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Old 12-20-2011, 05:04 PM
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Warped front rotors E63 W211

Anyone experienced this after track days?

Happen to me two times. OEM rotors and pads both times. Getting expensive in the long run L

What kind of pads do you guys recommend? I don’t care if they are noisy…

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OEM pads are not intended for track. I would look at Pagids Orange or Yellow. Keep in mind that if you use these everyday you will sound like an 18 wheeler when you are stopping. Wear is conditioned on the track, your skills, your electronic nanny, etc.

On rotors I can't help.
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Endless MX-72 -- The Ultimate Semi-metallic street and track compound

Ceramics are known to be one of the most vital and essential compounds that influence braking capacity. Every material has been carefully chosen for the MX72 in order to produce minimal noise and dust while producing high friction at lower temperatures. The MX72 improves upon the ever-popular CC-X compound in that braking stability is improved at higher temperatures. And yet, the MX72 actually decreases rotor wear. Even pedal feel, which is already typically great with semi-metallic material pads, was further improved upon. The MX72 is the ultimate, dual-purpose, street / light track compound.

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No offense, but dual purpose is not the way to go. Dedicated for each is the only way.
I know off one person, similar to the OP, that ran OEMs on the track and they lasted 1 day. Pagid Orange lasted him 5 track days.

You might want to tailor your suggestion that way instead of just rehashing company marketing propaganda.

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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
No offense, but dual purpose is not the way to go. Dedicated for each is the only way.
I know off one person, similar to the OP, that ran OEMs on the track and they lasted 1 day. Pagid Orange lasted him 5 track days.

You might want to tailor your suggestion that way instead of just rehashing company marketing propaganda.

Sorry


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the Endless MX72 pads have been used on the street and occasionally track use by most my R35 GT-R clients, BMW M, Porsche and C63 clients... if you've never tried them or heard of them before, I'd be more then happy to offer an unbelievable price for you to give your honest opinion of them. The MX72 "dual propose" pads is an excellent street pads for the occasionally track user or canyon driver. If someone who drives on the street 80-90% of the time and tracks 10-20% these pads would be ideal, obviously if someone was looking for the a dedicated track pads these would not be the ticket, but for the occasionally track use these are perfect. I'm willing to eat my words that's how confident I an of these endless pads.

Now obviously having a dedicated track pads when on the track would be completely ideal, but for most that is not a very viable option. The MX72's allow you to drive to and from the track with no changes, or hassles.

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..... allow you to drive to and from the track with no changes, or hassles.
So do track dedicated pads. You just sound like an 18 wheeler til they are heated up.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Don't forget; OP was also asking about longer lasting rotors.

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Track to me means road course with numerous laps in a 15-20 min session. What does it mean to you? Maybe OP should clarify. Based on his post I think I know his answer.
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Well I track my car 8x20min (2 day event) every 2-3 month...
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
So do track dedicated pads. You just sound like an 18 wheeler til they are heated up.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Don't forget; OP was also asking about longer lasting rotors.

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Track to me means road course with numerous laps in a 15-20 min session. What does it mean to you? Maybe OP should clarify. Based on his post I think I know his answer.
Any track pad that is daily is kill the rotor, and I'm sure your ear drums as wel lol...

to me tracking is doing 6-8 15-20 minute sessions... at one of the numerous tracks that we have here in So Cali such as buttonwillow, big willow, streets and auto club
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Originally Posted by NorwayStian
Well I track my car 8x20min (2 day event) every 2-3 month...
I would say with your current track schedule you should not be using your OEM pads, also since your doing constant back to back days you may want to consider dedicated track pads... pad swap is very easy with your calipers... however if you do not want deal with this hassle i still believe the MX72 pads would be suitable for your needs... Also i hope your not simply replacing your factory 2pc rotors with another set of OEM rotors... might also want to look into getting correctly vented slotted rotors...

