You're the man Alan.

 

Add me to the list... if you havent already

 

yup, me too!

 

UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS,WHEN I FIRST PUT THIS KIT TOGETHER IT WAS WITH A USED CORE THAT I BOUGHT FROM ANOTHER MEMBER WHO BOUGHT IT USED.I WAS GETTING GOOD NUMBERS BUT I FOUND THE CORE WAS LEAKING INTERNALLY AS WELL AS EXTERNALLY FROM CRACKS.I SENT THE CORE BACK TO KC WHO DISCOVERED THAT AND SENT ME A NEW ONE FOR A NOMINAL FEE,NOT BAD SINCE I DIDN'T BUY THE ORIG. FROM HIM.THE SYSTEM RUNS SO COLD THAT IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING ANTI-FREEZE IN IT YOU CAN CRACK THE CORE.SO I INSTALLED THE NEW CORE,CHARGED UP THE SYSTEM,LET IDLE FOR 10 MINUTES, OUSIDE TEMPS WERE LOW TODAY AT 62 DEGREES. IAT WERE AT 57 DEGREES,STARTED DRIVING,IATS DROPPED TO 54 DEGREES.MADE A BLAST FROM 40-105ISH,SAW IATS GO TO 110 DEGREES. RECOVERED BACK T0 59 DEGREES IN ABOUT 1 MINUTE.PULLED ANOTHER 105ISH BLAST,SAME RESULTS.CRUISED @50 MPH FOR 5 MINUTES,54 DEGREES,STOPPED AT A LIGHT FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS,ACCL'D NORMALLY IATS DROPPED TO 48 THEN HELD AROUND 50-52 DEGREES.I'M PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THESE #'S,NEXT STEP IS BYPASSING THE H/E.REMEMBER I'M RUNNING THE STOCK PUMP,CODE3 HE,NO SPLIT SYSTEM.THE TEMPS SHOULD REMAIN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN HOTTER WEATHER SINCE WHEN IT'S COLD THE A/C DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD AND PRESSURES ARE DOWN.I SAW VERY MUCH THE SAME RESULTS @ 88 OUTSIDE TEMPS BUT W/ THE CRACKED CORE I WASN'T GETTING GOOD RECOVERY.I'M ALSO TESTING OUT THE RACE VALVE AGAIN TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS W/ THE GOOD CORE. I WAS REALLY HOPING TO GET SOME TESTING IN AT FAMOSO W/ SOME LOGGING W/ BASSN BUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK SO GOOD. BY THE WAY, HE SAW 38-39 DEGREE IATS THIS MORNING.I'M IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING A INSTALL MANUAL W/ LOT'S OF PICTURES FOR THIS KIT.I'M HOPING WHEN I GET BACK IN TOWN IN DEC. THAT WILL BE DONE.I WILL POST MORE UP WHEN I GET THE H/E BYPASSED AND TESTED.

 

hi,

are there any updates ?!?!!?!?

 

He broke it and made it into a beer cooler instead.

 

so u mean it is not working as planned ??!?!?!

 

It's working great! Scott is on vacation for a couple of weeks and should return next Friday. I believe he mentioned that he should have one kit to ship by the time he gets back. The other day my IAT's reached a low of 37 in 48 degree weather.

 

i hope i will be the lucky one to get it.

we really need to see if it works in our summer 50C lo0ol

our winter is about max 27C min 9C

 

Hey guys,

It looks like we finished up the final testing of the KC and it's a go! Scott and myself attended Famoso this past weekend to see how the system would perform at the track. I must say, it was a total success!

Scott's car ran a series of 10 hot lapped run with eight between 11.40-11.46 with 2 going into the 11.5's due to the 60' times. I have never seen an E55 hot lap so consistently....awesome! He then comes back and runs a PB of 11.37 after a slight 10 minute rest, running low on fuel LOL. We are talking literally back to back runs with no wait. There were many members here that witnessed this series of runs and they were all amazed. Hopefully they'll chime in and give their thoughts on his performance. Oh yeah, his car trapped 122-123 on all the runs.

I also had very good success with the KC and no ice. This was the first time I haven't used ice at the track since having the rear reservoir. I ran about a 11.006, 11.013, 11.025, and a few higher ones. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get into the 10's due to some other unrelated issues I was having. Either way the KC performed awesome with no hiccups.... I did try one run with ice and it didn't help one bit. It was really nice to be able to run without using ice, so much work.

