kponti

Impressive gains! I bet the area under the curve will be even nicer. I am hoping to do this or a bit more with my turboback setup and similar tune as yours

Ralcbah

I'm not sure what was modified in the software, actually. I did tell them which mods (filters, catless pipes) I was adding, however.

Have yet to drive it, but will pick it up tomorrow morning. Looking forward to it!

gaspam

where was it tuned at?

Ralcbah

Round 1 was at Renntech's facility. Round 2 via Titan Motorsports in Orlando (great folks). They installed my pipes, spoiler, and handled the ecu pull/ship/reinstall.

gaspam

nice pick up from regular downpipes.... i have a pair i am installing that i got from speedriven (gonna try and make a diy for the forum) and will then take my car to renntech as they are about 45 min form me... hoping to be around the 615-630 awhp range

Ralcbah

For sure. Excited to experience it. A diy will be great...good idea. Looks like you'll hit those numbers. Fun stuff!

Ralcbah

Dyno graph overlay (pre downpipes / post dp's + retune)

NOTE: This was not the best baseline run; we had one do 586 awhp. Unfortunately, I don't have that graph at the moment. So, approximately a 35 awhp peak gain. Will run it again on the dyno to grab torque numbers; just curious.

Car feels fantastic, and certainly more powerful. Really impressed by the difference made here. Sounds fantastic too...turbo sounds for sure, and quite nice when cruising (similar to stock), but at WOT it's a different animal. Good stuff.

gaspam

nice! looks like in some rpm areas you are picking up ~60 awhp over baseline so definitely non-turbo back downpipes are making good power ( more than i would of expected) our cats must be pretty restrictive

efiftyfizzle

Which downpipes did you go with?

AMGANT157

522WHP AND 665WTQ on an AWD MUSTANG DYNO
2012 CLS63 PP RWD
KLEEMANN DOWNPIPES
X PIPE
I believe I didn't have my BMC filters in for the dyno tune. I know stupid of me...

brutus_tx

Here's my dyno plot...

2014 E63S running EuroCharged Flex Fuel E50 tune on a otherwise stock platform including plugs, injectors, intake and exhaust... stock TCU tune - for now.
Dyno run on a DynoJet AWD Dynomometer at Eurocharged Houston shop. E50 blend in the tank.

680 awhp and 780 awtq
10.9 at 130 in the quarter

Jonny English

MSL Birmingham UK map on a 2014 E63, .done in Nov 2019
575bhp stock 593ft lbs torque..
After map 666bhp 775ft lbs torque using 18% loss

Sebastian Bird

2014 E63 RWD Eurocharged E85 Flex Fuel tune. 725rwhp/983nm torque.
6.2secs 100-200kph

billvp218

I'm trying to decipher the French listed above to put it in a U.S. comparative number.

What is "puissance moteur" vs. "puissance roues" ... if bhp vs vhp, they think there is only 27hp lost due to drivetrain?
Is the 725whp using the PS (metric hp) measurement? So perhaps 714whp comparable to those in the U.S.? Then it looks like a correction factor is shown for the bhp, but not whp? Kind of weird, but applying that to the 714whp moves it 708 whp. I'm not sure if I'm doing that all correctly since I'm unfamiliar with French. Still impressive regardless.

The dragy still shows an older hp measurement, btw, although shows the e85 tune listed.

Sebastian Bird

Yes I think your right in the fact that the 724 ps equivalent to 714 rwhp. I've since put a UDP spacer on which im guessing has taken it back up a bit now.

Yes I put it on two dynos I had problems on the first, I didn't realise the car was meant to be put into Dyno mode neither did the guy running the Dyno. Hence why we only made 680rwhp before the ECU threw a load of codes and had a wobble.

MBHR

(brutus_tx) On 04/29/2020, you posted a graph on the thread titled "Eurocharged E85 Tuning!" that stated you ran 11.07 @ 128.71 on the E50 tune. I guess you accomplished your goal of getting to the 10's hitting 10.9 at 130 in the quarter?!? Not sure why your graph of yesterday does't show this awesome achievement for the stock platform but Congrats nonetheless!! If those were just guess stats or rounding, then I hope you can get those 10's, I too want that number!!

brutus_tx

If referring to this spreadsheet...



This was consolidated from the draggy site so that the members of the flex tune users forum can follow each others progress on draggy... I don't have any draggy runs better than an 11.07... so that's what I posted.
None of my race track numbers are counted in this spreadsheet, nor are any of the other users currently.

Marine 1

I guess we have a represent from the msm to point out the obvious. What a joke I guess he wasn't acquainted with none of your time slips. Doing the platform a extended service with all of the labor and time you have poured in here without a single dime of compensation.

MBHR

Again, just trying to understand all this... In this post dated 04/03/2020 you listed a 10.9 @ 130 and that number you wrote appeared as though it was your number?!!. If you got this number from the E50, congrats like I said!! To get into the 10's like most of us want to be is incredible for this tune on a stock car!! It certainly would be the tune I might consider...E50 over the E85. I know they are close according to your graph (draggy stats), but the numbers seem slightly better from looking at the graph for the E50.

I understand you have put some time into making the spreadsheet and thank you for the info; it is more than helpful! As you know, I have put some work into this as well and cannot thank you enough for your part which has helped show much of the similarities and differences of the tune.

