pearlpower

Again to your links, again, failed pump. You seem to have difficulty understanding how prevalent an issue that is in E55s. Hey, I never said the E55 was more reliable! LOL. But......again, stock for stock, my first mod was a new pump and heat exchanger. Raced multiple M5s in Orange County, etc. Never lost to any of them. Yes, they do better at top end than they do from the dig. This is where someone chimes in to say ,"400hp mode." Plus, the E55 is so easy to boost power like most any FI vehicle out here. AGAIN, NOT KNOCKING THE M5. Great car! But pick your battles more wisely. I can guarantee that just about every E55 owner here is looking forward to the new M5 with turbos. We just like BOOST! Give a rats ars what the badge on the hood says. I have a TT300ZX (5 years storage) with some goodies, blown motor being one of them.

We could always have a nice Formosa M5 vs E55 event. I promise we play nice.

skratch77

In all honesty,I drove an m5 and there power band is a JOKE the car feels slower than an e36 M3 anywhere under 6,000 rpms.

I would love to race any M car Ill even race up to 180 just to show you guys what a healthy working e55 setup runs.

That K4 car is supposed to have 640hp,how is it losing to a stock M car?

Slow_E60_M5

Siiiigh Really???

All those atilla E55 vids involve a known HEAVILY modded E55. Enough said.
That black M6 had 24 inch rims it looked like... Enough said...
Dead stops are NOT exactly easy for M5s/M6s...so no surprise. I did expect the AMG to pull off the line easily and it did.
The rest (if I missed any), were the drivers all driving properly??? P500S, S6 on , DSC off etc.?

Slow_E60_M5

I know you're not knocking on BMW M and I thank you for that. Trust me, I've seen worse fanboyism in MANY other places (C63 AMG forums and BMW M3 forums etc.) It's alright to be more partial to our own vehicles. I am too myself.

Luckily for me, I have the best of both worlds (AMG SL55 and BMW M5). Obviously the SL is much better and easier to crusie around town with its torque just like the E55s. For highway and cornering speeds, I prefer the M5 all the way. Doesn't even compare in terms of handling of course.

Sorry if I came here looking like I wanted to start a war. I just wanted to defend the M5 and see what your responses would be. So far though, I've heard some people say they're even in all speeds and some others... (like that one poster who said he beat a modded m5 with 4 people in his stock car...) well.. yeah.

Hard to debate I'd say. I would LOVE to run a stock E55 AMG near my area soon to settle this once and for all.

Das Geld 2

Like making a turn at 60mph down a 2 lane street? How often do you do that. I find that BMW owners brag about unrealistic conditions which happen 0.01% of the time and it never ends well.

regor60

It would be slower...

cahiil55k

And you forgot the twisties excuse, and starting at the right speed, and any other bimmerboy excuses out there. Also, GTBoard has an M6 beating a K4E55 and K4 = heavily modded. So you just contradicted yourself since "GTBoard is not biased" yet only there can a stock M can walk a heavily modded E.

EDIT: Also while you're at it making up reasons for the M5/M6 losses in the youtube videos, maybe you can explain all these 13 second low-trapping M's. I'm waiting for you to just admit it takes a brain surgeon to drive an M car properly.
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-21091.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-20516.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-19718.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-19779.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-10867.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-7687.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-17443.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M6-Timeslip-19561.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M6-Timeslip-19734.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M6-Timeslip-19465.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M6-Timeslip-20107.html

a4rings

Come on man, i don't see what you are arguing here. It seems as if you are trying to convey that mercedes makes cars that handle better than BMW's?

I agree that Merc does make cars that can run faster lap times at Nurburing due to vehicle cost/platform/etc.. (clk BS, BS,SLS, SLR)

but please tell me you agree with the following

In terms of Handling/steering feel

335i>c350
e30 m3> 190e 2.3
e36 m3> c43
e46 m3> c32 & c55
e9x m3> c63
e39 m5> w210 e55
e60 m5> w211 e55/e63
e63 m6> Sl55
maybe the s63/s65 handles better than a 760i but who knows. Im willing to bet the 750i feels sportier than a s500/550

and these differences are so large that they can be easily felt in normal day to day driving. There is no need for turning into a 2 lane road at 60 mph for you to feel the differences. If you can't feel it in normal driving, then you are not very sensitive. I could sit blindfolded in a m5 and e55 and tell which car i was being driven around in. Heck aven e46 m3 to 335i is noticeable.

Das Geld 2

There's a difference in feeling and actually handling. Who cares how it feels. Every car posted is not faster.

Since 95% of BMW driver's cant drive to begin with it doesn't make a difference that they begin to talk about handling etc. Look at the speedometer when you turn and that's the true handling capabilities. It doesnt matter how it feels as long as it gets it done. The SL55 will do it very quietly while the M while just make it feel harder for you. The Steering of the Benz's is very soft, while the M's are firm. But they will accomplish the same. Go Look at Dino from Veloce tune and how he tracked his SL55 better than SRT 10 Vipers and F cars. Actually the SL55 out-handles both the M5 and M6, I bet you didn't know that either and runs better times on the Nurburgring.

BMW's are obselte in a sense they don't have the straight line power or the turns. It's Porsche who is actually MB's main competition because they make FAST machine and Handling MONSTERS, which can knock on AMG's door.

