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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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Man I'm gutted for you seriously and worst of all on Christmas. I hope you get her running back even stronger ASAP
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 07:46 PM
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I agree, especially since your car was fine with the OE until the TCU was tuned by EC...bit of an ominous sign
And how can a transmission tune cause a motor to run lean?

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EC please chime in do all of the TCU tunes move the shift point up to 6800 or is that upon request.
Also the rev limiter "which I thought was or is engine controlled is different than the shift point you can bounce off the rev limiter and not hit your shift point under full throttle. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The stock TCU rev limiter is 6600 RPM. His rpm limiter was increased by 200 RPM, which is what I do for all of them. I'm talking TCU, not ECU. I never touched the ECU rev limiter since it was not sent in with the TCU. Other tuners on this forum who tune TCU's use a 250 or 300 RPM increase.

Please keep in mind that when you "bounce" off a rev limiter, you are actually hitting the ECU rev limiter, not the TCU.

I have customers who have had their TCU tuned for over 2 years. I feel it was another fuel issue with Cyl 8.

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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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Seriously doubt and hate to even bring up TCU being as issue, but since it already was. No way that tune could have caused this. This was a typical scenerial where the car was on a long run to oblivion in 3rd which is where they all seem to blow- top of 3rd gear. All fuel related. At this point, open her up or at the minimum get one of these and explore, they are awesome.

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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BenzoDoc
Or, you know, it could be the same thing thats blown all the other motors when the weather cools down, given the mods, fuel demands, and time of year.

Why learn from the past and mistakes of others when we can speculate!

I'm sure EC meant for owners to bounce off the limiter at 130 in cold weather. Right?
True... I decided not to drive my car this winter as the weather got colder, the car did start to lean out. Looking at my wideband I decided instead of a blown motor its better to be safe as I get pedal happy. Its not the tunes... its 100% human mistake.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tbal
True... I decided not to drive my car this winter as the weather got colder, the car did start to lean out. Looking at my wideband I decided instead of a blown motor its better to be safe as I get pedal happy. Its not the tunes... its 100% human mistake.
You're putting way more to the ground than I am. I have exclusively ECU/TCU tunes and am happy for now. Though I do get jealous when I watch pulleyed pulls on YouTube.

It was pretty chilly yesterday morning in Houston and I did a quick pull on the way home from the airport.

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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:24 PM
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Wow, in shock myself. I think it is a couple factors here which I wont go into but rather Let the damage speak fir itself. I hope is minimal brotha whatever it is.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:25 PM
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True... I decided not to drive my car this winter as the weather got colder, the car did start to lean out. Looking at my wideband I decided instead of a blown motor its better to be safe as I get pedal happy. Its not the tunes... its 100% human mistake.
I have a stock 55 with just EC ECU tune and drive a lot in the cold these days. You said you don't drive in the winter can you explain why? I don't really do high speed runs, the max I'll go is like 110-120 MPH.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CityOfAngels
I have a stock 55 with just EC ECU tune and drive a lot in the cold these days. You said you don't drive in the winter can you explain why? I don't really do high speed runs, the max I'll go is like 110-120 MPH.
You must be the PAM guy on BB
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Wow, in shock myself. I think it is a couple factors here which I wont go into but rather Let the damage speak fir itself. I hope is minimal brotha whatever it is.
Thanks mang. It looks like it might only be a blown headgasket. Its not leaking any fluid and I checked all the caps of the engine and they were all clean with no debris. The white fumes smelled sweet which I think is a sign of a blown head gasket.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Thanks mang. It looks like it might only be a blown headgasket. Its not leaking any fluid and I checked all the caps of the engine and they were all clean with no debris. The white fumes smelled sweet which I think is a sign of a blown head gasket.
Although I'm praying that's the case - I'd still tow it and not turn it over.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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You must be the PAM guy on BB
aware brah
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CityOfAngels
I have a stock 55 with just EC ECU tune and drive a lot in the cold these days. You said you don't drive in the winter can you explain why? I don't really do high speed runs, the max I'll go is like 110-120 MPH.
Well according to my wideband, the AFRs instead of being in the normal 11.5-11.7 range, were creeping up slowly as the days got colder. Eventually after they came up to the 12.1 range i decided not to have another blown motor story and blame the tuners... hence I parked the car for winter.