Sun, Evan, and few other members felt the water in the rear reservoir and they will all agree it was freezing cold. The system actually worked so well I'm thinking of removing my rear reservoir to free up both weight and space, it worked that well. Scott and myself will be working on a much smaller remote system that will please everyone. Once I complete the manufacturing on the unit I'll test and compare to my rear reservoir.

Once again, thanks Scott for bringing this unit to the table and helping us reduce heat soak in a big way. Your car performed flawless and it's simplicity is truly amazing. Your car IMO was the most impressive car out there as far as consistency and low times go. You must have had over 50 runs in that day...LOL. That's not exaggerating either. I'm sure others appreciated your help and wisdom on the track.

 

I was at Famoso with Alan and Scott and I witnessed Scott's runs as well, and was very impressed with how consistent his car ran. The guy made (at least) 50 passes down the 1/4 mile. When I saw the pile of slips on his passenger seat, I was shocked. I actually didn't think they were all his but they were During Scott's 10 back-to-back passes, the guy at the stagine lines told me: that silver car ran more times than all of you guys combined

More importantly, Scott is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. He is an expert at what he does and always eager to help. Thanks again for joining us at Famoso Scott, I know it was a long drive for you especially in the last 4 days

 

If you remove your heat exchanger and your ac system fails for some reason you could be asking for trouble

 

Removing the HE would be a personal preference and is not needed to work well. Scott has the HE installed and his system worked flawless. All though if the HE is removed and the AC took a dump, I would think the results would be similar to a failed pump. At least if the AC fails I would know immediately and have the issue resolved.

 

I had quite a bit of time to check out the system and it does work guys. I put my hand in Alan's rear reservoir after a few runs and the water was still very cold. I could definitely attest to Scott running quite a few hot laps. I was surprised that he just kept lining up again and again and still running consistent 11.4's.

Absolutely amazing.

 

Any idea at what the cost is going to be?

 

Resevoir was ice cold, and DashDaq showed an idle IAT at 47 degrees with ambient at 63 degrees. IT WORKS.. I have dibs on one of the first sets .. maybe - If anyone honors my "dibs"

 

So with all the great things of Killer Chiller that Alan and Scott have been able to develop, what are the down side(s) or potential risks...with the system or has the setup just not been tested for long enough. I commend Alan and Scott for thinking outside the box ans addresing a critical performance issue of heat soak head on - it's this kind of innovatinve thinking that makes modding fun and worthwhile and truly caputres the enthusiast spirit for pushing the envelope! I'm just thinking of any potential risks or playing devel's advocate so to speak because this concept is amazing and wondering why MB never incorporporated something like this from the onset

 

 

 

Nice info...keep it coming guys!

What do all of us East coast guys do during the cold months (like now) ...I can't imagine having to run my AC out there today even for a second it's so cold

 

I run my AC all year around regardless but just at a higher temperature during the cooler months. It's been pretty cold over here the past couple of weeks and I've been running my cabin temps at 78. As long as the AC is on you'll benefit from the system.

I'm actually thinking of getting rid of my rear reservoir since the system worked so well.

 

Can anyone post datalogs with this system to see where timing stands. If it is being pulled or not.

 

I know Scott is on vacation, but if his times are any represenation: He ran about 20 11.4X runs back to back to back to back... I think it is safe to say he saw no heat soak, or pulled timing.

In terms of conditions, it was a tough day for everyone. None of the 11 sec BMWs got out of the 12's...

 

