Ted Baldwin

......yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions. If you can't tune it, don't build it. If you have never done it, don't say you can.


Ted

Ted Baldwin

.......I don't think you are bashing Mercedes Benz owners at all. You are speaking your mind and that's cool. I just think you are mistaken.

.......as for what programs the so called tuners are using, here is the deal. Unlike with tuners of other cars, in the Mercedes Benz world there isn't a single piggy back or stand alone system in entire Mercedes Benz tuning world. This naturally limts what the so called tuners can do, but it doesn't limit their enthusiasm in advertising their capabilities.


Ted

layzie12g

I can understand ya on that. I would think you would need a person with a very particular skill set to write any kind of programming for these cars.

320 dreamer

have to disagree with you on this point. i started modding my twin turbo porsche as soon as i got it. after numerous addons i found a tuner and he is currently tuning my car remotely using specific dataloggs. im 3 reflashes away from were he wants the car and it drives like stock and idles at 700 rpm just like stock. funny thing is im over 150 rwhp from stock. so you can mod and have a car run like stock if you have the proper support
i also did prototype work with my slk32 amg . parts that had never been built for these cars before. using buckhead the car ran perfect and idled like stock with no issues. again its all about the support AND giving the tuner the info he needs to get the car right

GotTheBenz

+1

GotTheBenz

You may get a "break"----a break in your bank account.

You're wrong about your assumption. Case and point:

The latest "break" regarding internet slander is Girl's Gone Wild
founder filing BK because a judge and jury awarded Steve Wynn
$40 million---yes, $40 million for Franc's slander on the internet.

The judge called Francis an, "internet assasin."

Internet is a pioneering field, and as with all pioneering fiends,
laws will catch up and develop, as it has with Wynn vs Francis.

And now with this BIG precedence of the Wynn case---you better
think not only about "break", but also about how much BITE Jerry has.

-R

Hulk

Lmao

e55amgrocket

I was referring to the 8 weeks to build and tune a twin turbo kit that behaves like stock.

320 dreamer

agreed. the build takes as long as it takes. but when done the car should be able to behave as stock at idle and run seamlessly on the street.

layzie12g

HA! Internet slander turning in to a lawsuit. Only on a Mercedes forum...

I don't think Pornhub will come after me if I write a post stating their website gave me a computer virus.

On another note I personally have yet to see any car with 1550cc+ injectors that are not $1,500 Hi-z's idle great. I guess ya gotta pay to play some times. I should say pay to idle well.

overZealous1

i believe this is a part of what the other poster was leaning towards. you have a lot more people dropping cars off somewhere to be worked on, rather than people building their own cars. the translation gets lost in between what is actually happening, and what is interpreted from the tuner by the owner of the car.
90% of what is on the site is only an interpretation of what the tuner tells the customer, and the customer posts that like it is first hand. but actually never having a full understanding of what is going on outside of writing a check and expecting to be able to floor it full time after payment.
it makes it very hard in this community for most to decide right and wrong. you never get a "tuners" post of what happened for sake of bad press, and you only get the interpretation from the car owner.

oh, by the way, welcome to the world of customizing cars. unless you can test in all temps, altitudes, and environments like a manufacturer does and make sure the parts you are buying were, then you are on your own. explained it on another post of mine on here, look at short and long term fuel trims (you did look at those right?) pay closer attention to you ltft. that creates your ecu's overall expansion to compensate.

bottom line, the more you build your car, the more it costs to keep it running. don't care who you are or what you know, that is the baseline. would love to see a rebuttal to that.
i am on no ones side for this weistec thread. i would buy one in a second if i didn't feel i could build a better hard parts package myself. it does come down to the tuning and that, brings us full circle again to the tuning part. sucks to have a car with as much potential, yet an ecu that either seems so hard to tune, or, tuners who need to keep the doors open and do remote tunes to keep money coming in to keep them open.
sure wish i had the answers, but even me, has other **** to do and spending a couple months to figure out the codes would be losing money, so learn about your car, then modify it, then expect to blow it, then expect to fix it, then expect to build it better, then blow it, then go bigger again, then blow that, then go over the top, and land where you expected on step one, then spend a lot more and possibly make it to your expectations. THAT IS HOW THIS HOBBY WORKS!!

layzie12g

Exactly.

