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10-28-2010, 11:50 AM
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Not sure if you're serious.... 1320 IS the 1/4 mile.
I searched and read the two blown motors threads that popped up.
So you and aleksandar1099 had blown motors. Yours sounds legitimate, his did not [his mistake, not the tuners... you can't blame a tuner if you blow your motor up when flashed with a stock map]
Both threads referenced deleted threads...which other members had threads deleted?
I searched and read the two blown motors threads that popped up.
So you and aleksandar1099 had blown motors. Yours sounds legitimate, his did not [his mistake, not the tuners... you can't blame a tuner if you blow your motor up when flashed with a stock map]
Both threads referenced deleted threads...which other members had threads deleted?
Metal said no one goes to the 1320' so i agreed
Waoo you actually had the time to read through all of that? there is plenty of info there my friend and plenty of BS also... i had mine closed!! we were getting nowhere and i had no time to reply to all the PM's..
10-28-2010, 11:54 AM
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Thanks for sharing.
A tuner in Houston [SGP Racing] blew 2 turbos and then the motor on my old track car...when going for a conservative tune that could handle the extra stressors inherently associated with tracking a car in 95* Texas heat.
They had an incredible reputation when the car got to them, but by the time they were able to get around to working on my car 6 months later, they were the worst of the scum as far as reputation was concerned.
Thus, things change in the tuning world quite rapidly, and it is all the more important to have facts and not emotions.
A tuner in Houston [SGP Racing] blew 2 turbos and then the motor on my old track car...when going for a conservative tune that could handle the extra stressors inherently associated with tracking a car in 95* Texas heat.
They had an incredible reputation when the car got to them, but by the time they were able to get around to working on my car 6 months later, they were the worst of the scum as far as reputation was concerned.
Thus, things change in the tuning world quite rapidly, and it is all the more important to have facts and not emotions.
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10-28-2010, 11:55 AM
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10-28-2010, 11:56 AM
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A common misconception , is that hot days are harder on the motor.. Hot and High DA days are actually much easier on a motor.. One, it makes much less power in a High D/A and second , ECU pulls more timing and ADD`s more fuel.. If you notice, most motors blow in cold, high power and minus D/A weather.. Now if you have a stand alone ECU, then amything can happen..
10-28-2010, 11:59 AM
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If 98% of you test and tune at the track where are all the time slips? Show me dyno numbers, thats where the real story is told. A dyno is a measurement tool of the rotational torque you can apply at the wheels, from which a hp number is extrapolated since Tq is a force and HP is a formula for work. Track numbers are about how you can put the power down into acceleration. All i see around here is burnout vids and childish flyby videos. Once again i see lots of PROOF of what Eurocharged claims from them and their customers.
. I really thought people understood the purpose of a dyno, but yet we have people like this making absurd comments. The real numbers are proven on the track and not on a dyno. You my friend have it all backwards. As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
10-28-2010, 12:02 PM
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WAO DUDE YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT UR OLD NAME I CAN SEE IT RIGHT THROUGH THE NEW ONE, SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE!! HOW IS THAT 600WHP CLS OF URS? Have you taken it to the 1/4 mile? better yet why dont you try the 1320' instead? 
Go race somebody on that pretty little dyno of yours! FULLTHROTTLE
Go race somebody on that pretty little dyno of yours! FULLTHROTTLE
10-28-2010, 12:18 PM
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WAO DUDE YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT UR OLD NAME I CAN SEE IT RIGHT THROUGH THE NEW ONE, SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE!! HOW IS THAT 600WHP CLS OF URS? Have you taken it to the 1/4 mile? better yet why dont you try the 1320' instead? Go race somebody on that pretty little dyno of yours! FULLTHROTTLE
Go race somebody on that pretty little dyno of yours! FULLTHROTTLEAutoscope and other shops actually have side by side dynos that they DO dyno racing on....which include launching, R/T, and 1/4 mile lol.
10-28-2010, 12:21 PM
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I didn't plan on getting into this discussion but after reading this, I just laughed. "Show me dyno numbers, that's where the real story is told".... I really thought people understood the purpose of a dyno, but yet we have people like this making absurd comments. The real numbers are proven on the track and not on a dyno. You my friend have it all backwards.
