Replacing E63 Intake Manifold
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2007 E63 AMG (Dubai), 2009 BMW X5 4.8i Sport (PA)
Replacing E63 Intake Manifold
Anyone ever hear of the entire E63 Intake Manifold having to be replaced? I took the car in to the indy shop thinking the manifold gasket was leaking and they told me I need the entire manifold replaced at the cost of around $3,000.
Do these things crack?
Do these things crack?
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2007 E63 AMG (Dubai), 2009 BMW X5 4.8i Sport (PA)
I'm definitely going to take it for a second and probably third opinion. The dealers here are just so horrible to deal with. They are friendly and have good customer service but their prices are 2-3 times normal prices.
I figured someone on here would have heard of this happening. I can't imagine how it could have been cracked, if it really is.
Add this to the list of over $8000 in repairs in the first 6 months of ownership and it's starting to become not worth it. I love driving the car and realize it's pay to play but this is getting out of control.
I figured someone on here would have heard of this happening. I can't imagine how it could have been cracked, if it really is.
Add this to the list of over $8000 in repairs in the first 6 months of ownership and it's starting to become not worth it. I love driving the car and realize it's pay to play but this is getting out of control.
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2006 C230SS, 2007 e63, 2009 gl450, 2003 Ducati 749
Mine is a 2007 e63 with 117k miles, I just threw a check engine light (P0171) and had MB Austin check it out and they said that my intake manifold was warped and cracked (3200 to fix) and that all of my engine and trans mounts are dead (1200 to fix) and my gas tank and fuel senders are leaking (3500 to fix)...... fun times =)
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Mine is a 2007 e63 with 117k miles, I just threw a check engine light (P0171) and had MB Austin check it out and they said that my intake manifold was warped and cracked (3200 to fix) and that all of my engine and trans mounts are dead (1200 to fix) and my gas tank and fuel senders are leaking (3500 to fix)...... fun times =)
Holy crap! That scares me! I'm warrantied until 100k, but those repairs are frightening, and IMHO shouldn't happen. Curious what others take on them are.
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RE: Intake and Repair Costs
I have personally heard of a couple of warped, but not cracked, M156 intake manifolds. Please let us know what the dealer finds.
Fellas, the E63 is an awesome car, but not a car to own without a warranty. Not sure about one with 117K, but if your miles are a little lower, buy a warranty. I just added 4 years to mine, am now covered through December 2015.
Fellas, the E63 is an awesome car, but not a car to own without a warranty. Not sure about one with 117K, but if your miles are a little lower, buy a warranty. I just added 4 years to mine, am now covered through December 2015.
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Mine is a 2007 e63 with 117k miles, I just threw a check engine light (P0171) and had MB Austin check it out and they said that my intake manifold was warped and cracked (3200 to fix) and that all of my engine and trans mounts are dead (1200 to fix) and my gas tank and fuel senders are leaking (3500 to fix)...... fun times =)
I'm at 87k. I plan to change the engine mounts at 100k
Brakes complete change this weekend.
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Only one string on your guitar blackbenz lol...saw your car at MB of B'more in December (sick!) but didn't have a chance to meet you, I can see the reasoning in your logic . Hope to see you at MIR eventually! OP, what was the issue that brought you in to the Indy? Seems far-fetched to me, cracked intake manifold??? WTF...... Good luck!!!
. Hope to see you at MIR eventually! OP, what was the issue that brought you in to the Indy? Seems far-fetched to me, cracked intake manifold??? WTF...... Good luck!!!
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The orginial issue was a CEL (something about too lean in left bank) that came on immediately after removing the carbon filters. Yes, this sounds really coincidental and one of the members here was really helpful in advising me that most likely I have a leaking intake manifold gasket - which is apparently failry common.
I've been pretty firm with the Indy about being absolutely sure it is a cracked manifold and they are persistent that they have verified it. I haven't been back to the shop yet to see it or take any pics but I am going to try to get down there today. I am still skeptical. I still don't understand how it could warp or crack. I guess from the heat? If that is the case, then it sounds like a MB design flaw to me.
I've been pretty firm with the Indy about being absolutely sure it is a cracked manifold and they are persistent that they have verified it. I haven't been back to the shop yet to see it or take any pics but I am going to try to get down there today. I am still skeptical. I still don't understand how it could warp or crack. I guess from the heat? If that is the case, then it sounds like a MB design flaw to me.
