Reading the threads and wondering is M5 a better car?
01-24-2017, 09:34 PM
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Yeah that is impressive for such a heavy car
I thought pp performance e63 4matic did 10.12 still better than that
I thought pp performance e63 4matic did 10.12 still better than that
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01-24-2017, 10:58 PM
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The audi just launches harder so it will win the stoplight races.
I still rather have the faster top end speed and reliability of the tuned E63s
01-25-2017, 01:09 AM
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01-25-2017, 02:04 AM
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01-25-2017, 10:01 AM
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
now you are making some obscure argument that MB dealers will bargin more with you than Audi dealers lol ok whatever you need to makeup to hide the fact that you are wrong about equal year RS7 being 40K more than equal year E63s
try again, but this time with facts to refute 131K vs 113K average rs7 vs e63s.... dont come with some hearsay story that you can barter the MB dealer down to get the price below 100K on the MB, but the Audi dealership refused and wouldnt budge
you are saying the MB dealer will drop that average 113K to 100K with 5 min of bargaining , so then i say the audi dealer will also drop his 131K price by 13K after 5 min
looks like we are back to ~18K diff 
btw here is a new RS7 for 108K...as you would say, try again http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...lCode1=AUDIRS7
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01-25-2017, 10:43 AM
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So 2014 E63 and Cls 63 - is still 5.5L am I right? and it's AWD with "S" model ? yes?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
01-25-2017, 10:55 AM
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So 2014 E63 and Cls 63 - is still 5.5L am I right? and it's AWD with "S" model ? yes?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
2013-2016 cls and e all have the 5.5 the new 4.0 is not even out yet.
01-25-2017, 11:20 AM
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So 2014 E63 and Cls 63 - is still 5.5L am I right? and it's AWD with "S" model ? yes?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
2015 and up are 4.0L refresh?
so is that the same engine in brand new 2017 E63 ? 4.0L ? with just newer transmission?
If I'm correct in whatever I said- doesn't that mean a 5.5L should do better after just a tune?
01-25-2017, 11:55 AM
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01-25-2017, 10:40 PM
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i am dealing in raw facts and the raw numbers out there are 131K vs 113K average rs7 vs e63s... you're 107K average is wrong (108K is the lowest priced E63s on autotrader nationwide)... see photo below and stop making unsubstantiated numbers up to fit your narrative... funny you are also already changing your story from 40K px delta to now ~30K given your 30% more claim on your claimed 100K bargin e63 px ...stay consistent
Feel free to continue with the smoke-and-mirrors, this is my last post on the subject.
01-25-2017, 11:25 PM
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
131k is the lowest, not the average price of an RS7 . 107k is the lowest, not the average, price of a 2016 E63s, which becomes 100k in 5 minutes as I said. Regular RS7 is solidly beaten by the E63s so you have to compare to the Performance trim, which appears to be marginally faster, for 30% more money.
Feel free to continue with the smoke-and-mirrors, this is my last post on the subject.
Feel free to continue with the smoke-and-mirrors, this is my last post on the subject.
and dont try to datamine and add in only performance package RS7's (which you can get for 128K) since it comes with CCB, because then we can add in E63s CCB only and recompare
no matter what, even if we go RS7 perf pkg (128K low) vs e63 non CCB (108k low), you are wrong in your original statement that RS7 is 40K more than E63 by like a big variance (20K vs 40K)
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01-26-2017, 01:13 AM
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Can someone please explain why is it that the e63s has a much higher depereciation for it vs the RS7?
what exacly makes the RS7 more "special" in this regard?
what exacly makes the RS7 more "special" in this regard?
01-26-2017, 01:28 AM
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Because audi better car , so I got my E together finally , everything look good , I had to go in the morning fill up the AC and clear the srs code , driver side headlight went bad , 2014 with 15 k miles , the replacing in for free it look all wet inside . so they order headlight , pulling out from the dealer headliner falls of on the back , great job MB !
01-26-2017, 09:23 AM
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Saw the motortrend video of comparison between M5 competition and E63 AMG- so even though AMG was making so much more power -M5 was putting it down so much better.
Now that makes me think -where does AMG lose? Transmission alone ? weight is just couple 100lbs difference I think but that's offset by huge loads of power made by AMG.
The AMG was still chosen as a winner but based on the test- on a roll race or when passing other cars M5 would be much better.
What a beast the new M5 would be with AWD and E63s 4.0l is already 605hp maybe new 9 gear tranny would be better? -now like RS7 performance.
Now that makes me think -where does AMG lose? Transmission alone ? weight is just couple 100lbs difference I think but that's offset by huge loads of power made by AMG.
The AMG was still chosen as a winner but based on the test- on a roll race or when passing other cars M5 would be much better.
What a beast the new M5 would be with AWD and E63s 4.0l is already 605hp maybe new 9 gear tranny would be better? -now like RS7 performance.
01-26-2017, 10:57 AM
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Because audi better car , so I got my E together finally , everything look good , I had to go in the morning fill up the AC and clear the srs code , driver side headlight went bad , 2014 with 15 k miles , the replacing in for free it look all wet inside . so they order headlight , pulling out from the dealer headliner falls of on the back , great job MB !
im also pretty sure most people with the MB don't have the interior issues your having with yours. You have a lemon.
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01-26-2017, 11:07 AM
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AMGs always lose their value like rocks.