As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
. I really thought people understood the purpose of a dyno, but yet we have people like this making absurd comments. The real numbers are proven on the track and not on a dyno. You my friend have it all backwards. As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
I dont live my life 1/4 mile at a time. If my car makes the power it should on the dyno and has great street manners thats all im looking for. Beyond what people on these forums will admit to that's what 99% of enthusiasts want as well. If nothing else the lack of track times and other related data proves this point.
10-28-2010, 12:27 PM
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As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
The problem with the 1/4 to me is the different variables with track prep/ da / driver knowing how to launch/ this track is fast/slow etc. With the mile, no one launches hard, everyone rolls into it as from what I was hearing it really doesn't matter with the launch too much. I also inquired about weight of the car/switching to lighter drivers, and that is not really a factor as well as we saw during the runs.
The mile to me is more so about HP and the ability to manage that hp/iat's/timing over the entire run. You need a significant amount of HP to get past the 150mph wall.
I got this from Kurt who was with us at the mile. (average)
400 rwhp - 163mph
500 rwhp - 174mph
600 rwhp - 180 mph
700 rwhp - 188 mph
What I really found interesting is that the consistancy of the cars between runs. We were talking to some of the vette guys, and all the cars would fall within 170-172mph with the same mods.
Don't get me wrong, I feel as both are a significant tool in determining how the car is performing.
10-28-2010, 12:35 PM
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I honestly used to think that, until I attended the mile and learned more about it.
The problem with the 1/4 to me is the different variables with track prep/ da / driver knowing how to launch/ this track is fast/slow etc. With the mile, no one launches hard, everyone rolls into it as from what I was hearing it really doesn't matter with the launch too much. I also inquired about weight of the car/switching to lighter drivers, and that is not really a factor as well as we saw during the runs.
The mile to me is more so about HP and the ability to manage that hp/iat's/timing over the entire run. You need a significant amount of HP to get past the 150mph wall.
I got this from Kurt who was with us at the mile. (average)
400 rwhp - 163mph
500 rwhp - 174mph
600 rwhp - 180 mph
700 rwhp - 188 mph
What I really found interesting is that the consistancy of the cars between runs. We were talking to some of the vette guys, and all the cars would fall within 170-172mph with the same mods.
Don't get me wrong, I feel as both are a significant tool in determining how the car is performing.
The problem with the 1/4 to me is the different variables with track prep/ da / driver knowing how to launch/ this track is fast/slow etc. With the mile, no one launches hard, everyone rolls into it as from what I was hearing it really doesn't matter with the launch too much. I also inquired about weight of the car/switching to lighter drivers, and that is not really a factor as well as we saw during the runs.
The mile to me is more so about HP and the ability to manage that hp/iat's/timing over the entire run. You need a significant amount of HP to get past the 150mph wall.
I got this from Kurt who was with us at the mile. (average)
400 rwhp - 163mph
500 rwhp - 174mph
600 rwhp - 180 mph
700 rwhp - 188 mph
What I really found interesting is that the consistancy of the cars between runs. We were talking to some of the vette guys, and all the cars would fall within 170-172mph with the same mods.
Don't get me wrong, I feel as both are a significant tool in determining how the car is performing.
I have less mods that Exotic and "only" a Kleemann tune (168mm pulley) but my car done several (proven) runs on the mile to 179x and then finally a 180.01. is My car a "freak" or do track conditions affect the times dramatically?.
I was looking at perhaps a custom tune to get more power but now I'm not sure..
Paul
10-28-2010, 01:19 PM
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Can we all just get along? It's great that Jerry is improving with his tune and his customers are happy. I personally have Jeremy tuned my car and happy with it. But I'm sure that I don't want Jeremy monopolized the E55/AMG tuning scene. I'm very happy that there's another reliable tuning option out there for our flat-form. May be this will be the kick that we need to advance in the E55/AMG tuning scence? May be this will be the year that someone will go nuts and get into the 9's?