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@jon2007 - did you do the brakes yourself. I also need pads and rotors at all 4s. I just got my racing brake rotors in for the front and need to get the rest of the stuff (i.e. pads, sensors, rear rotors etc) to finish the job. Any recommendations? was going to do stock on everything else other than the front rotors from RB. also is our e63 rear rotors the same as the e55 rear rotors?
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Would something like this stop the intake manifold from reaching cracking and warping temps:
http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.M63.PS1
http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.M63.PS1
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@shooter - tell me about it. CarMax will give me 20k for my car as is..... I need about 10k in work...... is it really worth it to play?
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2006 C230SS, 2007 e63, 2009 gl450, 2003 Ducati 749
intake manifold was warped and cracked =3200
engine and trans mounts are dead = 1200
gas tank and fuel senders are leaking = 3500
pads and rotors at all 4s = 3800
service b = 450
spark plugs, air filter, cabin filter - 475
transmission service C - 525
Replace Thrust arm bushings ( torn & cracking) - 345
need new front and rear tires....
This is all MB Austin pricing... thank god I can do all of the maintenance stuff my self. Its the big stuff that I can not do. Now that I know what is needed I will go to the local MB mechanic and source my own parts.
Mind you my e63 is a 2007 that was bought January 2008 and driven... 117k miles so far.....
engine and trans mounts are dead = 1200
gas tank and fuel senders are leaking = 3500
pads and rotors at all 4s = 3800
service b = 450
spark plugs, air filter, cabin filter - 475
transmission service C - 525
Replace Thrust arm bushings ( torn & cracking) - 345
need new front and rear tires....
This is all MB Austin pricing... thank god I can do all of the maintenance stuff my self. Its the big stuff that I can not do. Now that I know what is needed I will go to the local MB mechanic and source my own parts.
Mind you my e63 is a 2007 that was bought January 2008 and driven... 117k miles so far.....
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No Airmatic failures? You're lucky there.
I've done left front ($1100), left rear ($1500), and right rear ($1500). Just waiting now for the right front to fail and I'll be 4 for 4. Then the Airmatic motor will probably go out but you can get that from Arnott for a decent price.
I've done left front ($1100), left rear ($1500), and right rear ($1500). Just waiting now for the right front to fail and I'll be 4 for 4. Then the Airmatic motor will probably go out but you can get that from Arnott for a decent price.
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2007 e63 estate, 1998 ITB golf, ITE scirocco (sold to a collector in Japan)
I've been pretty firm with the Indy about being absolutely sure it is a cracked manifold and they are persistent that they have verified it. I haven't been back to the shop yet to see it or take any pics but I am going to try to get down there today. I am still skeptical. I still don't understand how it could warp or crack. I guess from the heat? If that is the case, then it sounds like a MB design flaw to me.
on that note, i threw a check engine light whose code suggests either a leaking air box or intake manifold gasket. i went on line for replacement gaskets and found a universal one or liquid gaskets. does this mean that there is no real AMG gasket? i know a lot of racers who use liquid gaskets and they work OK (but we take our stuff apart A LOT.) anyone help?
oh, yeah, one more thing: some one above suggests buying a warranty. mine's out i would like to know who sells a good one. thanks,
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Intake Manifold
On top of this, in the past six weeks, I had a fuel injector stick open and flood the engine ($1,000), the fuel senders crack ($1,600) and the rear air suspension fail ($1,600 with Arnott's). All this at 70,000 miles. My last car (Japanese) lasted 112,000 miles and only needed gas and oil and was still going strong when I sold it.
I know this is a different beast althgether, but I'm kind of amazed. I thought I was buying a Mercedes with the reputation for quality and customer service that this brand carries with it.
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2007 e63 estate, 1998 ITB golf, ITE scirocco (sold to a collector in Japan)
Not sure about cracked, but I just had a burnt oil smell in the cabin and check engine light caused by a warped intake manifold at 70K. Looks like these cars aren't engineered to stand up to the heat they produce.
On top of this, in the past six weeks, I had a fuel injector stick open and flood the engine ($1,000), the fuel senders crack ($1,600) and the rear air suspension fail ($1,600 with Arnott's). All this at 70,000 miles. My last car (Japanese) lasted 112,000 miles and only needed gas and oil and was still going strong when I sold it.
I know this is a different beast althgether, but I'm kind of amazed. I thought I was buying a Mercedes with the reputation for quality and customer service that this brand carries with it.
