If Tesla is the future - are cars becoming too fast?
09-26-2021, 08:48 AM
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If Tesla is the future - are cars becoming too fast?
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09-26-2021, 10:29 AM
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I predicted a Tesla Plaid would kill somebody very soon, and it happened near Tampa FL when one blew through a residential intersection and went into a house killing two people and a dog. A car with that much power that can be purchased by someone who knows little about performance cars is a recipe for disaster.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
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09-26-2021, 11:11 AM
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I predicted a Tesla Plaid would kill somebody very soon, and it happened near Tampa FL when one blew through a residential intersection and went into a house killing two people and a dog. A car with that much power that can be purchased by someone who knows little about performance cars is a recipe for disaster.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
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09-26-2021, 09:05 PM
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I'm sure there is a physical limitation to how fast one can safely go (brakes, road design, human reaction time etc.) but aren't there 9 second non-electric production cars already?
09-26-2021, 09:56 PM
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I predicted a Tesla Plaid would kill somebody very soon, and it happened near Tampa FL when one blew through a residential intersection and went into a house killing two people and a dog. A car with that much power that can be purchased by someone who knows little about performance cars is a recipe for disaster.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
"Back in the days" the only people going that fast were the ones who built it, or at least worked their way up to it. Could there be government or insurance regulation coming in the near future? Maybe a special driver's license endorsement? I'd support that. They already require it for motorcycles for which most of the liability is killing yourself, not someone else.
My fastest car is my E55 running mid-11's. I started building muscle cars 30 years ago when I was 18. I swapped and hand built my own V8 engines, ran at the drag strip a lot, and worked my way up to more power. I know when and when not to use it. It's the other drivers out there that don't understand how fast your car can accelerate that you have to watch for mostly. Then, your stopping distance at those speeds. A 9 second Tesla in the hands of the general public is too fast, yes.
I could be in agreement with this with caveats...
09-26-2021, 10:54 PM
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Driving any car fast can result in accidents or worse death. Yes I know a 1000hp Tesla or gas powered car will loose control alot faster VS a 150hp Ford focus or something. Manufacturers make what they think is cool and will sell, they don't care what age group buys it
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09-27-2021, 07:50 AM
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A few more Tesla stories of them going through houses and this country will want to attenuate Elon and his products ....
I am just amazed at how far we have come, as a 40+ year old I'll never forget my first 0-60 was 11.2 seconds in a used Toyota .... humility. I get into my 10.x second 63 and I just ... good sigh. Progress and humility.
I am just amazed at how far we have come, as a 40+ year old I'll never forget my first 0-60 was 11.2 seconds in a used Toyota .... humility. I get into my 10.x second 63 and I just ... good sigh. Progress and humility.
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I would also pay several thousand dollars / year to be able to drive 'x' amount faster than the posted speed limit on appropriate roads in appropriate conditions / traffic.
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09-28-2021, 12:21 AM
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Ah but 'Merca is all about her "freedoms"
I won't put a needle in my arm and I can drive any car that is sold on the market.
I won't put a needle in my arm and I can drive any car that is sold on the market.
09-28-2021, 12:57 PM
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I predicted a Tesla Plaid would kill somebody very soon, and it happened near Tampa FL when one blew through a residential intersection and went into a house killing two people and a dog. A car with that much power that can be purchased by someone who knows little about performance cars is a recipe for disaster.
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09-28-2021, 02:56 PM
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The ONLY current non-electric production car under $350k that can potentially break the 10 second 1/4 mile barrier is the Dodge Challenger Demon, which needs to be purchased with the deleted back-seat option and the use of the optional racing slicks for track use. Other than the Demon and McLaren 765LT, you'd have to spend $1MM plus to get a hyper-car that will break the 10 second quarter in production car form.
12-06-2021, 07:03 PM
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The ONLY current non-electric production car under $350k that can potentially break the 10 second 1/4 mile barrier is the Dodge Challenger Demon, which needs to be purchased with the deleted back-seat option and the use of the optional racing slicks for track use. Other than the Demon and McLaren 765LT, you'd have to spend $1MM plus to get a hyper-car that will break the 10 second quarter in production car form.
It is an interesting question though - what is too quick? If you could theoretically go from 0-60 in an instant is that inherently dangerous? I would venture yes because even if the vehicle could decelerate in an instant, human reaction time is limited. I don't think it's beyond the capabilities of today's EV tech to make a car that does the quarter in 7 or 8 seconds, even though it would not be economically feasible. Where is that line from a safety standpoint?