And to whoever said that the Mile run is the bench-mark, that's absolute crap!! How many people out there have a chance to go that fast in real life? The 1/4 mile have been the bench mark since forever and it's worked. I'll stick to the 1/4mile run for my car. I don't want to risk my life to prove something that someone think is the new bench-mark.
And to whoever said that the Mile run is the bench-mark, that's absolute crap!! How many people out there have a chance to go that fast in real life? The 1/4 mile have been the bench mark since forever and it's worked. I'll stick to the 1/4mile run for my car. I don't want to risk my life to prove something that someone think is the new bench-mark.
10-28-2010, 01:48 PM
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I didn't plan on getting into this discussion but after reading this, I just laughed. "Show me dyno numbers, that's where the real story is told".... I really thought people understood the purpose of a dyno, but yet we have people like this making absurd comments. The real numbers are proven on the track and not on a dyno. You my friend have it all backwards.
As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
. I really thought people understood the purpose of a dyno, but yet we have people like this making absurd comments. The real numbers are proven on the track and not on a dyno. You my friend have it all backwards. As far as performance on the track, whether it's the mile or the 1/4, each their own on where they want to run. IMO I would much rather have a strong running 1/4 mile car. It represents torque, hp, and the ability to launch your car. Plus, I just don't ever see myself exceeding speeds above 130 MPH on the streets.
10-28-2010, 02:07 PM
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Actually KLR CLS aka KLR CLS Says...
And what he says is true.
1. ET's for 1/4 mile represent a measure of a accelerative performance of all the systems of a vehicle vs physics( Work energy/mass/CO-friction/drag, etc)
2. HP as measured by a Dyno in Torque, and calculated by math is a measure of the potential to do work.
All things being equal ( ie using the same dyno under the same conditions) the higher HP reading means more potential work energy.
More specifically, if you use the same Dyno to do before and after mods, then you know exactly how much additional work energy those mods have contributed to.
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN:
You cannont scientifically compared one dyno to another more than you can one 1/4 run to another. Track to track Variables are no more mitigating than dyno to dyno.
Bottome line Is every mod I have added to my car has improved my performance either on the dyno or on the Track and Jerry has been a big part of this. His customer service is fantastic, and doesn't try to soak you on costs. ( he has retuned my ECU for free 3 times now, as he does for everone- OE tunning wants $250 per retune on top of an outrageously overprice dyno tune to start)
I recommend him without a second though....now where are my knee pads...
FULL THROTTLE AKA ROCKET BOOST SAYS "Show me dyno numbers, thats where the real story is told. A dyno is a measurement tool of the rotational torque you can apply at the wheels, from which a hp number is extrapolated since Tq is a force and HP is a formula for work. Track numbers are about how you can put the power down into acceleration"
1. ET's for 1/4 mile represent a measure of a accelerative performance of all the systems of a vehicle vs physics( Work energy/mass/CO-friction/drag, etc)
2. HP as measured by a Dyno in Torque, and calculated by math is a measure of the potential to do work.
All things being equal ( ie using the same dyno under the same conditions) the higher HP reading means more potential work energy.
More specifically, if you use the same Dyno to do before and after mods, then you know exactly how much additional work energy those mods have contributed to.
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN:
You cannont scientifically compared one dyno to another more than you can one 1/4 run to another. Track to track Variables are no more mitigating than dyno to dyno.
Bottome line Is every mod I have added to my car has improved my performance either on the dyno or on the Track and Jerry has been a big part of this. His customer service is fantastic, and doesn't try to soak you on costs. ( he has retuned my ECU for free 3 times now, as he does for everone- OE tunning wants $250 per retune on top of an outrageously overprice dyno tune to start)
I recommend him without a second though....now where are my knee pads...
10-28-2010, 02:43 PM
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Not sure if you're serious.... 1320 IS the 1/4 mile.
I searched and read the two blown motors threads that popped up.
So you and aleksandar1099 had blown motors. Yours sounds legitimate, his did not [his mistake, not the tuners... you can't blame a tuner if you blow your motor up when flashed with a stock map]
Both threads referenced deleted threads...which other members had threads deleted?
I searched and read the two blown motors threads that popped up.
So you and aleksandar1099 had blown motors. Yours sounds legitimate, his did not [his mistake, not the tuners... you can't blame a tuner if you blow your motor up when flashed with a stock map]
Both threads referenced deleted threads...which other members had threads deleted?
