M6 runs 10.3 on stock turbos
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you're not telling the full story about that guy that just ran 133 mph on stock turbos ... it's from Percision tuning in New Jersey and from what I understand, previously he was running 129 on stock turbo but now they tuned it for meth and went to 133mph trap, so it's not exactly only stock turbos and a tune , it's a custom tune that's advancing the timing much more than a regular tune only would,which would be no different then if you wanted to get a custom tune for running race gas all the time , which any tuner can do for you, but good luck going on a road trip without trunks full of gas cans full of race gas cause you're not gonna find any race gas gas stations on the highway LOL
some people don't want to have to run meth all the time because if you run out you're screwed since you're tuned for it like in the case of running 133 mph. Previously that car did have meth but he was only using it for cooling and not tuned for it so it's no problem at that case if he runs out ... but now that he's tuned for meth it's a problem if he runs out .... my Audi b5 s4 was tuned for meth and it was great as long as I stayed in my city close to my house where I had extra cans of meth in the garage and could refill my meth injection tank, but I could never take my car on road trips without taking a ton of premixed meth water canisters in my trunk .... so that's not really a daily driver car anymore, whereas if you get upgraded turbos you can still go on road trips and fill up with regular gas and still trap way faster
some people don't want to have to run meth all the time because if you run out you're screwed since you're tuned for it like in the case of running 133 mph. Previously that car did have meth but he was only using it for cooling and not tuned for it so it's no problem at that case if he runs out ... but now that he's tuned for meth it's a problem if he runs out .... my Audi b5 s4 was tuned for meth and it was great as long as I stayed in my city close to my house where I had extra cans of meth in the garage and could refill my meth injection tank, but I could never take my car on road trips without taking a ton of premixed meth water canisters in my trunk .... so that's not really a daily driver car anymore, whereas if you get upgraded turbos you can still go on road trips and fill up with regular gas and still trap way faster
What im really trying to get to the bottom of is when both M5 and e63s are modded with normal ECU tune on PUMP gas on STOCK turbos where the full drivability/reliability is working for BOTH cars, well then which one is doing better on traps and ET? Would you say under these conditions that BMW s63Tu still has the power advantage over the m157?
from what I'm reading while it seems like s63tu has the larger turbo advantage, it needs race or meth injection to actually use its full potential, but on pump gas it's only running like 80% of its full power. With e63s on pump it already seems to be almost at ful power potential minus the torque limits. So as a daily driver street car setup (street tires, normal everyday gas) I really am curious which one is the faster/better engine here?
i fully agreee once both are trying to be on full "race car" setup, forget it for now because m157 just won't keep up with s63tu in this situation. But that's very different than what most owners of both would be driving around with on the street as daily driver cars. So that's a different story imo.
gaspam, what would be your opinion about the above comparison?
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weistec just came out with a meth kit / ASV that supposedly will give you 30-50 hp without tuning and up to a 100 hp with tuning ... wonder how long it is before people on here start calling their kit out and saying it sucks and is gay and all sorts of similar things
.... now you may say "well why doesnt weistec come out with dyno charts"... lol well , every time they do that people start saying " oh well i dont believe the dyno charts provided by vendors as they cooked the numbers" , but then no one on here will buy a kit without someone else doing it first and posting independent dynos.... lol lose lose situation for the tuners on this board
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no one said anything about off the shelf tunes or downpipes.... "kits" are what is being talked about... you know he's talking about turbo kits, dont play dumb
that's the funny thing... people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune because its cheaper and "safer" and someone is more likely to be the first to try it, but once it gets past a few grand all the sudden no one wants to accept the tuner's dyno numbers and wants someone else to go first and then complains that there are no customer dyno's
that's why BMW's are faster, because the guys over on bimmerboost are like "there is a new kit out? bro I'll get it and test it out!"... mean while on mbworld "new kit out? its too expensive! you need colder spark plugs/tuner said i dont/ tuner is stupid then.... any results yet asides from vendor's results? will this affect my warranty? can the dealer detect it? ..will it give me cancer?... its not worth it until the TCU torque limitations are removed! even with 1500 whp you're still not going to run a 60ft better than 1.6 with the tcu....gaspam is a farthead, no, kponti is a stupidhead... nuh uh, you are ! ... forum_memberX is a space rocket super science engineer and says forum_memberY is wrong because he is not an engineer".....etc etc etc lol
that's the funny thing... people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune because its cheaper and "safer" and someone is more likely to be the first to try it, but once it gets past a few grand all the sudden no one wants to accept the tuner's dyno numbers and wants someone else to go first and then complains that there are no customer dyno's
that's why BMW's are faster, because the guys over on bimmerboost are like "there is a new kit out? bro I'll get it and test it out!"... mean while on mbworld "new kit out? its too expensive! you need colder spark plugs/tuner said i dont/ tuner is stupid then.... any results yet asides from vendor's results? will this affect my warranty? can the dealer detect it? ..will it give me cancer?... its not worth it until the TCU torque limitations are removed! even with 1500 whp you're still not going to run a 60ft better than 1.6 with the tcu....gaspam is a farthead, no, kponti is a stupidhead... nuh uh, you are ! ... forum_memberX is a space rocket super science engineer and says forum_memberY is wrong because he is not an engineer".....etc etc etc lol
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thats the plan.... still waiting on your dyno numbers for your weistec clone turbo back downpipes though
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I do have to say though, why do people believe the M157 with a tune is so much faster than the M5/6 with tune??? I do not seem to see or follow the trend much anywhere online except MBworld.org???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTlfDqbTyK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzMX93utwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTlfDqbTyK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzMX93utwk
i never heard of "gorilla tuning" being used here on the amg. Is this considered a strong tune for the m157, would a tune from renntech or EC do better against the M in this video?