12-07-2021, 11:59 AM
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Yep. So many traditional barriers to entry for this kind of performance are simply not present in these cars. Relatively low price combined with all the engineering safety nets mean there's little opportunity for the inexperienced drivers in this pool to scare themselves before severely overcommitting compared to any ICE car. And the price of EVs will only come down, meaning that the numbskulls you see splattering themselves in 100 mph Kias will soon be able to do that in 1/3 the time. There's nothing like giving people with poor judgement less time to exercise it.
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12-07-2021, 12:50 PM
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Yep. So many traditional barriers to entry for this kind of performance are simply not present in these cars. Relatively low price combined with all the engineering safety nets mean there's little opportunity for the inexperienced drivers in this pool to scare themselves before severely overcommitting compared to any ICE car. And the price of EVs will only come down, meaning that the numbskulls you see splattering themselves in 100 mph Kias will soon be able to do that in 1/3 the time. There's nothing like giving people with poor judgement less time to exercise it.
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12-08-2021, 03:28 PM
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If the US adopted more strict driving licensing requirements, I'd be all for it.
But, considering anyone with a heart beat and the ability to blink on command, can get a license in the States.
Always felt that, before you can get your driver's license, you need to navigate a standardized autocross course within a specific amount of time, which includes a random lane change exercise. Fail that, no license.
Granted, we'd have far less licensed drag racers, but least we'd have better drivers on the road.
But, considering anyone with a heart beat and the ability to blink on command, can get a license in the States.
Always felt that, before you can get your driver's license, you need to navigate a standardized autocross course within a specific amount of time, which includes a random lane change exercise. Fail that, no license.
Granted, we'd have far less licensed drag racers, but least we'd have better drivers on the road.
12-08-2021, 04:32 PM
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If the US adopted more strict driving licensing requirements, I'd be all for it.
But, considering anyone with a heart beat and the ability to blink on command, can get a license in the States.
Always felt that, before you can get your driver's license, you need to navigate a standardized autocross course within a specific amount of time, which includes a random lane change exercise. Fail that, no license.
Granted, we'd have far less licensed drag racers, but least we'd have better drivers on the road.
But, considering anyone with a heart beat and the ability to blink on command, can get a license in the States.
Always felt that, before you can get your driver's license, you need to navigate a standardized autocross course within a specific amount of time, which includes a random lane change exercise. Fail that, no license.
Granted, we'd have far less licensed drag racers, but least we'd have better drivers on the road.
12-09-2021, 10:19 AM
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You can't learn limits and control without hooning (a lot) at the edge. This calibrates your butt. Once learned there is never many emergencies, just "where do I want to slide/go?" If I have no options 99% I put myself in that position. 1% there is nothing you can do (freak accident beside/right in front, mechanical breakage at speed). _most_ things are avoidable.
And yes I've been T-boned before. Didn't see that one coming... since then I do even better. I saw them and was passing them while they were stopped, and as my vision moved past the "safe threat" to ahead they floored it into my right rear quarter panel spinning me sideways up on the curb. I almost took out a bus stop full of people. That will never happen to me again
And yes I've been T-boned before. Didn't see that one coming... since then I do even better. I saw them and was passing them while they were stopped, and as my vision moved past the "safe threat" to ahead they floored it into my right rear quarter panel spinning me sideways up on the curb. I almost took out a bus stop full of people. That will never happen to me again
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The other issue is the difference in throttle modulation in an EV vs ICE
EV instant - instant action
ICE - many times the second or half second of hesitation from the Time my foot depresses the throttle/accelerator and the car actually moves and then I release the throttle, has saved my butt
EV instant - instant action
ICE - many times the second or half second of hesitation from the Time my foot depresses the throttle/accelerator and the car actually moves and then I release the throttle, has saved my butt
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YES, I predict once we all go EV, expect regulation on HP and speed. Enough bad things will happen to force intervention. People should not easily be driving 1000HP.
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12-11-2021, 11:17 AM
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MOST people wont be driving the 1000hp version of EVs or even close to that.....same way as not many run 700 horse plus ICE cars. So trying to get new laws to restrict their usage to experienced drivers etc could well have a nasty backfire and end up including drivers of powerful ICE cars. Most of the run of the mill stuff we get here is not much more powerful than the ICE cars in the same manufacturers range. For example the Merc EQS 580 has 516 hp....the S63 W223 has over 600.
