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Old 03-16-2013, 09:35 AM
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The beauty of this kit in my mind is exactly what I saw yesterday.

Gadget's car has basic mods, compared to some of the more involved set ups out there....long tubes into stock resonators, the Wiestec kit and an 82mm TB. He is running a simple split cooling system with a small tank under the hood. I mean look where his intake is...over the headers...lol.

Let's consider how long the record run of 10.7 stood, how long it took to get there and what it currently takes to beat it.

Gadget threw on some drag radials, took the heavy azz jack out of the trunk and drove a cold car to a 10.7....just like that!

Sure there may be some cooling issues with lapping it, but nothing you can't fix
I think meth/water injection and a better intake will push this set up past the record....at full weight

I'm impressed!
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Originally Posted by Worth the wait
The beauty of this kit in my mind is exactly what I saw yesterday.

Gadget's car has basic mods, compared to some of the more involved set ups out there....long tubes into stock resonators, the Wiestec kit and an 82mm TB. He is running a simple split cooling system with a small tank under the hood. I mean look where his intake is...over the headers...lol.

Let's consider how long the record run of 10.7 stood, how long it took to get there and what it currently takes to beat it.

Gadget threw on some drag radials, took the heavy azz jack out of the trunk and drove a cold car to a 10.7....just like that!

Sure there may be some cooling issues with lapping it, but nothing you can't fix
I think meth/water injection and a better intake will push this set up past the record....at full weight

I'm impressed!
I think we've got some plans
Old 03-16-2013, 10:10 AM
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:19 AM
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Yep, figured it out.

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Old 03-16-2013, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Worth the wait
It won't have the speed and power the big blower picks up in the back half
........you may be right but when it comes to power mods and drag racing I am more of a numbers guy. What ever the numbers say is what it is.

.......I actually like Weistec as a company, they don't over-promise and they tend to deliver what they promise. They promised consistent upper 500's WHP. Others, not Weistec were touting 800WHP, which now seems unrealistic as it did when it was first brought up. A consistent 10.xxxx run in the 1/4 is impressive and consistent with Weistec's WHP claims.

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Old 03-16-2013, 11:08 AM
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Come on Ted, you are still saying people were "touting 800whp?" They "claimed" that power range on cars that were running big boost that the blower is capable of running on race gas setups and built engines that can for sure handle the power, not on cars with stock engines running pump gas tunes.

I don't recall anyone expecting the "off the shelf" setup to make 800whp because nobody in their right mind (that I know of) is going to pulley the thing to make say 25-26psi and see what happens unless they have a built engine. Nobody does yet but there are a couple in the works with Sir-boost-alot and his sleeved block setup being finished soon as well as the car Eurocharged is building with heads, cams and built block.

That is when you are going to see the 800whp range numbers pushing the blower to boost levels well in the 20s.
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Originally Posted by urbamworm
Come on Ted, you are still saying people were "touting 800whp?" They "claimed" that power range on cars that were running big boost that the blower is capable of running on race gas setups and built engines that can for sure handle the power, not on cars with stock engines running pump gas tunes.

I don't recall anyone expecting the "off the shelf" setup to make 800whp because nobody in their right mind (that I know of) is going to pulley the thing to make say 25-26psi and see what happens unless they have a built engine. Nobody does yet but there are a couple in the works with Sir-boost-alot and his sleeved block setup being finished soon as well as the car Eurocharged is building with heads, cams and built block.

That is when you are going to see the 800whp range numbers pushing the blower to boost levels well in the 20s.
......it doesn't matter. Until you have 800WHP, it doesn't exist. If you have 800WHP, then it exists. Just like if you haven't run 10's, then you haven't run 10's.

......of course one can always imagine situations when this mod plus this mod plus this mod will yield XWHP. The Internet is full of this. This is what you are doing and not what Weistec did.

Ted.

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Old 03-16-2013, 11:43 AM
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We will see soon enough just what big numbers it does
Old 03-16-2013, 11:55 AM
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Well you're half right. The head unit is definitely capable of 800whp, that's indisputable. So you are correct in saying that you don't have it until you have it, however the claims others were making we're that the potential is there, and they would also be correct.

Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
......it doesn't matter. Until you have 800WHP, it doesn't exist. If you have 800WHP, then it exists. Just like if you haven't run 10's, then you haven't run 10's.

......of course one can always imagine situations when this mod plus this mod plus this mod will yield XWHP. The Internet is full of this. This is what you are doing and not what Weistec did.

Ted.
Old 03-16-2013, 12:20 PM
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Yours almost done Chris? You plan on running more than the basic 17psi they do for the full exhaust/throttle body car too for stock engine customers?
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My headers and mid pipes will be shipping out of ARH on Monday, so i may try and baseline dyno the car early in the week and then start tearing it apart. I'm going to do a bigger heat exchanger in the front, as well as some kind of larger standalone reservoir when the blower goes on as well and also do a cold air setup for the blower intake. 0% chance I'm leaving it with the filter on top of the header and I think I've got a plan for it.