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Originally Posted by James@ACGSD
Any track pad that is daily is kill the rotor, and I'm sure your ear drums as wel lol...


Only put those in on track days; otherwise I scare too many soccer moms on their cell phones.
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Only put those in on track days; otherwise I scare too many soccer moms on their cell phones.
Lol yes i had that issue with my pagid yellows... sometimes i got too lazy to take them back out after the track so i would daily them for a day or two and the looks you would get are priceless.
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With whatever pad you go with, make sure you torque your lug nuts. I do 90 lb/ft.
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RacingBrake.com has a better rotor for track use.

I will be putting these on my car this Christmas. I will be using evosport 2 piece on the rear.

That being said, I have never had a disk warp, and I have turned the calipers bronze from the heat. With the RacingBrake disk material you can more safely run an aggressive pad. Evosport warns you away from anything EBC.

You should only concern yourself with the fronts. The rears just go stock pad.

I have mentioned the rotors.
My pads will be stock for now.
Titanium shims (the rear does not need them, but they were a set).
Evosport brake lines.
MB brake fluid, it is damn good stuff.

I plan a big DIY write up.
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OEM pads are not intended for track.
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Like Jon, I've never had warp after track days...I've never had much fade either with stock pads, stainless lines, and Motul 600...
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Just a thought, can these rotors be turned on a lathe
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I am with James on this...

A dual purpose street/track ENDLESS pad would work great... I have a good bit of time on the ENDLESS stuff and used it for daily driving and some hard track use.. Was very impressed.... No need for 2 pad sets...


EDIT* I should add that the experience isn't with AMG vehicles....

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Stian, make sure you give the car plenty of cool down time after your hot laps don't just drive staight into the pits and park the car when the brakes are still hot this is what warps rotors it has Nothing to do with you pad choice, ask your head instructor at the drivers meet in the morning if you can do an extra cool down lap,
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To the OP, before you go and replace or turn rotors that you think are warped, check that you're not dealing with pad deposits instead. See this for an explanation: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...nd-other-myths
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Originally Posted by Jon2007E63P30
RacingBrake.com has a better rotor for track use.

I will be putting these on my car this Christmas. I will be using evosport 2 piece on the rear.

That being said, I have never had a disk warp, and I have turned the calipers bronze from the heat. With the RacingBrake disk material you can more safely run an aggressive pad. Evosport warns you away from anything EBC.

You should only concern yourself with the fronts. The rears just go stock pad.

I have mentioned the rotors.
My pads will be stock for now.
Titanium shims (the rear does not need them, but they were a set).
Evosport brake lines.
MB brake fluid, it is damn good stuff.

I plan a big DIY write up.

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I agree with you on this, and I always do this. But due to a incident on the track I was sent to the "hot" pit with glowing brakes. Im afraid this caused it. I tried to keep the car moving, but...


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Stian, make sure you give the car plenty of cool down time after your hot laps don't just drive staight into the pits and park the car when the brakes are still hot this is what warps rotors it has Nothing to do with you pad choice, ask your head instructor at the drivers meet in the morning if you can do an extra cool down lap,
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Originally Posted by artowar
To the OP, before you go and replace or turn rotors that you think are warped, check that you're not dealing with pad deposits instead. See this for an explanation: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...nd-other-myths
Ive seen this post, Im gonna try some new pads and try it out. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by NorwayStian
Anyone experienced this after track days?

Happen to me two times. OEM rotors and pads both times. Getting expensive in the long run L

What kind of pads do you guys recommend? I don’t care if they are noisy…

Thanks!
OEM rotors and pads are not good for track use, you should try our 2-piece rotor and pads, they are suitable for street and track and last a lot longer then OE. Below is an application link for the E55 and the E63

Front Rotor

Rear rotor

Front and rear xt brake pads

Racingbrake feedback & review link:

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If you guys have not seen my DIY

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Hmmm all the AMG event track day cars use stock brakes with no issues what gives?


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