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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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180mm Pulley and Tune dyno results, what do these numbers mean??

Had a chance to throw her on the dyno today. There are multiple runs so its a bit confusing but to you guys who study these things its nothing.

The last time I saw the dyno I only had a tune and I put down good numbers, 411.68 HP and 421.95 TQ.

This time, I went with a 180mm pulley and tune and I'm not sure the numbers are as great as they can be. It looks like my peak was 416.21 HP and 450.22 TQ.

According to the graph I only gained 5 HP?? I understand that there's a huge jump in power (from old dyno to new) between 4K RPM and 5.25K RPM but it seems like all the power starts to drop off after 4.75K RPM.

What is that???
Are these numbers kosher??

The dyno guy (extremely knowledgeable) said it could be anything from an exhaust clog to the timing. WHAT SAYS YOU fellow AMG'ers?

Thanks guys!

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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:10 PM
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whos tune?
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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where's the A/F?
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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More importantly, what were the iats
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:52 PM
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it looks like your I/C pump might be bad. Its really hard to say just buy looking at the graph. If we could see what the AFR looks like, that could tell some of the tail. If this was my car I would be looking at the I/C pump to see if its working.
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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what James said and whose tune? Do you have cooling mods?
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ASP pulley with Jerry tune.

Not sure about the technical stuff guys, but the IC pump is good. The tech checked it in between runs.

What kind of numbers should I be putting down with my set up? (180mm/jerry tune/eisenmann/res delete)

Dont get me wrong, the car is a beast and a half, I just thought I'd get better numbers on the dyno if that even means anything...?
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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For conversation sake, if the IC pump was bad, would it affect the dyno numbers even after 1-2 runs?
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 11:45 PM
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if there wasnt enough cool down time, yes

still on the stock heat exchanger?
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I would check your intake temps with a scan tool.then go from there.did you get the a/f read from the dyno.

A good start would be to look at the temps.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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Car is definitely down in hp/tq per the dyno graph you inserted. I bet it is battling heat somehow, what are you cooling mods, and what are the intake temps on the runs? I also wonder if he has belt slip or the incorrect belt size?
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That seems low for a dynojet...
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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FWIW, I put 398/469 BONE STOCK on a MUSTANG.

There is definitely something wrong here with your numbers. You're on a Dynojet with a 180 AND a tune.
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Originally Posted by AWOL
if there wasnt enough cool down time, yes

still on the stock heat exchanger?
Yup...

Originally Posted by skratch77
I would check your intake temps with a scan tool.then go from there.did you get the a/f read from the dyno.

A good start would be to look at the temps.
Did not get the AF read. The tech said they have to take apart the exhaust and insert a sensor to get an accurate reading...

Originally Posted by chawkins2001
Car is definitely down in hp/tq per the dyno graph you inserted. I bet it is battling heat somehow, what are you cooling mods, and what are the intake temps on the runs? I also wonder if he has belt slip or the incorrect belt size?
I have no cooling mods. The belt size is correct, the EC guys shipped it directly. What does "intake temp" mean?

Thanks all who are responding, even the tech was baffled as to why I'm losing so much power.

What cooling would you recommend? Do you guys think there could be something warranty related that I can take care of for the price of lets say "on the house" ?
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was the ambient temp and humidty the same as the last time you dynoed.
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was the ambient temp and humidty the same as the last time you dynoed.
Here's a pic of my best run from last time and this time. It looks like it was 4 degrees cooler last time we ran it. It was December of 09 versus a moderately warm January of this year...

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You probably have a dead pump and tell the dyno tech that he can stick the 02 in the tail pipe and get a reading.
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I would be more concerned that the dyno operator is not using A/F ratios when tuning your car. Find another shop with a competent person in charge of tuning.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
You probably have a dead pump and tell the dyno tech that he can stick the 02 in the tail pipe and get a reading.
A dead IC pump? Where is the pump located?

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I would be more concerned that the dyno operator is not using A/F ratios when tuning your car. Find another shop with a competent person in charge of tuning.
We did not tune the car, just ran it on the dyno to see what it puts down...
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Originally Posted by TheVazha
ASP pulley with Jerry tune.

Not sure about the technical stuff guys, but the IC pump is good. The tech checked it in between runs.

What kind of numbers should I be putting down with my set up? (180mm/jerry tune/eisenmann/res delete)

Dont get me wrong, the car is a beast and a half, I just thought I'd get better numbers on the dyno if that even means anything...?
Originally Posted by TheVazha
A dead IC pump? Where is the pump located?



We did not tune the car, just ran it on the dyno to see what it puts down...

How did he check the pump if you do not know where it is?????? My car has 19000 miles and my factory pump was DEAD! They warrantied it with the new BOSCH MB replacemnt and the difference was absolutly amazing.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheVazha
We did not tune the car, just ran it on the dyno to see what it puts down...
This is the problem. No tune + no heat exchanger. I wouldn't run the car hard without those. Definitely with a 180mm pulley.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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This is the problem. No tune + no heat exchanger. I wouldn't run the car hard without those. Definitely with a 180mm pulley.
Dude, are you reading the post. He said the car was tuned by EC...he is saying the dyno guy did not tune it.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 01:04 PM
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Dude, are you reading the post. He said the car was tuned by EC...he is saying the dyno guy did not tune it.
Apparently I misunderstood. I think it's the I/C pump as well.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vtecsti
Apparently I misunderstood. I think it's the I/C pump as well.
For $150, it is worth the relpacing. Let me know, I have a brand new one in the box from EC.(CM30)

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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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For $150, it is worth the relpacing. Let me know, I have a brand new one in the box for EC.
Yep, mine crapped out a few months ago. Dealership replaced it, but not sure with which one. I'll either replace it with my CM30 or keep the one they recently installed, depending on the part number. Going to be installing a HE anyway, so I might as well.
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