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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 09:55 AM
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new tcu from dealer review

I had a code pending in my tcu and the dealer changed it to the latest one mb is using,not sure what verison firmware but I decided to shut traction control off and in second gear I went wide open and the car spun the tires so hard without the light blinking and killing power.

I went sideways for a good 2-3 seconds

now to the bad,I still cant do a brake stand as it just kills power,even worse now then before.I cant get the tires to break lose at all at a stand still.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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now to the bad,I still cant do a brake stand as it just kills power,even worse now then before.I cant get the tires to break lose at all at a stand still.
That sounds kinda embarrassing considering the power our cars make.

I've never tried a standing burnout. Is this normal for our nanny to restrict that?
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 10:33 AM
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Ive only done a standstill burnout once, and the car did it without any issue, My car is stock.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Qmax03
Ive only done a standstill burnout once, and the car did it without any issue, My car is stock.
2005 and 2006 e55s depending on ecu got a stupid tc program that will not let you do a burn out.

my brothers 2004 e55 bone stock would let you rip the tires arapt for days doing a brake stand and my car just bogs and does nothing.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 10:54 AM
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Yip me too, with 708rwtq when I try and do a standing burnout my 06 looks like a Honda without Vtec. Only way to get round that for us it to quickly pop it in dyno mode and bake em, lol.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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For God's sake...... will somebody with access to an '03-'04 E55 car please pull the ESL/ESP module (right next to the TCU) and plug it into an '05-'06 E55!!!!!???

I'm willing to bet money that THIS will give the later model E55s the same burnout capability as the '03-'04 models.....




Shardul posted this photo about a year ago of an early-style ESL/ESP module for reference.


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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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and yes i still have this part for sale
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
2005 and 2006 e55s depending on ecu got a stupid tc program that will not let you do a burn out.
What do you mean by depending on ecu?

I'm bone stock to the tires and I have NO issue doing a stand burn out or anything relating to burning out from a slow roll or stand

I have an 06.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:18 AM
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and yes i still have this part for sale


PM me with your best deal and maybe I'll just try this myself to end the speculation once and for all!!!!


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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Baronet1
What do you mean by depending on ecu?

I'm bone stock to the tires and I have NO issue doing a stand burn out or anything relating to burning out from a slow roll or stand

I have an 06.
I mean your ESL stability ecu
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 11:58 AM
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I just bought an '04 TCU and expect to get it next week and have an '06 car. I will report back what happens. I suffer the same as others with an '06 where I get Yugo power as soon as I do a powerbrake. At the track its impossible to do a proper burn out with out dyno mode.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:11 PM
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My 05 can roast tires easily with ESP turned off.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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Gotta love a forum where the mod list includes backdating components in order to do endless burnouts!

For those with '05-'06 that can do burnouts, I think you are confusing a standing start burnout with power-brake burnouts. If you put brake and throttle pressure on at the same time, the computer kills the power.

Also, I found that if I leave it in S mode with TC off and do a burnout, the car will go for a few yards with tires spinning and then short shift to second.

The upside is that the electronic nannies are helping my tire budget!
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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GregMB-Your fantasy may become a reality homey As part of my 3.06 gear swap in the rear, I have a spare 04 TCU going in my 06 sled today. The only issue is that the 04 tcu will have my 06 file going in it, except calibrated for the 3.06 gear.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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We can all roast tires from a dead stop with ESP off (2003 - 2006)

The distinction is what happens when you hold the brake and try the same thing. It seems pretty clear that after 2 - 3 seconds the 2005 & 2006MY cars shut the throttlebody down and the burnout ends.

If you are able to do a brake-assisted burnout in an '05 or '06 car you have a lucky car indeed!


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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chawkins2001
GregMB-Your fantasy may become a reality homey As part of my 3.06 gear swap in the rear, I have a spare 04 TCU going in my 06 sled today. The only issue is that the 04 tcu will have my 06 file going in it, except calibrated for the 3.06 gear.

A simple "before" and "after" YouTube video clip of the swap will launch you into internet immortality!!! Keep us in the loop.

Shardul made me an offer I couldn't refuse on his ESL, so I'm going to be trying that out next week. I would love to finally get a conclusive answer to this nagging problem.... these new tires of mine have WAAAAY too much tread for my liking.


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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 02:26 PM
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We can all roast tires from a dead stop with ESP off (2003 - 2006)

The distinction is what happens when you hold the brake and try the same thing. It seems pretty clear that after 2 - 3 seconds the 2005 & 2006MY cars shut the throttlebody down and the burnout ends.

If you are able to do a brake-assisted burnout in an '05 or '06 car you have a lucky car indeed!


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This is not a problem for me in my 05. When I get back in town I can try to get a video of my 05 holding the brake and doing a standing burnout.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 02:36 PM
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I'd be interested to see that.

There is always a chance that you have an "early" 2005 build car and they were still using up the last of the 2004 ESP/ESL modules before cutting over to the new design? Do you know when your car was manufactured?

Obviously with the complete VIN it is possible to drill down in the EPC-NET database to see what part numbers would have been used, etc. Or a quick check under the passenger-side footwell would allow you to see what your actual part numbers are....


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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 02:42 PM
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I'll give it a shot in my 05
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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I would love to be able to stand on it and not spin the tires! Also want to address the pathetic "partial close of the throttle blades" between shifts!
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 04:49 PM
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Early build 05 would have the same arm rest as the 03-04
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 09:43 PM
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Okay I never wanted to try this but today just to see if there is actually a difference I did.

I can attest that my 04 E55 AMG with left foot on the brake and right foot on the gas pedal does allow me to burn the tires.

I tried with traction off = tires burn
Traction on = still was able to do it and for some reason traction does not even come on or flash or maybe I thought they were burning but nothing was actually happening
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My 05 will only spin for about 2 seconds doing a "power break" burnout then it bogs down, when I am at the track I would do that and then let off the brake when I feel it starting to bog and then it would start roasting them again until I let off doing a rolling burnout up to the line. I do this in M mode in 1st gear.

Like mentioned above, if I am in S mode and traction control off and punch it (no brake) it will roast the tires for about 10 yards maybe then short shift to 2nd and stop spinning.
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Originally Posted by GregMB
I'd be interested to see that.

There is always a chance that you have an "early" 2005 build car and they were still using up the last of the 2004 ESP/ESL modules before cutting over to the new design? Do you know when your car was manufactured?

Obviously with the complete VIN it is possible to drill down in the EPC-NET database to see what part numbers would have been used, etc. Or a quick check under the passenger-side footwell would allow you to see what your actual part numbers are....


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I do have an early 05 as I don't have the rollback center console. Vid to come in the next few days as long as there is no rain which is forecasted for when I get back home.
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Old Apr 27, 2013 | 01:36 AM
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My car is weird too, sometimes it will bog down after about 2 seconds, and other times they'll spin until it runs out of gas. I have a 2003 though, so who knows. It has only bogged down in S automatic. Never in S manual, or straight M manual. Haven't done but maybe two brake stands in comfort and they roasted for a while before I let off.
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