Stock... cars are tuned on the rich side, so not a big problem in the winter. I think 90% of the blown cars were in the winter months...
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tbal
Stock... cars are tuned on the rich side, so not a big problem in the winter. I think 90% of the blown cars were in the winter months...
What about Eurocharged ECU tune?
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tbal
Well according to my wideband, the AFRs instead of being in the normal 11.5-11.7 range, were creeping up slowly as the days got colder. Eventually after they came up to the 12.1 range i decided not to have another blown motor story and blame the tuners... hence I parked the car for winter.

Stock... cars are tuned on the rich side, so not a big problem in the winter. I think 90% of the blown cars were in the winter months...
Originally Posted by CityOfAngels
What about Eurocharged ECU tune?

I dynoed last weekend in like 50F temps and my AFRs sat at 10.9, so that's bolstering my confidence a bit. EC ECU tune.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 08:56 PM
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Oh wow...sorry to hear this buddy.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 09:00 PM
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Wow...I'm really sorry to read of your misfortune and wish you the best with your diagnostics.
While you are waiting to have the motor checked out by a professional, you could try disconnecting the breather hose (3/4" black hose) which attaches to the accordion intake tube(driver's side) from the valve cover. Disconnect the hose and start the car, you will not harm anything. If there is blow-by coming out of that hose, you most likely hurt a piston.
Let's figure out the damaged and get you running again. I would be very reluctant to point a finger at a tuner. These motors need to be monitored, period.

Best of luck.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BenzoDoc
I dynoed last weekend in like 50F temps and my AFRs sat at 10.9, so that's bolstering my confidence a bit. EC ECU tune.
Tailpipe reading, or do you have a bung installed?

A steady WOT AFR at 10.9 is too rich, IMHO. Too lean gets the most attention, but too rich is detrimental too. Might be worth having Jerry tweak your tune (if he thinks it's warranted).
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM
Tailpipe reading, or do you have a bung installed?

A steady WOT AFR at 10.9 is too rich, IMHO. Too lean gets the most attention, but too rich is detrimental too. Might be worth having Jerry tweak your tune (if he thinks it's warranted).
Tailpipe.

It's a box tune. Made good enough power for me for now. Did several pulls and 10.9 was the richest. Jerry mentioned at the time that there was more power to be had, but I'm happy for now.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 11:23 PM
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10.9 isn't too lean at all. There might be some power left on the table being a little rich but I'd trade a few horsepower for peace of mind any day.... In the end the AFR is just a number. Some cars actually make better power and safer power with a rich/safe tune which these cars are pretty rich from the factory.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 11:41 PM
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Very sorry to hear of your engine troubles!

Just a bad combination of circumstances

Cold air is great for making power but if your close to being out of fuel it can easily push you into a damaging lean condition.

Think of this, Its often speculated that for Every 10 degree drop in air temp is a gain of 1% in power.
If you tune your heavily modded E55 in 75 degree air and your just about out of fuel imagine it at 27 degree's. That about a 4% increase in power or 20 hp on a 500hp car. My fuzzy math says that about an extra 16cc of fuel need to maintain.
You take that and couple it with bouncing and engine off the limiter under load and bad things can happen. Different manufactures do different things for rev limiters but typically it cuts spark and fuel to the cylinder. So no spark and no fuel to a very hot piston with positive load on the top of it(boost) and I can only bad things can happen.

I donut know who's tune it was nor do I care, there is no way its tune related or tcu tune related for that matter.
Good luck getting it back together.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 11:55 PM
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Sorry to here about your car.

Whats everyone's thoughts on something like the eurotuner v2.0 and having 2 tunes one for summer and one winter
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Old Dec 25, 2011 | 12:05 AM
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Sorry to here about your car.

Whats everyone's thoughts on something like the eurotuner v2.0 and having 2 tunes one for summer and one winter
Solid idea
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Old Dec 25, 2011 | 12:37 AM
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man sorry to hear this hopefully its nothing big and shes back on the road
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Old Dec 25, 2011 | 12:49 AM
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Sorry to here about your car.

Whats everyone's thoughts on something like the eurotuner v2.0 and having 2 tunes one for summer and one winter
Troof. We need this up here in the norfeast. I will be doing pulley/tune/ttm rail/injectors but still wouldnt mind a winter tune to be safe. It's 12 degrees outside my house right now.
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