In regards to your question about the deleted threads, there were a few which were deleted out of resect, that no longer exists.
10-28-2010, 02:55 PM
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I dont know you, so please do not post misconceptions about me or my car. I took time to formulate a well written, well documented thread. I posted my car's entire experience not only from my own view, but those of many master mercedes technicians and other experienced third party sources. If you would like to venture further into why this happened and why others do not trust the abilities of the tune, it will divulge into a never ending battle with one side constantly attacking the other. I only started the thread after a countless number of personal attacks that I did not feel were warranted.
In regards to your question about the deleted threads, there were a few which were deleted out of resect, that no longer exists.
In regards to your question about the deleted threads, there were a few which were deleted out of resect, that no longer exists.
I have an inherent respect for your posts based on your DIY and STAR threads, I'm not trying to target your character at all. I simply garnered something different from your thread than was intended I guess.
If you need to PM me/feel the need to defend yourself, please do so. I certainly appreciate the desire for conflict avoidance.
10-28-2010, 03:21 PM
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I have less mods that Exotic and "only" a Kleemann tune (168mm pulley) but my car done several (proven) runs on the mile to 179x and then finally a 180.01. is My car a "freak" or do track conditions affect the times dramatically?.
I was looking at perhaps a custom tune to get more power but now I'm not sure..
Paul
I was looking at perhaps a custom tune to get more power but now I'm not sure..
Paul
From your 1 mile results post, it seems like the only mod that you don't have over brooke is the pistons. (well that and you have a airbox and he doesn't)
Can we all just get along? It's great that Jerry is improving with his tune and his customers are happy. I personally have Jeremy tuned my car and happy with it. But I'm sure that I don't want Jeremy monopolized the E55/AMG tuning scene. I'm very happy that there's another reliable tuning option out there for our flat-form. May be this will be the kick that we need to advance in the E55/AMG tuning scence? May be this will be the year that someone will go nuts and get into the 9's?
10-28-2010, 03:24 PM
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Lol wow. Guess they don't care about airflow or other dynamics that go on in the 1/4 like traction, aero, weight transfer etc etc
And to whoever said that the Mile run is the bench-mark, that's absolute crap!! How many people out there have a chance to go that fast in real life? The 1/4 mile have been the bench mark since forever and it's worked. I'll stick to the 1/4mile run for my car. I don't want to risk my life to prove something that someone think is the new bench-mark.
And those comparing peak dyno numbers are so lost. Lets just say all dyno's are equal (I know they aren't). Why can a 500whp car beat a 600whp car? Assuming equal cars, traction etc etc. Because one car might make 600whp at redline and make very little power below that whereas the 500whp car makes it in the usable rpm range and holds it constant. AREA UNDER THE CURVE > PEAK HP!!!!
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Why can a 500whp car beat a 600whp car? Assuming equal cars, traction etc etc. Because one car might make 600whp at redline and make very little power below that whereas the 500whp car makes it in the usable rpm range and holds it constant. AREA UNDER THE CURVE > PEAK HP!!!!
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10-28-2010, 03:31 PM
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And those comparing peak dyno numbers are so lost. Lets just say all dyno's are equal (I know they aren't). Why can a 500whp car beat a 600whp car? Assuming equal cars, traction etc etc. Because one car might make 600whp at redline and make very little power below that whereas the 500whp car makes it in the usable rpm range and holds it constant. AREA UNDER THE CURVE > PEAK HP!!!!
I would GLADLY take a 400whp car that makes it from 3k-6k, over a 500whp car that has a graph that looks like Mt everest anyday
So let me say it again
AREA UNDER THE CURVE
Damit: EC beat me to it, GOD I hate you guys
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those comparing peak dyno numbers are so lost. Lets just say all dyno's are equal (I know they aren't). Why can a 500whp car beat a 600whp car? Assuming equal cars, traction etc etc. Because one car might make 600whp at redline and make very little power below that whereas the 500whp car makes it in the usable rpm range and holds it constant. AREA UNDER THE CURVE > PEAK HP!!!!
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