JonMBZ

I really don't understand why Weistec just didn't step up and fix the whole thing before the OP had ANY worries. If you are a stand up company than you should make the customer feel like they are in good hands and don't need to spread anything even though he didn't or so he says. Unless Weistec can prove without a doubt the customer screwed up then they should take care of it. Is 5-10k too much for them? If so then that loses their company credibility due to the fact they don't have the cash flow to fix their errors. Also if they took charge early on this abortion of a thread would have never come to be in the first place. The damage done to their reputations weather people believe me or not is far worse. People are already hesitant to push their cars and spend that type of money in the first place, but after reading a thread like this?! Everyone is also blaming Hulk, but the truth is that they most likely had no intentions of helping in the first thing as the OP said discussions were going no where, I am not defending his childish/threatening attitude here, but everyone is shifting blame where it needs to be pointed at. In the car business I have always came to the realization that no matter how stupid the customer is or if they screwed up or whatever, the bad word of mouth is far worse for the business than the write-off. Now we are talking about bad press on a worldwide forum where the products in question were first shown to anyone. They really need to get their priorities straight and not taking things personal with the customer. Just fix the ****ing problem and you will be heroes instead of the big bad wolf. Good luck with your issues and next time follow their instructions on how your build should go.

Toadster

maybe if a full engine test was done prior to mounting the new kit - otherwise everyone would buy thrashed motors, slap on a kit and expect a new engine

sometimes doing 'everything' at once - cooling, mods, etc leads to more problems... unless you're a professional tuner and it's your 100th time doing it, take it in pieces...

e55amgrocket

If you buy a whipple,vortech,Paxton,kenne bell,lysholm,pro charger etc etc and you blow a engine call and ask them for another engine or to cover the cost. And yes they all sell complete kits including the tune.

skratch77

So we are supposed to be beta testers and guinny pigs for the tuner?Is that what you are saying?You are insane bro,Im sorry but if I drop 20gs on say the kleemann c63 blower kit for the 6.2 engine Im not ****ing worring about ltfts and how much timing is in the tune or what my a/f ratios are,thats the tuners job and Im not going to be a test mule for them,its there job to build the kit and TEST it out in the real world and its there job to do the r&d

I don't need to be worried about if my supercharger is on all the time and the stock system has fail safe clutch that will kill boost and is design that way with the stock ecu and its not my problem worrying if the tuner figured out the ecu part about it.

Do you think if I drop 20k on a kleemann blower kit Cory is going to tell me to log my ltfts and report back to him so he can teak the tune?

Its not the customers problem and thats is why he is dropping the big bucks to get his mercedes tuned.

here is a blower kit for the sls and its around 37k and will run you about 40k installed

http://shop.kleemann.dk/shop/sls-k2s-for-sls-895p.html

MACH-E55

I agree^^^^ im not spending 80k+ on a car and then being a guinea pig for a product. If a company is charging top dollar for these kits, all testing should be done on their end hence the price?! While getting my car tuned at speedriven not to long ago, I spoke to marcin about his kit and why its taking so long. He told me that he has to make sure that the kit is perfect, and put it on a car, and get that car to put down couple k miles before its ready. Work out all the kinks, so that the customer doesn't have to. A true plug and play setup. Im not a brand/tuner "*****" but from what I have seen and heard I think ill wait for the speedriven kit. But this all just my opinion.

But most importantly, Id like to say im sorry to hear about op's misfortune and hope it gets resolved between him and the tuner!!

On a different subject i saw earlier some people talking down ec, from what ive seen and read, they backed up their fault and admitted to their mistake and went forth to help, I don't know about you guys but in my opinion that's great customer service and belief in their product! So +1 to EC Great tuner

overZealous1

if you look at how the posts have gone, it is typically the people who build their own cars or in the industry that know how everything works. there is no guaranties!

if you feel that simply paying your tuner to do stuff gives you a guaranty that nothing will happen then you may want to just leave it stock.

i am defiantely not saying tuners should be making paying customers the test beds (unless it is spoken and done for product testing) and they should make sure their products are safe before selling.
that still does not mean there won't be some failures. if it was a blatant product failure like the bearings going or cracked case or something like that then yes, it is easy to place blame. a tuning problem and you will get everyone pointing at everyone else to lay blame. pretty obvious thats how it works based on this very example.

you are insane by trying to argue this point with a guy who has been in the industry, building cars, building engines, designing and developing parts for 25 years. if you care to live under the vail of expecting someone else to pay when you decide to build your motor up and it blows, then you will have a car not running for a long time!!!

layzie12g

I do agree that paying customers should never be a test bed for anyone's product.

We also have to remember the flip side to that coin. If you drive your car like its a race car it will break like one. Period. These are pieces of machinery that can only take so much abuse. Even in stock form. When you start customizing the question is how far and how long do you push till it pops?

Shifter

Whatever happened with this?..

RedBullJnky

That's a damn good question.

Sir-Boost-a-Lot

iTrader: (1)

Well he needed a new engine built... That takes a decent amount of time is my guess.

urbamworm

Looks like it only takes a few days according to this thread I was looking at the other day

Sir-Boost-a-Lot

iTrader: (1)

Lol that's a junior build. The one with the good parts took three months just to get the sleeves installed.

RedBullJnky

Yeah, I found out. I'll let the op tell you, if he wants to.

I'll tell you this, Wiestec will never get the Redbulljnky's money.