I owned an E39 M5 and then an E60 M5, so I'm not biased at all. Now an E55.

Not even close to the E55 in terms of acceleration. The only way I see an E60 M5 being faster is if the race started @140mph and where gearing plays a MAJOR role. As people have said, the torque kills those cars and you have to rev the **** out of them.

0-120, the M5 is left behind and playing catchup. And honestly, how many races actually go much beyond that? Especially in the U.S.
By the time the M5 'catches up', we're talking 140+ (NOT very common). And we're talking stock to stock, I won't even begin to talk about mod for mod.

 

I didn't mention this car because BMW will never touch a CLK 63 performance ever. I wanted to give them a fair play ground.

 

And you're acting like a GTBoard racer. I'd rather be a 13 yr old bench racer than Gustav's pole stroker.

 

Thought it was time I said hi to everyone.



Had my E55 for about a year now just starting to do some mods and this post prompted me as I came from a e60 M5 and I can certainly say I find the AMG way quicker.



The M5 had no torque low down great handling but not that quick off the line even with launch control.

 

Haaaa! Gustavs pole stroker!

 

M5BOARD AND GTBOARD ARE BMW BIASED

The videos posted by Gustav clearly are and has been proven time and time again.

Where are you located? I'm sure we will have some takers for you to run. Funny that there are so many people that have had both cars and almost every one says the E55 was faster in straight line. Twisties isn't even under debate
I was going to say the same thing
Zing!!! That guy is such a tool. Funny that I'm banned from that bored because of something I posted here. It's ok, I put out open calls for any M5 to run in the 1/4 and they didn't. I have nothing against BMW's or any other car make for that matter but some of those guys really **** me off. The blatant disrespect and ignorance by several (not all) there is why I wanted to race some of them. Of course none stepped up. Just to be clear, I have MANY cool friends with BMW's, it is the select few loudmouths that **** me off. I have nothing against BMWs, M5's, or anything like that.

 

We ran my stock 2006 E55 and a stock 2006 E60 M5 at Capital Raceway here in Maryland back in 2006. We tried to give each car the best chance to run it's best number, not just a single race.

The M5 was about .4 slower through the 1/4 mile with a 3mph higher trap speed.

I think my E55 ran 12.16@115 with a 1.85 short and the M5 ran 12.5@118 with a 2.0 short. Both cars were as delivered from the factory, right down to the tires, with at least the first service performed. LC was used in the M5.

All the timeslips, including a video, are on this board if you search.

 

I remember that. The good old days

 

Just searched, we ran this comparison back in 2005. The M5 ran 12.57@117.9 on a 2.1 short.

 

I had a 2006 M5 with Evosport headers, race exhaust, pulley, tune etc and my e55 with only a tune, pulley and VRP headers (at that time) and my wife driving.. was faster. We ran from 0-100mph three times and the results were the same each time.

 

I'm with you, no hate for BMWs and I respect what they can do on the twisties. I don't expect to beat M cars in a road course just as much as I wouldn't expect a majority of them to walk me in straight line races. We're all but it'll eventually help a newb M or AMG owner out.

 

Since you love the nurburing so much:

e92 m3 GTS: 7:48
e46 m3 CSL: 7:50
CLK DTM: 7:54
CLK BS: 8:02
e92 m3: 8:05
m6 e63: 8:05
e46 m3: 8:22

 

Wellllllll that's cool and all but.... You forgot the SLR McLaren and SLS... I added it in there for you

per wiki of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

 

i was aware of that buddy but thanks for posting it. i was just responding to that guy saying BMW will never touch the performance of a CLK BLACK.

Im willing to bet the 2001 m3 GTR (street version) would be faster than both the SLR and SLS however then you could bring up the old CLK DTM. i couldn't find nurburing times for either of them though.

 

You make me laugh, any stock E55K will smoke 335i, its a joke to compare.
If you never own a Mercedes, get one before talk !

 

Off topic

I just do not buy the e46 m3 CSL: 7:50

How is a 340+ hp car doing so much better then cars with 500 to 580 or something along those lines HP(CLK BLK/DTM), and do not tell me they can not go fast in the twisty's!

Then there is the fact that this track has a long straight in it...so even if it did do better in the corners, how is it also holding the straight?!?

Just going through the list makes u wonder how some cars are getting such massive time differences...i mean the GTR is also a ?!?!?! for me... it just dicked on all the super cars in the world...makes no sense!

 

Ah, touche~

Ignore my post then. I thought you just overlooked it. I love BMW's, so don't get me wrong here. I was looking into an e36 m3 and e46 m3 before i bought my benz.

 

Wiki is, after all, the most reliable source on the Internet ...

 

Well, it does follow with other sites.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y

 

How many people came from M5 to E55 and how many people actually went from E55 to M5. Who can judge the real differences are people who own them both. If you don't own any of them..... don't comments !
I only own 745Li and spend already $2k to fix it..... and more light came out last week....... talking about reliability..... i love the 745Li, big and comfy but just spending time to fixing it ..... anyways, Mercedes and BMW are all excellent car depends your budget and need.

 

The M3 CSL (350HP/275TQ) must be one INCREDIBLE machine to be staying ahead/equal to cars like the Murcielago, Nissan GTR, SL65 BS etc..

Maybe God's hand was on it at the 'Ring when it ran those times

 

The CSL was really a magnificent car. the biggest difference is that the clk black weighs 3800-4000lbs and the csl is 2900-3000 thats a big difference.

 

Don't be dumb man, you obviously read my post and saw that i said MODDED 335i's. there are plenty of bolt on 335i's Tune/downpipe/IC/Intake/meth cars running 123-126mph traps which is pretty in line with most modded 55k cars and although there are no recoded 130+ mph runs like ive seen some 55k cars, im sure the guys with upgraded turbos would run just fine with full bolt on 55k cars including headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTRgNYPNibE

now don't get me wrong, i just sold my 335i and im looking for a clean cls55 but i just like to be an unbiased car enthusiast and i hate when people are brand ******. If i was on the BMW forum and saw those clowns saying an e39 m5 is as fast as an e55 I would defend the MERC.

 

You seem to have intimate knowledge about that car. Do you currently own one or did you ever own one? Have you taken it personally around the 'Ring and achieved anything close to the lap times published? Have you ever owned or driven a CLK63 BS on a road course?

I'd like to hear from someone like you, with vast amounts of hands on knowledge, how these cars compare at the limit around a road course.

BTW, no bias here

 

This will never end.