We should all form a company and pay for a vendor spot

 

Was wondering the same thing brotha.

 

So RBJ and PAS , are the two users working on TT kit.
OP , blackbenzz, Gadget, I forgot the user but the one who had his engine blown, that CLS55 modified which has a thread are the ones with Weistec setup and only 1 of them is running fine the user Gadget I suppose

The problem in all the cases is "tuning" , correct?

 

My CLS55 with it is running fine. In fact, I'm currently working with Weistec to make a bit more aggressive tune. AFRs, IAT's, timing all look great...albeit with some meth, but most big HP stock blower guys use it too. Last I spoke with Gadget, he said his was screaming too.

BoostALot's will run too. He just needs a tweaked tune for his. Apparently Wiestec has 2 or 3 (a handful) of tunes for the more common setups. It would seem logical to me that custom-configs will have to start with a base map that gets it running, then log/dyno and tune from there. I don't think they anyone will be able to tune just from a mods list, unless they've done it before--just too many variables.

When you go outside of "the box" and become a pioneer, time/patience is required. (which all of us have little of). In the computer/software game, software is always trying to catch up with the hardware advancements. I think we have the same issue here: the hardware is VERY sweet, but the software (tunes) need to be developed/optimized for various setups. It'll come...look how much it's advanced for the 113 in the past several years.

 

Is it normal to gush coolant from the coolant reservoir during a 1/4 mile pass? Why have we not heard of any more 1/4 mile passes?

I know all about being a pioneer and producing results. I was developing/running parts a long time ago and running 1/4 mile times to back it up. Running mid tens three years ago on pump gas and stock axles was pretty good for the time. I just got out of racing for a while. There are limits to how much one can use that as an excuse.

 

Def not normal.

 

Def not normal.

 

It's good to hear at least one running well but I can't get why you also seemed to have issues when you bolted to a stock car, after all that's how they promote it to use their words "the most efficient, reliable and powerful upgrade ever available" so far I have not seen any of the cars hit anyone of those.

Don't get me wrong Gadgets runs were impressive but others have gone faster, the dyno numbers are great but I have seen higher from modified 55's with the stock blower. Reliable and efficient

 

THe fact that you need to spray meth pretty much proves the hardware they sent is not up to the task. Your AIT's look good, but so does everyones when they use meth. As far as tuning goes if we don't count Ahmad's car which is a special case, why can't Chris get a tune from them? I like how we've been told they won't release something until it's perfect and completely ready to go, when the facts seem to show otherwise, I should stop now before Jcart comes on and tells me how great they are.

 

Don't crucify the messenger here. I'm just reporting my own successes and can't answer for Chris, Ahmad, Gadget, Weistec or anyone other than myself.

As for spraying meth, I don't think I have to after installing a trunk tank. I just choose to in order to keep the temps as low as possible. Due to my long history of dealing with forced-induction road-racing cars (no, this isn't one) anything I can do to make things cooler is a HUGE benefit in many ways. I may even add a second nozzle.

It's not a big surprise that I'd run meth...most of the other big HP cars do it too, whether they admit it or not. EVO's do, Mustang's do, Supra's do, BMW's, etc. etc. It's the first car I've ever played with it on and I'm so happy with it, I'm gonna put it on my work vehicle.

AS for JR Cart defending Weistec, I don't know him if I'd bump into him, but from what I can see, his car kinda kicks butt...see any of those videos? I kinda appreciate it, because his car's performance is sorta what I'm seeking: rolling power, third gear stupid, and top-end performance that continues to pull. That's exactly what my car does, and it's what I want. If 1/4 mile times is all you're looking for, a stock blower may well be better for you.

 

Please don't take anything I'm saying personally, it's not meant to be. I'd like t see a full run without meth so we can see how the engine/SC kit is doing on it's own. Hennessey makes some really fast cars too and they don't have any problem ripping off their customers, my point isn't that I think Weistec is ripping off their customers, it's that making fast cars and supporting your customers have nothing to do with each other. Did Weistec pay for the ads you had to do to the car to get it to work properly? I'm talking about the trunk tank at a minimum, but until I see someone make a full run without meth I think it needs that too. I hope you're having a great 4th!

 

Sorry to continue the OT rant but I am confused about some things.
Please understand I am not a fan boy or a slammer, just trying to shift through a ton of info on these threads. I have respect for ALL parties involved.

FIRST, is the following correct??:

The OP, while frustrated about some timing/response issues with Weistec, understands the situation and is trying to be patient.

BB got into a pissing match regarding tuning....I will leave it at that. I get that both parties have valid points. Going up against a Vendor on a paid forum is usually a losing battle.

One engine let go, but there seems to be some fairly solid evidence and discussion that leads to the "pay to play" result.

Gadgets car is running solid...2 or so tenths away from WR with just a blower swap, headers and TB. I do not believe he had any cooling mods for the intial 10.7 run.

Mindbends car is also solid now with their basic 82TB kit, headers and meth injection solely for cooling. No 1/4 post on that ride yet.

For those who have more extensive mods than simple headers their has been some difficulty and delays getting custom tunes from Weistec.

Clearly the Weistec set up requires additional cooling to post consistent, back to back 10 second runs. I am sure if you wanted an efficient, lower boost tune that
would keep the car in the mid 11 sec range, with simple cooling mods (split circuit, under hood res, larger HE) and a street tire set up this could be accomplished with ease on this set up.