In regards to the boost, I'll probably leave it where it's at unless the rest of the engine build drags on too long? (engine builds have a way of circumventing your timeframe expectations, right Steve?). In that case, I want to do an EGT logger preferably on all 8 but at least on one hole from each bank. I don't think 8 will necessarily be the lean hole anymore due to changes with the fuel rail and eliminating the tanks above the intake runners. If the EGTs are in check, then we can get a true feel for how much power the stock engine can handle. Whatever breaks at that point will have broken due to physically overloading the components instead of melting due to heat or detonation.

I'm ok with that

I'd kind of forgotten about the Weistec having gotten really busy with work past few weeks but seeing Gadget video got the fire burning again! We're about out of cool days here though for good track times, maybe well get lucky and that 85 forecast for next week wont be the coolest it gets until October
Originally Posted by urbamworm
Yours almost done Chris? You plan on running more than the basic 17psi they do for the full exhaust/throttle body car too for stock engine customers?

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Old 03-16-2013, 03:32 PM
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Unfortunately (or is it fortunatley? ) you live in Florida and only get cold weather about 1 month a year haha. I guess you at least don't live in south Florida where it could be even worse at times.

Can't wait to see your car in action and meeting up for some comparison runs will be cool too if that happens. Just over 2 weeks and I will be home.
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It's fing beautiful out now though! I'm actually on my way to Miami right now to meet some friends for the Ultra parties that are all week long. It'd have been nice if the blower was done now, there's plenty of places to stop and visit Mexico on the way down south to scratch your speed itch!

Originally Posted by urbamworm
Unfortunately (or is it fortunatley? ) you live in Florida and only get cold weather about 1 month a year haha. I guess you at least don't live in south Florida where it could be even worse at times.

Can't wait to see your car in action and meeting up for some comparison runs will be cool too if that happens. Just over 2 weeks and I will be home.
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Now I don't know what to do I was just about to break my car up to swap to a 63 M156 and put a Weistec or Kleemann SC on, now I'm thinking stick with a 55 M133K and bolt on the Weistec kit
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It'd damn sure come to life with all those supporting mods you have there, wouldn't it!

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Now I don't know what to do I was just about to break my car up to swap to a 63 M156 and put a Weistec or Kleemann SC on, now I'm thinking stick with a 55 M133K and bolt on the Weistec kit
Old 03-16-2013, 04:11 PM
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but seeing Gadget video got the fire burning again!
I agree, I think I will have to start building a weistec budget myself

Anyone else think this kit is begging for a killer chiller setup?
Old 03-16-2013, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
......it doesn't matter. Until you have 800WHP, it doesn't exist. If you have 800WHP, then it exists. Just like if you haven't run 10's, then you haven't run 10's.

......of course one can always imagine situations when this mod plus this mod plus this mod will yield XWHP. The Internet is full of this. This is what you are doing and not what Weistec did.

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You're a numbers guy? I'm a glass half-full kinda guy. I for one still hold faith 800whp is achievable and WILL be achieved, period. I too plan to do this upgrade and my engine is currently getting built by BenzWorks. My engine, plus this blower will put out the numbers I seek. Or I guess because my build is in the works, the numbers that "don't exist".

Smh @ everyone always playing down the E55. I remember when people were saying 10s will never be seen. Everyone always said I was crazy, now it's the norm for modded E55s. 800w/9-sec will be achieved in the near future. I mean no disrespect Ted, but it doesn't matter wether you continue with your pessimistic attitude regarding E55s, it will only go to separate your 11/10 second E55 to my soon-to-be 9-sec E55 (which doesn't exist I know ). Hurry up Serge, we got people to prove wrong

Anyways, having a projected outcome in WHP and or 1/4 mile times when modding is part of the game. Doesn't mean your internet racing.
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
......it doesn't matter. Until you have 800WHP, it doesn't exist. If you have 800WHP, then it exists. Just like if you haven't run 10's, then you haven't run 10's.

......of course one can always imagine situations when this mod plus this mod plus this mod will yield XWHP. The Internet is full of this. This is what you are doing and not what Weistec did.

Ted.
Well the 1st weistec that went to the track did exactly what I said it would that you thought wouldn't happen. Still doubting this kit I see. Wanna make a bet against me that I won't make 800hp or run 9's with a wiestec??? Put your money where your mouth is right?
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Originally Posted by e55amgrocket
Well the 1st weistec that went to the track did exactly what I said it would that you thought wouldn't happen. Still doubting this kit I see. Wanna make a bet against me that I won't make 800hp or run 9's with a wiestec??? Put your money where your mouth is right?
We already know he won't do that
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
......it doesn't matter. Until you have 800WHP, it doesn't exist. If you have 800WHP, then it exists. Just like if you haven't run 10's, then you haven't run 10's.

......of course one can always imagine situations when this mod plus this mod plus this mod will yield XWHP. The Internet is full of this. This is what you are doing and not what Weistec did.

Ted.
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