Hello MB Members:

I noticed that some of you 63 biturbo guys previously owned or currently own a 2009-2013 CTS-V and now own a W212 biturbo.
1.*In your best analysis what are the major driving differences between the two?*
2. Was the E63 significantly faster than your V when it was stock? How much faster is your car now with the tune compared to your V?*
3. What will I need to do to my V to so that it can run with a stock E63 and F10 M5 (besides buying a M157 motor lol)?*
4. What kind of mods can I do to make it run with a tuned E63?

I ask all these questions because I was targeting a CLS63, but I found it difficult to justify right now while saving to purchase a new home and starting a new business.*As a result I bought a used V2. The car feels a little faster than my E55 when it was stock and a little slower than my E55 when it was 180mm pulley only. It also feels slower than when my car when was stage 3 (obviously) before I sold it. I bought the V because of the handling and mod potential, but before I start my mods I figure I get the perspective of you guys who have experiences with both.

Thanks,
Larry * *

 

Ok well I came out if 11 v sedan into my 12 e63.

The v is faster stock and handles significantly better than the e. my v was lowered on d3 sport and I had 20"s. loved driving the v except for the constant squeaks, rattles, crappy bt, navi. The recaro's were nice for short spirited drives but hurt like crazy on drives more than 45 mins

My 63 is tuned now and much faster than the v. I did no engine mods on the v except a bb exhaust which I took off after a month later. A upper and lower pulley and tune and the car is a beast. Add some lt and got a monster


The e63 overall is a more refined car. More solid, quieter and more comfortable. My second e63 w211 and w212 and with every car I own I know there will always some model in my garage. You get the both of best worlds for me. A really fast 4 door Mercedes

 

Thanks drop997stop,

I appreciate your honest review of both cars. I hear you with the squeaks and rattles. Every now and then my car makes a rubbing noise or clicking noise when turning left or right from a low speed. Because of that I've taken the car to twice since I bought the car (Sept 2012) to see if I could get it fixed under warranty and they told me it was nothing wrong and it's the way all CTS-Vs operate. I plan to take my car into the dealership one more time soon to demonstrate the small issue. Besides that the car has performed flawlessly and performs great! I know the interior lacks the richness of a Ebenz/5bimmer/XFJag, but the interior is still very nicely appointed and feels sporty and modern.

In terms of performance...your assessment is exactly what I was thinking. The V2 is fast, but would get murdered by a tuned E63, CLS63, etc. I would need to upgrade my pulleys, tune, intake, injector, HE to compete. It's crazy I would need all that just to compete with a car that only needs a tune own 95% of cars on the road lol.

So is this about accurate? I've never driven a Biturbo 63 or F10, so I'm basing my guesstimate based on forums, car reviews, dynos, and drag strip performances.

Strightline performance only (Generally speaking best 2 out 3 with drivers being equal)

Stock
V2=E63 biturbo non PP<F10 M5
V2<E63 biturbo pp=F10 M5

I will not get into modded vs modded because there are to many variables to consider and all of these cars can be modded/tuned close or slightly over 600rwhp (dynojet) for less than $3000.00.

 

I think the E63 with Performance Package & LSD handles slightly better than the V2.
I never drove a standard E63, but I imagine they don't hqandle as good with softer shocks and no LSD, making them unable to compete with a V2.

If you want a killer V2, get the LS9 Supercharger and supporting mods.
Going from the stock TVS 1800 to the LS9 TVS 2300 is a huge power bump.
Also, get a big *** oil cooler upgrade as LS engines have oil temp issues.
I would think you can handle E63's after those upgrades.

 

Thanks for your response. I am thinking about going with an upper and lower pulley set up with all the supporting mods like injectors and intake to yield a fraction of the performance that is evident is this video. I will aim to avoid heads and cams packages and headers for as I can in an effort to remain stealth. This package should get me around 610-625 rwhp and tq

 

I am gone to let the builder/Shop owner of this car in Jersey build my car.

 

i see that car every morning in the parking garage on murray st in manhattan, i want to leave a letter on his car i want to race him

 

You sure this is the same car because the owner owns a speed shop in central Jersey? What kind of mods do you have on your bi-turbo?

 

positive! tunetime performance in new jersey, seen all the videos same license plate.

my mods are eurocharged tune, downpipes, kn drop in filters. this ctsv is faster i believe but i want to do a roll race and see how i compare. ive raced heavily modded Z06's and i know how stack up against them, curious about the CTSV

 

Your right dude! That's the one! It sounds like you got a sweet ride there. I would pay money to see you to race. What kind of rwhp& tq are you putting out on a dynojet and what is your mph trap speed in the 1/4 mile. Also, did you see that thread about Weistec releasing upgraded turbos for the M157 that get the power to around 730 + at the wheels with like tq. I can't imagine that kind of upgrade on the new all wheel drive 63's. Jesus Christ that car will rival Alpha GTRs.

 

Oh how did you stack up against modified ZO6s?

 

I ran a Vette Doctors built Z06 procharged built motor and all the supporting mods, we did run from 50mph to 188mph before I let off.. results where I got the jump he quickly evened it out then started putting lengths on me, at 188mph before i let off he was 4 lengths ahead! Which i dont think is so bad being that my car is heavier with a lot less power.

The ctsv should be a good run. I'm dyoning my car wed I'm hoping to make atleast 620whp using race gas

 

Nice time for upgraded turbos

 

I've owned a heavily modded GTR and there amazing machines, I do agree that is GTR territory especially highway runs!

 

That is a very strong car you have there. Very strong indeed.

 

I dont think you have to do much at all! Tune a pulley upgrade to blow away a stock E63biturbo. A modded biturbo youll need a cam etc

 

Oh okay. That's pretty good then. You ever run a F10 M5? If so, how do they compare to the E63?

 

[QUOTE=Hotsoss;5522341]Oh okay. That's pretty good then. You ever run a F10 M5? If so, how do they compare

I've only raced my buddies F10 M5 twice, first run he was stock I was tuned that was a joke second run he was tuned I had a tune and few other mods, I put 3 lengths on him

 

Those Ctsv's are no joke modded! Tom I'm leaving a note on this dudes windshield asking him to do a friendly run!!

 

Oh okay. That sounds about what I was thinking concerning the F10.

Keep me posted if he accepts your offer. I don't know him all that well to know if he'll run you on the street, but I know he would run you at ATCO.

 

Wow this car is moving.

 

So what that car just has the LS9 2.3l supercharger upgrade with what I assume aggressive pullies and upgraded injectors?

 

No need to respond. By blower only it means without the use of nitrous.