CEL storytime
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CEL storytime
Ill keep in summary form, if anyone has any thoughts, suggestions, condemnations, similar experiences, etc. please share. Thanks
Had regular service and some warranty work done a couple weeks ago.
(oil n air filter, engine mounts, front thrust arms, brakes)
2 days later, CEL. I bring in, right and left banks lean. Clear the codes and tell me to drive it again.
run a few more days. CEL comes back.
reset comptuer (tried sneaky and disconnecting power)
CEL stays on.
Bring in, clears codes, tells me to keep driving and see if comes back again. This time lasts 4 days.
Bring back in, same codes. smoke test. now says intake manifold gasket leaking. replaces that. 3 days later. CEL
Bring back, SAME CODES as before, plus a new one something about the evap purge sensor. he keeps it for 2 days to drive it and play with my car. Ends up putting another set of new air filters and ordering me the magical red top diptstick.
I had put 5K care free miles on it and ever since he stuck his hands under my hood for the original service i have been having the CEL. No rough starts, no rough idle, just the annoying CEL keeps coming on.
Had regular service and some warranty work done a couple weeks ago.
(oil n air filter, engine mounts, front thrust arms, brakes)
2 days later, CEL. I bring in, right and left banks lean. Clear the codes and tell me to drive it again.
run a few more days. CEL comes back.
reset comptuer (tried sneaky and disconnecting power)
CEL stays on.
Bring in, clears codes, tells me to keep driving and see if comes back again. This time lasts 4 days.
Bring back in, same codes. smoke test. now says intake manifold gasket leaking. replaces that. 3 days later. CEL
Bring back, SAME CODES as before, plus a new one something about the evap purge sensor. he keeps it for 2 days to drive it and play with my car. Ends up putting another set of new air filters and ordering me the magical red top diptstick.
I had put 5K care free miles on it and ever since he stuck his hands under my hood for the original service i have been having the CEL. No rough starts, no rough idle, just the annoying CEL keeps coming on.
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id have to look again at the filters, but i dont wanna open up the air boxes or even open the damm hood until the light comes on again.
re: not going back. i do believe he is competent and trying his best, but that doesnt forgive his screw ups. If i take it elsewhere i lose all my leverage in blaming him for the problem. Ill update after the weekend. will be putting some serious mileage on over the 3-day wknd.
re: not going back. i do believe he is competent and trying his best, but that doesnt forgive his screw ups. If i take it elsewhere i lose all my leverage in blaming him for the problem. Ill update after the weekend. will be putting some serious mileage on over the 3-day wknd.
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I have this same ongoing issue and it started happening immediately after I removed the charcoal filters. I'm overseas and the charcoal filters were thrown away so I can't put them back in. I can't say for certain this was the original cause.
Mine actually got worse though. It started will the CEL's you are talking about and a rough idle. Eventually I had giant poofs of white smoke coming out of the exhaust at startup. Took it to one garage near my work and they told me I needed to replace the entire intake manifold because it was cracked. I thought this was crazy so I went to another garage with a tech I trust more and they said it was probably a leaking manifold gasket. However, once they took the intake manifold off they found that there was quite a bit of oil inside it - apparently not normal. Anyway, they cleaned everything and replaced some valves or something - I will have to get the specific info from them and post it. This helped for a couple days but then the CEL came back. The car is back in the garage today, so I should have more info soon.
DAGREENNYC - Been trying to get in touch with you man. You still want to sell that Carbonio?
Mine actually got worse though. It started will the CEL's you are talking about and a rough idle. Eventually I had giant poofs of white smoke coming out of the exhaust at startup. Took it to one garage near my work and they told me I needed to replace the entire intake manifold because it was cracked. I thought this was crazy so I went to another garage with a tech I trust more and they said it was probably a leaking manifold gasket. However, once they took the intake manifold off they found that there was quite a bit of oil inside it - apparently not normal. Anyway, they cleaned everything and replaced some valves or something - I will have to get the specific info from them and post it. This helped for a couple days but then the CEL came back. The car is back in the garage today, so I should have more info soon.
DAGREENNYC - Been trying to get in touch with you man. You still want to sell that Carbonio?
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Oh crap....no I haven't got my tune yet. I've been waiting until they solved this engine problem since I have to ship the ECU from Dubai to Houston. The shop actually just called me and said I need to replace my MAF's and some sensor. I wonder if the issue will clear up also if they stick Euro spec MAF's in, since the Euro 63's don't have the carbon filters. Although, they haven't given me a price on the MAF's yet - they might be expensive. I really need to get that ECU in for the tune though. Thanks for the info.
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check your intake gaskets , removing the charcoals only made the problem worse ,It may sound stupid but check your dipstick see if seeted
read this
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...fold-leak.html
and this
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...de-2187-a.html
read this
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...fold-leak.html
and this
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...de-2187-a.html
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thx ertech
ya know i forgot to ask if he used the right bolts from the tsb when he did the intake gasket. that was stupid of me to assume he would. Ill find out.
ya know i forgot to ask if he used the right bolts from the tsb when he did the intake gasket. that was stupid of me to assume he would. Ill find out.
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ECU has been shipped to Jerry for the tune. I'm hoping this fixes the problem.
I do wonder about a TSB I saw somewhere stating that the manifold bolts were switched to one time use bolts. Anyone have anymore info on that? I'm fairly certain they didn't replace my bolts when they changed my manifold gasket - no charge for bolts.
I do wonder about a TSB I saw somewhere stating that the manifold bolts were switched to one time use bolts. Anyone have anymore info on that? I'm fairly certain they didn't replace my bolts when they changed my manifold gasket - no charge for bolts.
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I gave you all the info there is your ecu has nothing to to with this
read this well
https://mbworld.org/forums/cls55-amg...-manifold.html
read this well
https://mbworld.org/forums/cls55-amg...-manifold.html
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Thanks for the info. The problem is that my tech already replaced the Intake Manifold Gasket and some other things. Now they want to replace the MAF sensors which would be about $800. Since I already paid for the tune awhile back I figured it is worth a try. The only other thing I question is whether they reused the old intake manifold bolts, since the TSB says they are one time use. I will find this out later today.
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I just bought those bolts today at the stealership...
16 copper bolts 55$ to put in the shardul specials
The dealer told me to reuse them but shardul told me buy new ones...even the dealership reuse them no wonder there's cels...
16 copper bolts 55$ to put in the shardul specials
The dealer told me to reuse them but shardul told me buy new ones...even the dealership reuse them no wonder there's cels...
Last edited by Hulk; Mar 22, 2012 at 10:20 PM.