the m6 literally humiliated the e63 here. It's truly sad to watch.
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so is this the way a highway race would play out for us today? Are these just simple pump gas tunes on both?
i never heard of "gorilla tuning" being used here on the amg. Is this considered a strong tune for the m157, would a tune from renntech or EC do better against the M in this video?
the m6 literally humiliated the e63 here. It's truly sad to watch.
i never heard of "gorilla tuning" being used here on the amg. Is this considered a strong tune for the m157, would a tune from renntech or EC do better against the M in this video?
the m6 literally humiliated the e63 here. It's truly sad to watch.
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this is exactly why I hate comparing cars when either one has to run meth. Once it takes daily drivability out of the car I say who cares.
What im really trying to get to the bottom of is when both M5 and e63s are modded with normal ECU tune on PUMP gas on STOCK turbos where the full drivability/reliability is working for BOTH cars, well then which one is doing better on traps and ET? Would you say under these conditions that BMW s63Tu still has the power advantage over the m157?
from what I'm reading while it seems like s63tu has the larger turbo advantage, it needs race or meth injection to actually use its full potential, but on pump gas it's only running like 80% of its full power. With e63s on pump it already seems to be almost at ful power potential minus the torque limits. So as a daily driver street car setup (street tires, normal everyday gas) I really am curious which one is the faster/better engine here?
i fully agreee once both are trying to be on full "race car" setup, forget it for now because m157 just won't keep up with s63tu in this situation. But that's very different than what most owners of both would be driving around with on the street as daily driver cars. So that's a different story
What im really trying to get to the bottom of is when both M5 and e63s are modded with normal ECU tune on PUMP gas on STOCK turbos where the full drivability/reliability is working for BOTH cars, well then which one is doing better on traps and ET? Would you say under these conditions that BMW s63Tu still has the power advantage over the m157?
from what I'm reading while it seems like s63tu has the larger turbo advantage, it needs race or meth injection to actually use its full potential, but on pump gas it's only running like 80% of its full power. With e63s on pump it already seems to be almost at ful power potential minus the torque limits. So as a daily driver street car setup (street tires, normal everyday gas) I really am curious which one is the faster/better engine here?
i fully agreee once both are trying to be on full "race car" setup, forget it for now because m157 just won't keep up with s63tu in this situation. But that's very different than what most owners of both would be driving around with on the street as daily driver cars. So that's a different story
Is this way off the mark or accurate?
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that's vasily's car when he was on gorilla tuning and from what i read they did not perform well as promised so he went to renntech turbo kit...eventually he went to GAD custom build and made crazy power, but here he is running a M6 stage 2+ again, but on the renntech kit with much better results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gf56xbt5x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gf56xbt5x4
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are you going to pull up to them at the next light and tell them it doesnt count because you're not equally modded? http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-26224.html
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against AWD m157 of course. Im sure RWD from the roll would have a good chance beating or staying equal with it...
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this is the fastest s63tu tune/ downpipes/intake on stock turbos, without meth on street tires so basically what you are asking about... 127 mph trap.... but really doesnt matter, when someone more aggressively setup, on the street beats you are you going to pull up to them at the next light and tell them it doesnt count because you're not equally modded?
http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-26224.html
are you going to pull up to them at the next light and tell them it doesnt count because you're not equally modded? http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-26224.html
say if we were equally modded it could of been the opposite outcome.
I wouldn't literally "say" it but certainly would think that.
But either way, I already know on more of a "race car" setup the M is faster but on street setup where having s63tu tuned more aggressively than 127 traps takes the practicality/reliability out of the car it totally wouldn't bother me that I lost in that scenenario so I'd have nothing to think or say honestly.
you can always tell any s63tu guy that he's lucky your not modded like mr vasily's e63s LOL
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this is the fastest s63tu tune/ downpipes/intake on stock turbos, without meth on street tires so basically what you are asking about... 127 mph trap.... but really doesnt matter, when someone more aggressively setup, on the street beats you are you going to pull up to them at the next light and tell them it doesnt count because you're not equally modded?
http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-26224.html
are you going to pull up to them at the next light and tell them it doesnt count because you're not equally modded? http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-26224.html
My F10 M5 had BMS piggy, AMS catted downpipes, Agency Power C/F intake and Supersprint mufflers and trapped about 126mph in 500-1K' DA+. I suspect the full decat with much more aggressive tuning are the ones hitting around 130mph.