RS7s are holding b/c no new model is out yet, C7 is relatively still new and overall is a rarer car (# sold during same time).
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01-26-2017, 11:14 AM
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Saw the motortrend video of comparison between M5 competition and E63 AMG- so even though AMG was making so much more power -M5 was putting it down so much better.
Now that makes me think -where does AMG lose? Transmission alone ? weight is just couple 100lbs difference I think but that's offset by huge loads of power made by AMG.
The AMG was still chosen as a winner but based on the test- on a roll race or when passing other cars M5 would be much better.
What a beast the new M5 would be with AWD and E63s 4.0l is already 605hp maybe new 9 gear tranny would be better? -now like RS7 performance.
Now that makes me think -where does AMG lose? Transmission alone ? weight is just couple 100lbs difference I think but that's offset by huge loads of power made by AMG.
The AMG was still chosen as a winner but based on the test- on a roll race or when passing other cars M5 would be much better.
What a beast the new M5 would be with AWD and E63s 4.0l is already 605hp maybe new 9 gear tranny would be better? -now like RS7 performance.
its basically even from a roll and AMG killed it from a dig
and road and track trap speeds for M5 cp was 12.0@122.3, RS7 11.6@120.3 and 11.5@123.2 for E63s.
In this test m5 won because it was more "fun" since they prefer RWD for fun factor, but it was slower.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...0314/?zoomable
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01-26-2017, 11:18 AM
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01-26-2017, 11:29 AM
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Friend of mine had an E63 for 2 years, he sold it I bought loads of bits off of him, he got an m5 had it 3 months and is now buying another e63.. I nearly swapped mine in for an m5 I'm glad a decided to mod the amg instead, you never see modded e63 here really in the uk and they look mean modified with a splitter from the front
Anyone trying to add silly power to any of these type of cars have chosen the wrong car in the 1st place.. do a tune, exhaust, intake possibly meth and leave it
Anyone trying to add silly power to any of these type of cars have chosen the wrong car in the 1st place.. do a tune, exhaust, intake possibly meth and leave it
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01-26-2017, 11:36 AM
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Friend of mine had an E63 for 2 years, he sold it I bought loads of bits off of him, he got an m5 had it 3 months and is now buying another e63.. I nearly swapped mine in for an m5 I'm glad a decided to mod the amg instead, you never see modded e63 here really in the uk and they look mean modified with a splitter from the front
Anyone trying to add silly power to any of these type of cars have chosen the wrong car in the 1st place.. do a tune, exhaust, intake possibly meth and leave it
Anyone trying to add silly power to any of these type of cars have chosen the wrong car in the 1st place.. do a tune, exhaust, intake possibly meth and leave it
3 months is pretty short lived.
01-26-2017, 01:28 PM
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what about head lights ? I lost belly pan at 180 mph , peace of trim in the same run , , the car broke tranny with only 11000 miles on it , accessory battery dead at 2 years all that happened with stage 1 , 700 hp , now listen to this I've added 115 horses on the top of stock E63 power and had to go to the dealer so many times . with audi I've added 310 horses on the top of stock S6 which is 420 horses stock , I put 11000 miles of beating on it with 0 problems , non , nada , nothing , I was at the dealer 1 time to change the oil , on the benz in 1 year I put 4700 miles with that many issues . explains it all to me .
01-26-2017, 01:38 PM
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Driven several of the super sedans for good milage with ability to play around in them (own modded E63's rwd, own RS7, plenty of time in the 2014+ AWD, F10 M5, CTS-V V3, Panamera Turbo S refresh).
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but for everything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me Also, if you don't like the looks of RS7, the S8 and esp the S8 Plus is a damn good replacement. Downpipes and tune and you are well into the 10's with anyone behind the wheel/repeatable at any time... but the look is so close to A8's that I am not a fan myself.
In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but for everything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.
With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.
But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me
Also, if you don't like the looks of RS7, the S8 and esp the S8 Plus is a damn good replacement. Downpipes and tune and you are well into the 10's with anyone behind the wheel/repeatable at any time... but the look is so close to A8's that I am not a fan myself.In half a year a tune only RS7 needed $10k of warranty repairs.
A ton of people here running tune only E63S for YEARS with 0 issues.
You just landed on a lemon, clearly. Its not like an Audi would of been a gaurantee to be any more reliable for you.
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01-26-2017, 02:00 PM
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The very last thing I can say is that I'm ready to bet $ for fact tham I'm not just playing I'm driving them hard than anybody in this thread . E63 the only car that ever came back home on flat bad .
01-26-2017, 02:04 PM
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I mentioned tune only because in the above post you said all the problems you had with the E63 was at stage 1 with 700hp, exactly the same scenario the above poster was in with his RS7, stage 1 tune only, 700 hp which needed $10k of repairs in a time span of 6 months.
Maybe somebody who has been driving his E63 "hard" with it tuned can chime in on how reliable its been. I dont beleive RS7/M5 are more reliable with equal mods, i think its quite the opposite way around. Just my opinion, and i understand your frustration with MB as i would be as well in your shoes.
Maybe somebody who has been driving his E63 "hard" with it tuned can chime in on how reliable its been. I dont beleive RS7/M5 are more reliable with equal mods, i think its quite the opposite way around. Just my opinion, and i understand your frustration with MB as i would be as well in your shoes.
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