For the record, I don't use MSM as someone else trying to take a smack-mouth pop-shot commented...and no Jeffrey E didn't kill himself either! <<LOL

PS I am going to grab this tune and probably the E85 version. I have ordered a draggy, scheduled a dyno for a few weeks out and will put my car back to stock for this tune. I will plan to post the numbers as soon as possible including the track once it reopens from Covid-19 issues.

brutus_tx

My best track time was 10.97@129.6, unfortunately I don't have that time slip. That number is burned in my memory though... I have many multiple time slips in the 11.0's but none of those crossed the magical boundary. Convenient I know.
Did I round down on the time and round up on the speed? Sure... ya got me.

The closest time slip I can present is my 11.05, or 8 hundreths slower than my best time.

Besides my "unsupported" claim... we have two other people who also broke into the 10's with the exact same tune as mine... their slips and draggy runs are available as well.
Marine_1, listed in the spreadsheet, has a 10.98 available for viewing as a verified time on draggy... look to his runs for substantiated claims.

Either accept it as fact, or not. I stand by my time. It will be short lived though once I get TCU tuned... so this all will be a moot point.

MBHR

brutus_tx, you mistake my digging down on the numbers and overall data concerning the E50/E85 tune. I am not concerned with trying to catch you in misrepresentation of data, rather than trying to get to the bottom line of the data so I can make a educated decision to spend $2700 on this tune as it would be my fourth tune all in and it gets costly when you are trying to get every tenth of a second, hp/tq out of these cars. So this isn’t a “gotcha” thing at all!!! I hope you can come to understand my position here and know that like your great success reaching that coveted number in the 10’s I too want to achieve it at the most cost effective way albeit expensive no matter what road one takes to the success of their cars greatest recorded achievement.

Again, thanks for your time and consideration in all this and congrats once more on achieving the 10’s.

brutus_tx

I don't know what to tell you then, or what else I can present to help quantify the results. If the spreadsheet with the dyno runs tells you anything it should be the following....

1. the tune is repeatable across different geographic regions and DA's (we have the entire US represented in these times, with France there for good measure)
2. regardless of tires used... on an upprepped surface, the cars all react near enough the same - making me question whether tires truly are that important in an AWD car on the street, RWD there is NO DOUBT its needed
3. whether running the E50 tune or the E85 tune, the trap speeds are all very consistent,
4. whether running the E50 or E85 tune, we all seem to have gravitated to running E50 in our tanks, probably because of added benefit lubricants within the gas bring to the table (that's my thinking anyway)
5. there is a huge variability in dyno numbers telling us what we all know... they are inaccurate and not a true metric of performance. The trap speeds tell me they are all similar HP
6. whats not in this spreadsheet is the mod list for each car... they are as varied as the users themselves - which also makes me question the performance improvements they bring to the table. I'm stock and as competitive as others with the entire kitchen sink in add on bits on their car

At the end of the day, I've tried to be as transparent as possible to help people make a learned decision on the tune.
Even EC are trying to be as transparent as possible by providing the HPT software and dongle with the purchase of this software, so you, the end client, can monitor you own performance. What other tuner is doing that? They obviously are standing behind the product. With HPT you get to converse one on one with Jerry so he can tweak your tune post purchase.
Finally, we have a flex fuel users forum on WhatsApp that I created for people with the tune as a space to interact with other users to share ideas and experiences with their tune.

To the best of my knowledge, there is not one tune out there that I can think off that provides this high an entry level of performance with just a tune.... without the need for supporting hardware....

Buy it, or don'y buy it. I cannot think of any tune out there that has had the same level of scrutiny by myself and others. I make ZERO money off the sale of a EC Flex Tune.
I promote it because it works, and I feel that my fellow enthusiasts should have access to a tune that will work for them.

BCP

@MBHR we look forward to seeing the dyno results and/or dragy passes of YOUR car. That way we have actual numbers representative of your car to compare vice comparing a tuner’s claimed power levels to actual performance and dyno numbers. The decision of what to buy for your car is yours to make, we can only offer insight, not try to convince you one way or the other.

maxusa

Just want to chime in and say that I follow the thread with great interest. The E85 tune is a consideration. Everyone's input is appreciated and adds up to solid understanding/expectation. What a great resource supported by data. Folks like me rely on early adopters to learn and make informed decisions. @MBHR deserves a shout-out for being persistent and polite, and folks with the E85 many more for patience and sharing the details.

MBHR

So here is my first attempt at this dragy device. I am hoping someone can tell me if these are good numbers based on the slope and DA etc. all of which I know little about as it relates to the numbers. I honestly do not not know which is better or worse...which it optimal or a goal?? The 1/4 time times from pic 1 to pic 2 seem better but not sure why exactly. Perhaps someone could help to better explain this a little for me. Although the temp on dragy said 46F on one and 50F on the other, my car was registering a different number. 52F on one and second pass (11.48 1/4) was 58F. As for mods... I have UPD spacers and high flow air filters, catlesss mid pipes (non turbo back) and no mufflers. In additional I am running one-step colder spark plugs. *** All these numbers from dragy are on 93 and not race gas 100. I will do a pass or two with race gas 100, but need to run through the 93. I am hoping to do that in a day or two but the weather is supposed to rain this week so I am not sure when I can. I guess more to follow on the race gas 100 dragy pass.