and camber. PITA with out the right tools. The extraction tool included in the kit makes the job even more difficult to do.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...highlight=kmac

the link is in this thread for the correct bushes, they fit many MB's.

who installed your rear arms? just curious, because it took me hours due to the bolts being siezed on the existing arms. Had to deflate the air bags and remove them also.

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Old Jul 30, 2010 | 08:13 PM
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I aligned my E55 in Comfort mode but drive all the time in Sport 2 mode. Here's what happened after about 15K miles. I guess I need the camber kit. Did anyone do a DIY on this... Searching now.

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Old Jul 31, 2010 | 03:13 AM
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part no. 502216K . x4 bushes in the kit which do castor and camber. PITA with out the right tools. The extraction tool included in the kit makes the job even more difficult to do.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...highlight=kmac

the link is in this thread for the correct bushes, they fit many MB's.

who installed your rear arms? just curious, because it took me hours due to the bolts being siezed on the existing arms. Had to deflate the air bags and remove them also.

cheers
the mbarts parts are getting ready to be installed so any tips would be much appreciated. i also need to replace the rear driver's side airmatic due to a slow leak and was going to do this as two seperate jobs. it sounds like maybe i should do it all at the same time...right???
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Old Jul 31, 2010 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dpavid
I aligned my E55 in Comfort mode but drive all the time in Sport 2 mode. Here's what happened after about 15K miles. I guess I need the camber kit. Did anyone do a DIY on this... Searching now.

Holy crap. I can't believe they'd allow the suspension to create so much negative camber in Sport II. That's some serious wear and serious camber to create that. Must be nice in the corners though.
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Old Jul 31, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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Guess now you can see why they call it "sport"
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Old Jul 31, 2010 | 03:56 PM
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Guess now you can see why they call it "sport"
Uhh yeah, they weren't lying. I thought the adjustment was more about damping rate and ride height.
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so when the car has been lowered the choice for peeps is comfort mode ? Or sport II? IM always in sport 2
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Old Jul 31, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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I used to ride in sports 2 all the time.. But after tearing up a set of continentals in <15k miles... I'm sticking to comfort
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Old Aug 1, 2010 | 10:02 AM
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I was looking at the KMAC kit, and see that the part # for the E55 (W211) is the same as: Charger, Magnum and 300C.. So I did some searches on that, and there are options availible, for a fraction of the cost. Question is, would it work? If diameters and length are identical (which the common KMAC part number indictaes), we should be able to buy the same quality of (front) camber correction. What do you think?
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Old Aug 1, 2010 | 10:26 AM
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Why not align in Sport II and then when in comfort it wears center or outside. I also play with tire pressure to get the most life out of the tires. Run the pressure a little high and it will wears to the inside of the tire if the pressure is low it will wear the outer edges. Now that i have a renntech II ELM with remote. I don't know what to do. Car raises and lowers at different speeds.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
the mbarts parts are getting ready to be installed so any tips would be much appreciated. i also need to replace the rear driver's side airmatic due to a slow leak and was going to do this as two seperate jobs. it sounds like maybe i should do it all at the same time...right???
Skip the MBArts parts. They don't fit correctly and will cause more headaches than they fix
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