Look at the E92 vs C63 Comparison, it has better handling because of what ? In a super extreme condition Solomon it was 1 sec faster. When are you going to be drifting between cones at 69 MPH? It's like MB making MB's work in space in case the earth implodes tomorrow. THE BMW's handling is no better than a light weight Honda. At the end of the day its about brute force straight line power and braking which AMG Deliver and it will handle 1:1 for the BMW, except it will be miles ahead already

Ali_E55

M can not beat a modded E55. even a stock E55. we do these races always here.

even starting from 50km the stock E55 rules a stock M5 until they reach 250km and then M5 starts to catch up and pass buy the E55.

however, M5 owners always want to start from a bit high speed. and the members here knows i like to drive a bit high ^_^. so i started with an M5 from 200km heis is stock and mine is modded. believe me, i blew him away from 200 to 280km he fell behind me by 25 - 30 meters. he was satisfied because we tried from 0 and from 60 and from 120km.

there is no chance even for a modded M5 to beat a modded E55 even on high speeds if the E55 had headers. well except if it was the M5 G-power double supercharged.

i also have i video in the drag with a modded M5. i was ahead of him by a 1.3 seconds. but didn't post it on youtube.

Slow_E60_M5

Oh really? Did you forget about the Dinan Stage 3 Stroker Kit for the M5 and M6? 5.7-5.8 liter stroked out V10 producing on average of around 630 horsepower and 430 lb ft. Torque may still be lower but it's a LOT faster as demonstrated...by this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9ObA18Ggm0

Slow_E60_M5

Hahah you're funny. Acting like a little 13 year old bench racer.
I can keep going... It's funny how you behave.
13 seconds for a M5/M6 just means bad launch/ no use of launch control... You know, Road and Track, a couple of years ago, tested an M6 and M5 and both did 1/4 mile at around 12.1 seconds/118 mph each. Yeah, stock.

0-60= 4.0 seconds flat
0-100= 9.4 s
0-150= 20.6 (around I believe) s

I presume that this was done by good magazine test drivers and not amateurs. LOL at your comment that it takes brain surgeons to drive. I sense some fanboyism on ya kiddo.

tgoss

I would love to own both cars. Amazing vehicles in their own right. A very well known member here, that lives down the street from me has both and I honestly love both of his cars. It wouldn't at all be a downgrade to drive either any day of the week.

Johncy2000

That's if you want to spend 40 grand installed. Which is high unlikely.

austinholloman

What sucks is normal people drive these cars, not magazine test drivers.

austinholloman

Most of these specs are a Manuel BMW vs the Auto MB. Line them back up with all autos.. See where the "><" marks end up then.

Slow_E60_M5

Oh really? I know there are at least 7 people on the M5board who have Dinan stoker kits installed and even more around the world who are not on the board. Some claim a bolt on/Dinan Stroker M6 can take out a Ferrari 599 GTB up top and a Lambo Gallardo LP560 too.

Johncy2000

OK then explain this video. A modded E55 180 pulley, Heat exchanger, I/C pump, headers, 82mm throttle body, and tune will run with a chipped CL65. This CL65 beat a 5.8 Stroked M6 easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLpEMa5Uy2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHHHchapHM

Ali_E55

arguing with a bimmer will never ends.

they cant admit that mercedes are better for line races.

although we admit BMW are great for twisties.

Edit:
forgot to mention. i am not a BMW hater. it is simply the E55 is better for my style of racing and life.

and you can check the picture below to see that i have an X6M that is modded which got 11.8 in the drag.
i choose it because it is simply faster and better than cayyen turbo, ML63, etc in the SUV group.

but it looks like you dont see what we drive and you think it is for the fact the we like the 2 stars more.

wmasmb430

I have owned both cars and will gladly admit that an E55 is faster than an M5 in a straight line.. the torque of an E55 just can not be matched.
Both are great cars and have unique characteristics that set each other apart

SMP

I guess you haven't driven a CLK63 BS yet? No soft steering in that car, trust me.

a4rings

ummm im not sure who manuel is but....what does the transmission have to do with handling? also the e30 m3 and e39 m5 only comes in manual, e60 m5 and e63 m6 are both faster in SMG than in manual. The e46 is just as capable in SMG form and i think only the U.S. e36 m3 comes in auto, the euro beasts never came in auto i dont think, only smg.

a4rings

Give the m5 a break guys, its All motor and .4 liters smaller (although the e55 was introduced 3 years earlier 2002 vs 2005) Honestly 55k drivers should be picking on modded 335i's which are much better matches, especially 0-130 where both cars shine

ssonss1

That was my cls with 20s and tbal's (member on here now with an e55) M6 on 22s. Both cars were stock and my cls pulled on every run...

pearlpower

$40k mods aside, an E55 is very easy and very affordable to mod. Pump and H/E under $500.00. 180mm pulley and box tune=$1300.00 right there. A fast car is now that much faster and no charcoal filter mod and exhaust tuned M5 will even come close. Now move on to just shorty headers and TB and an easy 600hp with torque to match. Plus there are cams, long tubes, air box, better cooling, etc. All of which would put shame to a stroker M5 which reading other threads is a $50k option, not $40, plus your motor.


Curious, is there such a thing as a 10 second M5 that does NOT run cheater gas?

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