Hulk

If Ted knows that then its great that someone stepped up

kustom2k1

His name is Robert Paulson....

need4spd

Here is the latest project that he's trying to get to the show, but no promises

urbamworm

Dang, some Audi guys are gonna crap themself when they see that on Audizine if it makes it there and isn't already there.

need4spd

Not sure not a big "VW" fan

urbamworm

Oh come on, you don't call Porsches "VWs" too do you? A VW Beetle on steroids.

gaspam

just for point of reference how much "top shops" charge for one-off turbo setups on a non-turbo car, some guys on the audi forums have contacted UnderGroundRacing to twin turbo their audi S5's and UGR quoted them $50,000 with $20K deposit upfront...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-twin-turbo-S5

so cost is usually the issue on one-off setups unless you do it all yourself

urbamworm

I would never go to UGR unless I wanted to pay triple what I could some where else for a nice setup. There are tons of shops out there that do good work and make stupid fast cars that aren't absolutely insane with prices.

need4spd

Point of reference, PARTS on that Audi are not even close to 5k yet
It pays to DIY save yourself 45k

urbamworm

Haha, or have a friend who isn't really a good fabricator and doesn't know what they are doing and you just think they do because you don't know **** and think their stuff is awesome do it for you. lol

That wasn't a direct quote, but close enough.

loungn14

lol. The problem you will have is getting the car to run right and then the tuning. Trust me its a nightmare, and you better practice your german and have star dev. The tuning is no where straight forward. First startup of the turbo xfire wouldn't even idle no matter what the tuning file. There is a ton to it.

need4spd

That's covered already

urbamworm

Well obviously the tuning is left to someone else like Jerry Or you could always run a standalone computer, ProEFI, AEM, Motec, Megasquirt, etc. I mean hell that is what UGR, Heffner, Dallas Performance, etc, etc. does on Gallardos, and you name it. I would personally rather have the stock ecu do the work if possible though.

loungn14

You will just lose a lot of functionality with a standalone the way I have seen it.

viren.89

So "Greg MB" was right all along eh, no one will do it. I guess it does pay to be an old member lol you remember all the threads

tscales

I didn't read every post, but I'm lost. Why would I give up the instantaneous torque of a Supercharger for the lag of a Turbocharger?

I hate the lag in my 996TT.

viren.89

Oh they aren't talking about which system is efficient or better rather the posts have come down to, who will take the oath of building a "TT system" ready for E55. The funds are ready and provided by a gentleman named "Ted" also referred to as "The MAN" and has been known to be here "before it all started". None of the tuning company have yet taken up on the challenge set forth by "Ted" though when initially the claims were that cost was the only issue.

AMS_Performance

I would be interested but we really would need more than 8 weeks (Honestly 12-16 is what I can offer) that or we have to schedule this for a ways out as we are pretty knee deep in projects right now. if you are indeed serious though Ted PM me

Edit: I just saw the dyno dynamics comment, that I cannot do as we use a dynojet here in house.

I understand a few of you are saying that if it was made people would buy it but I think you are over estimating the community as a whole. To make a product like this successful you would be looking at a minimum of about 40 kits sold a year.... and at roughly half of what the cars retail for now used that is a BIG nut to crack.

If someone (like Ted) was willing to fund a one off kit we would be open to it. I just don't know how serious he is nor would I blame him if he didn't want to go down that road. Being that I am an E55 owner myself and work at AMS I am still apprehensive about taking on that project if only for the downtime associated with it.

I don't for one second think tuning is going to be easy, nothing worth having ever is. However they said that about the new GT-R too and we have put over 1500whp through the stock computer and 1600whp through a stand-alone. We just started playing with the M157 and with ONLY bolt on turbos we are tipping on the 800whp mark. https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...os-787whp.html

As far as a production part is concerned I can tell you with 99% certainly AMS will never make an E55 Twin turbo kit.

Eric

AKnight55

danfink

I would venture to say the reason is similar to why people like this guy replace their stock superchargers with turbos.

PACougar

Ted's turn.

AMS_Performance

To me a turbocharger will actually give you more usable power, especially in the case of a RWD car. Having low end torque is GREAT but too much (as is the case in the E55) is really sort of useless unless your end goal is to kill tires. That lag will actually create a faster car as the tires can actually hold the power down low and be less likely to break loose while already at speed.

It's also worth mentioning you are now eliminating any power lost from actually running the supercharger being that turbos use expelled energy to create their power rather than a supercharger which uses HP to make HP.

In my personal opinion any way you slice it a turbo is the better option but it can be a very debatable topic with several facets.

Eric

Sir-Boost-a-Lot

iTrader: (1)

Not to mention that the exhaust side of the turbos can be sized to change the boost characteristics to your liking, and a good EBC can help keep the pressure where you want it on the cold side.

Like you said, there's a few pros and cons of each, but turbo lag isn't an issue if you don't want it to be.

320 dreamer

if you have turbo lag your in the wrong gear!

Ted Baldwin

......I saw this, but didn't think it was serious. I'd prefer the conversation to be on the open forum, so that for me and for the tuner there will be no he said, she said. The content of the legal contract will also be on the open forum. It's best out in the open because there has been too much bs regarding this issue.


.......AMS have pulled out and they did this on the open forum. I thank them for stepping up on the open forum and admitting they are unable to do it. What I urge now, is for them once and forever, stop the talking.

......also I want to be clear, I don't think this is impossible to do. I just think we in the Mercedes Benz world with possible exception of kleemann, Brabus and perhaps renntech, we don't have the same caliber of tuners as other car makes. We just have tuners that talk a good game. Enough with the bs!


Ted