I NEED TO GO THROUGH MY LOGS STILL,BUT I THINK I SAW NO MORE THAN 142 DEGREE IAT'S AFTER GOING THROUGH THE TRAPS,THIS WAS W/ THE A/C ON THE WHOLE TIME.I DIDN'T GET TO INSTALL THE RACE VALVE BEFORE THE EVENT,( I WENT FROM DISNEYLAND TO MY HOUSE,440 MILES,LOADED UP THE CAR AND TOOLS IN AN HOUR AND DROVE BACK TO S.CA(340 MILES) SO I DIDN'T GET TO DO ALL I WANTED FOR TESTING.STARTING IAT'S WERE AROUND 62-68 DEGREES,OTHER CARS THERE WERE REPORTING IAT'S STARTING AROUND 95-110,W/ COOL DOWN/HOOD OPEN/ETC. I OPENED MY HOOD 1X AND IT WASN'T FOR COOLING. ELIMINATING THE H/E I SHOULD SEE AN 6-8 DEGREE REDUCTION,ALSO ELIMINATING THE H/E DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN TAKING IT OUT,A PLEXIGLASS SHIELD TO BLOCK THE FRONT OF THE H/E OFF FROM HOT OUTSIDE AIR SO THE SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD TO COOL THE WATER DOWN.THE H/E ACTS AS A HEAT SINK IN WARM WEATHER,SO IN THE COOLER MONTHS YOU CAN REMOVE THE COVER.FOR THOSE OF YOU W/ THE CONCERN OF WATER LEAKING ON THE TRACK W/ RUNNING THE A/C,I NEVER TURNED MY A/C OFF,NEVER SAW WATER DRIPPING BUT IT WAS A COOLER DAY.THIS IS WHERE THE RACE VALVE COMES IN,BY ONLY RUNNING THE KC AND NOT THE INTERIOR THE WATER YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE DRIPPING WOULD NOT BE.WHY IS GOING TO BE THE OBVIOUS ? SO I'LL TELL YOU.WHEN THE RACE VALVE IS INSTALLED AND NO COOLING EFFECT IS IN THE CABIN,THERE IS NO WATER DRIPPING FROM THE CAR WATER DRAINS, THE MOISTURE THAT THE KC PRODUCES IS INTERNAL OF THE CORE SO THERE IS SOME SLIGHT SWEATING ON THE OUTSIDE BUT NO DRIPPING.THE DRIPPING IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE CORE AND IS BEING ADDED TO THE COOLER SYSTEM YOU ARE USING,IE SPLIT RESERVOIR,STOCK ETC.ALSO HAVING NO H/E AND HAVING A SYSTEM FAILURE WOULD MEAN THE THE RESULT AS A I/C PUMP FAILURE,THE HEATED AIR IS TO HOT,S/C SHUTS DOWN,ENGINE IS PROTECTED.AS ALAN STATED YOU CAN RUN YOUR HEATER AT 80 DEGREES,YOU JUST HAVE TO PRESS THE A/C BUTTON AND YOU GET DEHUMIDIFIED AIR(SAME AS DEFROST) AND YOU GET THE BENEFITS OF LOWER IAT'S,MORE TIMING,BETTER FUEL ECONOMY POSSIBLY.AGAIN THIS IS NOT 1975 WHEN YOU TURNED ON YOUR A/C AND YOUR CAR ALMOST DIED,MOST MODERN SYSTEMS ONLY TAKE ABOUT 10-12 HP TO RUN A/C AND IF YOU BENEFIT 35-40HP THEN THAT'S 25+HP AND WHEN YOUR RUNNING ALL THESE MODS AND HEAT ADDERS,WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANOTHER 25HP BOLT ON.OF COURSE DYNO NUMBERS WOULD BE GREAT BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY,YET.I WILL TELL YOU I TURNED THE A/C OFF,RAN A 11.48,TURNED A/C ON ON THE WAY BACK TO THE STAGING AREA,RAN A 11.6(A/C OFF AGAIN FOR THE RUN)A/C BACK ON THEN RAN A 11.7.WITH THE A/C NEVER TURNED OFF I RAN COUNTLESS TIMES AND ALL MY TIMES(11.4'S) WERE CONSISTENT ENOUGH TO BE WITHIN 100'S OF A SECOND DIFFERENCE, I ALSO LOGGED ABUNCH OF THOSE BACK TO BACK RUNS SO I WILL HAVE SOME GOOD INFO ONCE I CK THEM OUT.THE OTHER THING IS KC TOLD ME THEY ARE CHANGING THEIR CORE DESIGN SO BEFORE I FINALIZE A KIT I NEED TO SEE THE NEW CORE WHICH I'M HOPING WILL BE IN THE NEXT KIT I GET,IT SHOULD BE HERE THIS WEEK.I'M SURE I FORGOT A FEW THING SO PUT YOUR ?'S OUT THERE AND I'LL ANSWER THEM AS QUICK AS I CAN.BY THE WAY I ALWAYS TYPE IN CAPS BUT I'M NOT YELLING,JUST NOT A GOOD ENOUGH TYPIST.THANKS,SCOTT.

 

62-68 degrees is very promising..I was seeing that on 38-40F and hot lapping would be no more than 3-4 passes before seeing ET's and MPH decrease. So yeah two thumbs up for the KC