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Old May 11, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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--ESP OFF-- is trouble

hey so just wanted to share my little experience i had earlier, i never mess with it, its always ON so i thought id hit that little button and see whats up... Let me just say that this thing OFF is dangerous if your not in an open road with nothing around, i swear i hit the gas not even half way and i was tossed around lmao scariest thing today for me for sure, almost did a 360... i was left speechless and with a heart rate of 180 i bet it was lol i'll tell you i thought i unleashed a monster.. my car is fast but with the ESP OFF i thought it was about to FLY... anyways long story short, it was a crazy scary experience for me, deff wont try it again on narrow roads or with cars around
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Old May 11, 2012 | 11:41 PM
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You've owned the car for like a year and just found that out?
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Old May 11, 2012 | 11:59 PM
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I actually like the car with ESP off better, as the car becomes more of a drivers car and less lexus-like...that said, you need to know what you are doing and cannot just mash the throttle.
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Old May 12, 2012 | 12:07 AM
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You've owned the car for like a year and just found that out?
no dude i just never used it... i've used it on my m3's and stuff but it wasnt as crazy as this
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Old May 12, 2012 | 12:08 AM
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One reason I hate ESP is wheel hop
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Old May 12, 2012 | 12:08 AM
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I actually like the car with ESP off better, as the car becomes more of a drivers car and less lexus-like...that said, you need to know what you are doing and cannot just mash the throttle.
def gotta know what your doing and not mashing on the throttle lol.... its hard not to mash on the damm thing
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Old May 12, 2012 | 02:58 AM
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Stay the heck away from dyno mode then man. Lol
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Old May 12, 2012 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cij911
I actually like the car with ESP off better, as the car becomes more of a drivers car and less lexus-like...that said, you need to know what you are doing and cannot just mash the throttle.
+1, as soon as i start the car, i turn esp off... love it

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Stay the heck away from dyno mode then man. Lol
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Old May 12, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
One reason I hate ESP is wheel hop
Please elaborate.....



To the OP: even with a bone stock E55 I had a similar experience... You don't realize how much the nannies are interfering on a regular basis until they aren't. . I find it funny that we all complain about needing more HP (since 469 isn't enough) when in reality the nannies are probably only giving us half that amount during normal city driving.

With a "normal" car, you can use the gas pedal as a binary switch without consequences.... With ESP off on an E55, the gas pedal is most certainly a sensitive and lethal analog device.


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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GregMB
Please elaborate.....



With a "normal" car, you can use the gas pedal as a binary switch without consequences.... With ESP off on an E55, the gas pedal is most certainly a sensitive and lethal analog device.


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Not mine. Sure, I could crash it, and I can throw it sideways quickly by mashing the gas on a corner or flicking the steering-But my ESP is a NAGGING GRANDMOTHER.

Not to mention...with ESP off it's the same story...just a little looser. I have one of the sorry E55's that refuses to do a burnout with ESP off. Can't even get smoke. Tires within like 1.5% or less, and still fails. I wish my car was a lunatic with ESP off. Especially since nobody seems to know why some E55's are like this. You guys are lucky.

EDIT*-we need pushbutton dyno mode for e55's like mine.
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:09 AM
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Just keep practicing bro, ESP butchers the hell out of first gear pulls. With it off and a patient right foot I can pull to 60 a lot faster rather than mashing the pedal down with ESP on cutting the power down.

And next time record it so we can all point and laugh lol jk man.. But really
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:11 AM
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+1 = ESP off! First order of business after turning the key.

I'd encourage anyone with a car of this pedigree to get to some club days at the road-race track and learn to drive it. It'll make you faster than ANY mod you'll EVER bolt onto the car! ;-)
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Originally Posted by MindBend
+1 = ESP off! First order of business after turning the key.

I'd encourage anyone with a car of this pedigree to get to some club days at the road-race track and learn to drive it. It'll make you faster than ANY mod you'll EVER bolt onto the car! ;-)
Absolutely great advice !
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Blk04e55
Just keep practicing bro, ESP butchers the hell out of first gear pulls. With it off and a patient right foot I can pull to 60 a lot faster rather than mashing the pedal down with ESP on cutting the power down.