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I own both. My e63s has been gathering dust since I got my m5 non cp. Granted this is a rwd vs awd comparison, but I still find the m5 to put out more power with a basic jb4 map 1 vs a rebellion piggyback.
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Have you done any testing with the Rebellion piggyback? I saw a member here up in Canada running some decent 127+mph traps in nice -DA conditions with it drop in filters and mufflers.
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e63 4matic with tune only is better 126-128 without even needing downpipes.
These reallly high trap s63tu must be very aggressively tuned/modded.
I do really wonder how long an s63tu will last without major problems when being used as a daily driver boosted to 30 psi on stock turbos.
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no one said anything about off the shelf tunes or downpipes.... "kits" are what is being talked about... you know he's talking about turbo kits, dont play dumb
that's the funny thing... people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune because its cheaper and "safer" and someone is more likely to be the first to try it, but once it gets past a few grand all the sudden no one wants to accept the tuner's dyno numbers and wants someone else to go first and then complains that there are no customer dyno's
that's why BMW's are faster, because the guys over on bimmerboost are like "there is a new kit out? bro I'll get it and test it out!"... mean while on mbworld "new kit out? its too expensive! you need colder spark plugs/tuner said i dont/ tuner is stupid then.... any results yet asides from vendor's results? will this affect my warranty? can the dealer detect it? ..will it give me cancer?... its not worth it until the TCU torque limitations are removed! even with 1500 whp you're still not going to run a 60ft better than 1.6 with the tcu....gaspam is a farthead, no, kponti is a stupidhead... nuh uh, you are ! ... forum_memberX is a space rocket super science engineer and says forum_memberY is wrong because he is not an engineer".....etc etc etc lol
that's the funny thing... people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune because its cheaper and "safer" and someone is more likely to be the first to try it, but once it gets past a few grand all the sudden no one wants to accept the tuner's dyno numbers and wants someone else to go first and then complains that there are no customer dyno's
that's why BMW's are faster, because the guys over on bimmerboost are like "there is a new kit out? bro I'll get it and test it out!"... mean while on mbworld "new kit out? its too expensive! you need colder spark plugs/tuner said i dont/ tuner is stupid then.... any results yet asides from vendor's results? will this affect my warranty? can the dealer detect it? ..will it give me cancer?... its not worth it until the TCU torque limitations are removed! even with 1500 whp you're still not going to run a 60ft better than 1.6 with the tcu....gaspam is a farthead, no, kponti is a stupidhead... nuh uh, you are ! ... forum_memberX is a space rocket super science engineer and says forum_memberY is wrong because he is not an engineer".....etc etc etc lol
You're speaking generally, but I don't believe in dyno numbers at all, and I don't know who you're referring to when you say "people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune". I want to see 1/4 mile numbers, VBox numbers, etc. Yes, there are varying factors and conditions in these results, but those can be stated up front (as good business practice) so people understand instead of making assumptions. They won't do that because they know their mods aren't well tested or proven and they want us as consumers to do that for them.
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I'm sorry I don't want to be a guinea pig for the tuners. Ask Fairbird how he felt by being a guinea pig. He's been very classy about it, but I'm not so sure other people would.
You're speaking generally, but I don't believe in dyno numbers at all, and I don't know who you're referring to when you say "people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune". I want to see 1/4 mile numbers, VBox numbers, etc. Yes, there are varying factors and conditions in these results, but those can be stated up front (as good business practice) so people understand instead of making assumptions. They won't do that because they know their mods aren't well tested or proven and they want us as consumers to do that for them.
You're speaking generally, but I don't believe in dyno numbers at all, and I don't know who you're referring to when you say "people have no problem accepting tuner's numbers for ecu tune". I want to see 1/4 mile numbers, VBox numbers, etc. Yes, there are varying factors and conditions in these results, but those can be stated up front (as good business practice) so people understand instead of making assumptions. They won't do that because they know their mods aren't well tested or proven and they want us as consumers to do that for them.
I had S4 b5 , took me 3 weeks to get 900+ out of it , and 4 month to collect all the parts .
I've build S6 with 4.0TT took me 9 hours to get it to 740 hp and 11.0 1/4 mile , 9 HOURS !!! including everything !
plenty of info about porsche's , got it to 600 awhp easy with custom tune .
My GC srt8 , 6 hours to put SC on , 2 more days to tune it , 11000 miles no issues , 11.5 1/4 mile on that pig .
5 years ago I built firs 5th gen camaro , 7L , procharger , 1100 hp , I was one of the first who did it , took me 6 month total , with no part or info .
M157 platform out there 5 years already !!
I own benz almost year , the car is down for 6 month total , fun , some of it not tuners fault (I broke tranny output shaft) month was down , the rest is tuners , parts , etc .
I'm just going to put benz to stock, sell it , get R8 TT it and f@ck this .
after I'm giving it one more chance , since I still like the car