On top of this, in the past six weeks, I had a fuel injector stick open and flood the engine ($1,000), the fuel senders crack ($1,600) and the rear air suspension fail ($1,600 with Arnott's). All this at 70,000 miles. My last car (Japanese) lasted 112,000 miles and only needed gas and oil and was still going strong when I sold it.
I know this is a different beast althgether, but I'm kind of amazed. I thought I was buying a Mercedes with the reputation for quality and customer service that this brand carries with it.
i don't know what to tell you. mercedes doesn't make their own injectors. they use the same brands as everyone else. if the injector stuck open, it's generally not the injector's fault. usually something in the fuel (like particles) (changed the fuel filters ever?). flooding the motor cost $1000? where do you live??
my mum's 240d went 380k miles before my brother wrecked it. my step dad's 300TD was at 220k before my ex GF got hit. i never had anything really wrong with my E500 wagon at 117k before i sold it to get my dream in car (almost...clk gtr s are really rare!), the e63 wagon on which i've put 45k
in 2 years with one major and one minor problem (leaking intake manifold gasket:minor. and intermittent error on shaft speed sensor on tranny (major)). i am not complaining at all. the car's a rocket and if you think you're going to get a car that beats (no, whips italian hyper cars) with plywood on the roof without ever seeing an issue, well, you're sort of idealistic. this is not your corolla. if you bought a 911 would you be complaining? "gee, i thought if i bought a car that could go through 24 hours at leMans i would i expect it to go 80k without a hiccup back and forth to work and still drop corvettes, vipers, m3s, and whatever else was next to me at the stop light..."
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i don't know what to tell you. mercedes doesn't make their own injectors. they use the same brands as everyone else. if the injector stuck open, it's generally not the injector's fault. usually something in the fuel (like particles) (changed the fuel filters ever?). flooding the motor cost $1000? where do you live??
my mum's 240d went 380k miles before my brother wrecked it. my step dad's 300TD was at 220k before my ex GF got hit. i never had anything really wrong with my E500 wagon at 117k before i sold it to get my dream in car (almost...clk gtr s are really rare!), the e63 wagon on which i've put 45k
in 2 years with one major and one minor problem (leaking intake manifold gasket:minor. and intermittent error on shaft speed sensor on tranny (major)). i am not complaining at all. the car's a rocket and if you think you're going to get a car that beats (no, whips italian hyper cars) with plywood on the roof without ever seeing an issue, well, you're sort of idealistic. this is not your corolla. if you bought a 911 would you be complaining? "gee, i thought if i bought a car that could go through 24 hours at leMans i would i expect it to go 80k without a hiccup back and forth to work and still drop corvettes, vipers, m3s, and whatever else was next to me at the stop light..."
my mum's 240d went 380k miles before my brother wrecked it. my step dad's 300TD was at 220k before my ex GF got hit. i never had anything really wrong with my E500 wagon at 117k before i sold it to get my dream in car (almost...clk gtr s are really rare!), the e63 wagon on which i've put 45k
in 2 years with one major and one minor problem (leaking intake manifold gasket:minor. and intermittent error on shaft speed sensor on tranny (major)). i am not complaining at all. the car's a rocket and if you think you're going to get a car that beats (no, whips italian hyper cars) with plywood on the roof without ever seeing an issue, well, you're sort of idealistic. this is not your corolla. if you bought a 911 would you be complaining? "gee, i thought if i bought a car that could go through 24 hours at leMans i would i expect it to go 80k without a hiccup back and forth to work and still drop corvettes, vipers, m3s, and whatever else was next to me at the stop light..."
Those older benz's really did set the standard and hopefully some day they will make cars like that again.
$9,000 in repairs in six weeks. All common issues (except the injector). There is no defending that.
I love driving this car on the days it works. I'm still going to give it a go for that reason; however, I do now think much less of Mercedes and would think twice before purchasing one again.
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2007 E63 Amg, Heavily modified 1988 Jeep Comanche
All im gonna say is its been over two years. The suspension leaks so no matter what you do over time if you dont start it everyday it sags, thats air suspension. Injector, usually bad gas. Manifold crap shoot. Bad *** car, you know you love it and its not its fault its over analyzed.
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Jayjmuir, the issue you have can be remedied by replacing the intake manifold gasket and bolts as there was a change in both of these by Mercedes. I had the same fault and it went away as soon as i replaced the gasket and bolts. Easy job.
I also have an intake manifold sitting in the shop with the engine builder plate. Nothing quite like a blower for for replacing it.
I also have an intake manifold sitting in the shop with the engine builder plate. Nothing quite like a blower for for replacing it.
