Great pics: Two E55 AMGs tuned by Carlsson (+RS6, M5, M3 etc.)
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Great pics: Two E55 AMGs tuned by Carlsson (+RS6, M5, M3 etc.)
Misano Red Audi RS 6 Avant with MB E55 AMG with Carlsson 1/16 wheels (19").
19" Carlsson 1/16 Wheels
BMW M5, BMW M3 SMG and two MB E55 AMG.
Audi RS6 Avant in the back.
It is possible to see Denmark over the horizon from Sweden.
19" Carlsson 1/16 Wheels
BMW M5, BMW M3 SMG and two MB E55 AMG.
Audi RS6 Avant in the back.
It is possible to see Denmark over the horizon from Sweden.
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We visited the Danish MD tuner Kleemann. http://www.kleemann.dk
More pics here...
More to come once the photos are developed...
And yes there are photos from behind the door.
More pics here...
More to come once the photos are developed...
And yes there are photos from behind the door.
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Those E55AMG rims are VERY UGLY! :o www.hole.fi/jk/photo/e55amg my 19" rims are way better, i think 
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Originally posted by Finnish C32
Those E55AMG rims are VERY UGLY! :o www.hole.fi/jk/photo/e55amg my 19" rims are way better, i think
Those E55AMG rims are VERY UGLY! :o www.hole.fi/jk/photo/e55amg my 19" rims are way better, i think
It's interesting to see that there is a HUGE difference between taste in rims between USA and EU.
If you don't like them I can at least tell you they increase the performance by being lighter. (don't know how much).
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Originally posted by JamE55
Great pictures! Question for RS.
How do you think a stock W211 E55 AMG compares to a Kleemann tuned W210 E55k?
Great pictures! Question for RS.
How do you think a stock W211 E55 AMG compares to a Kleemann tuned W210 E55k?
I bet my money on that it's a little bit faster
But watch out since the Brabus E55 tuning did not make the car faster but your wallet some 17.000 Euros emptier...
What is the opinion on Kleemann in the US? I understand they have an office 'over there.'
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Just a second. If the K8 kit produce only a 54 HP gain for 17000$, It's because it's really hard to push the V8 kompressor without reducing the lifetime of the car.
Kleemann will certainly tell you that you can do much better without altering the reliability of the car, believe them if you want.
Kleemann will certainly tell you that you can do much better without altering the reliability of the car, believe them if you want.
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I don't know about Brabus but I guess they do like Kleemann - take over factory warranty.
If you've got a brand new car you'll get 2 years (EU).
If you bring in a one year old car you get 1 year warranty and so on.
However, not talking about reliability. I'm talking about the importance to actually test and see what performance you get for your money.
A friend of mine tested their E55 AMG against the Brabus and the Brabus lost. The Brabus sales person had no explaination, their car had no problems. He said he would call but he didn't.
Still they charge 17.000 Euros for their so called upgrade.
They did the same thing when they went looking for a good M5 tuner with some very interesting results. Most tuners made the cars slower but unless you benchmarked it you would never know.
My point is - take care when chosing tuner and if possible test it againt your stock car to see if there's any difference. That goes for all tuners. Not saying Kleemann would be any different.
If you've got a brand new car you'll get 2 years (EU).
If you bring in a one year old car you get 1 year warranty and so on.
However, not talking about reliability. I'm talking about the importance to actually test and see what performance you get for your money.
A friend of mine tested their E55 AMG against the Brabus and the Brabus lost. The Brabus sales person had no explaination, their car had no problems. He said he would call but he didn't.
Still they charge 17.000 Euros for their so called upgrade.
They did the same thing when they went looking for a good M5 tuner with some very interesting results. Most tuners made the cars slower but unless you benchmarked it you would never know.
My point is - take care when chosing tuner and if possible test it againt your stock car to see if there's any difference. That goes for all tuners. Not saying Kleemann would be any different.
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Originally posted by RS-Kicker
I don't know about Brabus but I guess they do like Kleemann - take over factory warranty.
If you've got a brand new car you'll get 2 years (EU).
If you bring in a one year old car you get 1 year warranty and so on.
However, not talking about reliability. I'm talking about the importance to actually test and see what performance you get for your money.
A friend of mine tested their E55 AMG against the Brabus and the Brabus lost. The Brabus sales person had no explaination, their car had no problems. He said he would call but he didn't.
Still they charge 17.000 Euros for their so called upgrade.
They did the same thing when they went looking for a good M5 tuner with some very interesting results. Most tuners made the cars slower but unless you benchmarked it you would never know.
My point is - take care when chosing tuner and if possible test it againt your stock car to see if there's any difference. That goes for all tuners. Not saying Kleemann would be any different.
I don't know about Brabus but I guess they do like Kleemann - take over factory warranty.
If you've got a brand new car you'll get 2 years (EU).
If you bring in a one year old car you get 1 year warranty and so on.
However, not talking about reliability. I'm talking about the importance to actually test and see what performance you get for your money.
A friend of mine tested their E55 AMG against the Brabus and the Brabus lost. The Brabus sales person had no explaination, their car had no problems. He said he would call but he didn't.
Still they charge 17.000 Euros for their so called upgrade.
They did the same thing when they went looking for a good M5 tuner with some very interesting results. Most tuners made the cars slower but unless you benchmarked it you would never know.
My point is - take care when chosing tuner and if possible test it againt your stock car to see if there's any difference. That goes for all tuners. Not saying Kleemann would be any different.
The new supercharged V8 engines seem to vary a lot in power, maybe this is some kind of tolerance during engine construction?
It seems to be even worse with the bi-turbo charged V12 engines.
So if you take a stock car with 530 HP and a tuned car with 550 HP, the results might be the same (tuned cars usually also have bigger wheels/tires).
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Still doesn't justify 17.000 Euros from my pocket.
I understand the problem with the difference in wheel size, however I do not know if they had changed to 19" or not when they did the testrun against the Brabus. I doubt it.
Is the difference between the std. cars really that great?
What is the 'official' output the cars can have and still be witihn limits?
Why would Brabus then take an engine with what had to be
the lowest stock output, tune it and then race it against a stock E55 and loose? Makes no sense.
I understand the problem with the difference in wheel size, however I do not know if they had changed to 19" or not when they did the testrun against the Brabus. I doubt it.
Is the difference between the std. cars really that great?
What is the 'official' output the cars can have and still be witihn limits?
Why would Brabus then take an engine with what had to be
the lowest stock output, tune it and then race it against a stock E55 and loose? Makes no sense.
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Originally posted by RS-Kicker
What is the opinion on Kleemann in the US? I understand they have an office 'over there.'
What is the opinion on Kleemann in the US? I understand they have an office 'over there.'