The E55's Achilles heel has and always will be cooling. It is impossible to get these things into the 10's without some serious cooling upgrades. It should be clear to everyone by now that there are many different set ups that are hitting big traps with varying headers, pulleys, head work and tuning...but ALL of them have at least one or more big boy cooling mods (trunk tank, water injection, meth, KC).

So my question to those that feel Weistec let us down...
What do they need to do now or in the future to satisfy you?

Is it that you thought this kit was going to be all you needed to run 10's?

Again, not criticizing...just opening discussion.

I get that some have been upset by lack of a quick and appropriate response..But can we please leave those comments to those that ACTUALLY BOUGHT PRODUCT from Weistec, please.

What I am really curious about is the anger and slamming coming from those that are going on second hand info and...dare i say...gossip. Hints and winks of over flowing cooling and other issues outside of public knowledge do not help further the boards education about our cars or this kit.

What the F am I missing???

Good luck to all!

Brian

 

Brian, You Should Know Better Than To Think I Would Post Gossip. Gadget Ran At The Track Rental And Then The Following Weekend With My Wheels And Tires. I Was Trying To Help Him And Weistec Run Better Times. I Know Exactly What Occurred

I Am Not Allowed To Post My Side Of The Story But I Assure You Alot Has Been Left Out By Weistec That Would Set The Story Straight.

 

Ahmad as you are one of the members who has first hand knowledge of Weistec nothing you posted I took as gossip. I apologize if you took it that way.

I do understand how committed you are to the members here and the growth of the AMG platform. A true pioneer.

I didn't comment much about your situation because I understand you are not being allowed to post and I have ZERO first hand knowledge of what transpired.

I am not taking sides just trying figure out where some of the hate is coming from with those that haven't dealt with ten directly.

 

Per your request: My car continues to run well (knock on wood) and Weistec is responsive to my questions and needs.

As for a request that I have as am owner, which apparently is in the works, is that the air filter can NOT sit on top of the headers and, in my opinion, is a critical yet minor-to-fix issue. I moved mine down to where the stock system's air tubes hook-up, with little measurable difference. It needs to be isolated/removed from the under-hood temps, shielded, and take in fresh/cool air. I've measured intake temps before the throttle body that are way above ambient and continue to increase and engine heat soaks. Is this a deal-breaker?? Not for me.

After head-scratching for a while, the only feasible way to do it properly is to relocate the OE coolant reservoir and put it there. Weistec is aware of this as we've discussed it. They'll resolve it, I'm sure and this will make a WORLD of difference.

It's the culmination of a lot of small details that allow success. Bolt on ANY system at adds 150+HP and throw caution to the wind and you'll be paying the piper sooner or later. I personally witnessed AT LEAST .5 richer AFR just by changing my fuel filter assembly. (well before the MB recommended interval). Can you gamble by not doing it? Sure, but when you nuke your motor, who's fault is it? MB designed margin into the system and when you turn up the wick, you remove/lessen the margin with each HP added.

It's well known that high IAT's are the kiss of death to performance and at extremes, ever motors. Do I have to run meth? ...doubtful for what I am doing, but should I? Hell yes! The effort/cost:benefit ratio is off the charts for me: lower temps, higher octane, richer AFR. Am I gonna log a run w/o it? NO I AM NOT. That's like asking me to remove my insurance coverage on the car for a day just for the fun of it. Why would I?? I added it to give the extra margin, I like it.

The craftsmanship of the unit is awesome, hardware well thought out and the tune works. I doubt burping coolant has anything to do with a flaw in the system, but rather a mechanical deficiency and/or running too hot. The same can happen with the OEM blower.

Again, don't crucify the messenger...I'm happy with my system and will continue to dial it in by making everything work in harmony toward a single goal of RELIABLE POWER.

NECESSARY DISCLAIMER: I never even KNEW about Weistec before a few months ago, paid retail price for the system, installed it myself, etc. I don't like them any more or less than dudes having problems and would probably help them with their own projects if they were closer. I'm an advocate of the system since I think it's the next logical step for the platform and with a little effort and patience, I think it will help users see big/reliable power. I think a modified air intake system will make all the difference in the world.

 

Thanks Mindbend. Great info!

 

WorthTheWait, it's my pleasure. You're close enough that we should hook-up and you can see for yourself!

Of course, you'll have to trek north...that damned, evil NoVA traffic headed to/from the beach this time of year is NO JOKE!!

 

No kidding. Took us almost 7 hours to get home from The beach last Sunday. We stayed home this weekend lol. I wasn't sitting thru that again this weekend.

 

You read my mind!

 

Update: I was trying to make this happen for a little while, and did just that last week. I'm shifting the project to a parallel platform which will be getting all the parts I have collected for the E55 and then some

 

Can't wait to see this bad boy transform

 

Oh I promise, this will be quick. I've go a whole living room full of stuff locked and loaded for this thing already, I was just holding back on the E for a few reasons. The only variable is up to you and RBJ... Dazzle me with a functional TT setup and I'll be on that train faster than you can say "blowersforsaleonEbay"

 

You got a cls now

 

Yes sir! Its Steve's (mindbend) old car from Pennsylvania. We made the trip down the coast last week.. I wish we had more time to take the scenic route.
Aside from being the exact car i was looking for when I bought my E, it already had some of the hardware I have so now theres extra parts to improve upon with

Hit me up if yall ever come to Orlando I'd like to see that car of yours in person

 

Is it fast?