And next time record it so we can all point and laugh lol jk man.. But really

If you're referring to me and not OP-there is noted difference in E55's and their ESP system performance. Some 05-06 cars have ESP that won't allow wheelspin even when off. This may be fine for some but for those of us that go to the track and need to heat tires it's crippling.
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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Thanks. Indeed it's true--I used to think I was a good driver 'til I started doing track days. I quickly realized that I knew NOTHING MUCH about driving. After about 100 tracks days notched into my belt, I'm still learning. ;-)
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Originally Posted by GregMB
Please elaborate.....



To the OP: even with a bone stock E55 I had a similar experience... You don't realize how much the nannies are interfering on a regular basis until they aren't. . I find it funny that we all complain about needing more HP (since 469 isn't enough) when in reality the nannies are probably only giving us half that amount during normal city driving.

With a "normal" car, you can use the gas pedal as a binary switch without consequences.... With ESP off on an E55, the gas pedal is most certainly a sensitive and lethal analog device.


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Id much rather just spin the tires freely when ESP is off, than have wheel hop when ESP is on.. Wheel hop scares me and I always think something is going to break
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:21 AM
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I like when no-drivers turn the EPS off. It gives us parts-cars to scavenge from! ;-)
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:29 AM
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I like when no-drivers turn the EPS off. It gives us parts-cars to scavenge from! ;-)
Damn thats cold LoL
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:30 AM
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Man, I daily drive with ESP off.

Even did a full dyno mode for a good few weeks like a nutjob on the streets.

I do have to admit, first time I got curious, which was very quick after purchase, I ended up trying to turn left onto an empty huge street with no divider. There was traffic on my right side, so the embarrassment burned even more, as they were just watching me fail. I ended up swinging the tail very nicely, but I guess the road is very slanted and I ended up doing a full 180* spin facing the people that where originally to my right.

Huge cloud of smoke too, the Pre Safe managed to stop my vehicle very quickly when it knew I was in trouble, granted I was in the middle of a huge 5 lane road with no traffic.

My windows and sunroof had nearly closed too before my motor was shut off. I didn't even notice it turn off, I just tried to leave the crime scene, but had to shift back into Park and turn it back on, drop it into drive and flip a 180* and escape the area.
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Old May 12, 2012 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
Id much rather just spin the tires freely when ESP is off, than have wheel hop when ESP is on.. Wheel hop scares me and I always think something is going to break
So the hop you are describing is the ESP repeatedly cutting in and out causing the rear suspension to bounce?


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Listen to my throttle modulation in this vid i made last night.i drive my car with esp off 24/7 and the car is north of 540whp in this vid

Ps greg and drew u guys going to the car show dyna day today?

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....22815435&saved
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Old May 12, 2012 | 09:35 AM
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id like to know little more about dyno mode?? sorry not really sure what it is or do!!

but seems like you all have some fun stories with esp off lol have fun but decently be careful
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Originally Posted by berti_00
hey so just wanted to share my little experience i had earlier, i never mess with it, its always ON so i thought id hit that little button and see whats up... Let me just say that this thing OFF is dangerous if your not in an open road with nothing around, i swear i hit the gas not even half way and i was tossed around lmao scariest thing today for me for sure, almost did a 360... i was left speechless and with a heart rate of 180 i bet it was lol i'll tell you i thought i unleashed a monster.. my car is fast but with the ESP OFF i thought it was about to FLY... anyways long story short, it was a crazy scary experience for me, deff wont try it again on narrow roads or with cars around

You have to be careful bro, especially with the brutal low end torque. You are lucky the e55 is such a tank otherwise she would have come around on you even faster.

Don't be afraid of it man, find a nice wide open parking lot, put the car in dyno mode, and practice launching hard. Learn to keep it straight, it will give you a whole new respect for the car and could save your life if you ever got bent out of shape on the street homey.
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You have to be careful bro, especially with the brutal low end torque. You are lucky the e55 is such a tank otherwise she would have come around on you even faster.

Don't be afraid of it man, find a nice wide open parking lot, put the car in dyno mode, and practice launching hard. Learn to keep it straight, it will give you a whole new respect for the car and could save your life if you ever got bent out of shape on the street homey.
Thx bro... and about the dyno mode, how do i come about doing that?
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Search dyno mode in our forum, I created a diy for it.
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