I'm looking at this car: https://www.farazautosalesltd.ca/veh...ale_class=used

Apparently It's stage 1 eurocharge tuned, and has a Renntech exhaust. That would seem consistent with the Renntech spoiler.
I took it for a test drive and it feels new. It is FAST. I used to have an e92 m3 and a 2018 RS3, and have test driven new rs6's and a 2018 E63s wagon. This felt MUCH faster than most of those, and even a little faster than the 2018 e63s. I wondered if it was more than stage 1, but I looked under the hood and don't see an intake.

It sounds AMAZING, so maybe the perception of speed is tied to the sound. But I would need to start it with my garage door closed so my neighbors don't kill me. ​​​​​​​

I'm leaning towards going ahead, since it feels as good as the current monster wagons (or better) for 50k+ less. Planning to try to negotiate a bit with the dealership and get a pre-purchase inspection from Mercedes to make sure the tune hasn't cooked the engine. I would likely call Eurocharged in Toronto and ask them if they could de-tune it to something a little less crazy and more reliable to make sure I don't blow the whole thing up. Not sure if they would actually do that or if I should just leave the stage 1 (assuming that's what it really is) since it's already what they consider safe.

Questions for the forum:

1) Is there any way to confirm the tune that's running?

2) Does anyone recognize this car and if so could I be connected with the owner?

3) If you were considering this car, what would you look into? I've never bought a tuned vehicle before. I understand I'm taking on increased risk with a tuned car.

4) What's a fair price, assuming clean carfax and that it passes Merc inspection? Combination of extremely low kms and tune/mods make it hard for me to know what I should pay.

I'm going through the other threads on common issues, etc, with this model year. I have a lot to catch up on. I was not considering this generation at all until yesterday. I was just about to order a new RS6, went to look at a used one that I could buy right away, and saw this one next to the RS6. Suddenly this has become the frontrunner, especially since I should be able to add carplay!

Also feel free to tell me this is idiotic and I should go for a safer and tamer choice in one of the more current gens.

Thanks in advance for everyone's advice!

 

welcome to the Wagon club. You are lucky you have a local fairly active forum member ( calling I.T Guy) who would be coming on shortly to greet you as well LOL
Wagons have always been very desirable and hold their values fairly well
Not many wagons available and to top it off, a 2016 with car play upgradable options, wow
Looks like it's a high MSRP car with very desirable options
The mods sounds great and there's no need to detune it, enjoy the power as long as you are driving it sensibly.
You can always have ET -dyno it to see how the safety parameters (air-fuel ratio) is before considering detuning it
Rt offers 3 components of Exhaust ( bridge pipe---mid pipe & the mufflers)
Not sure what part of the exhaust you have, more than likely the mid pipes.
The Rt exhaust ( $2300) and the spoiler ($1600) and $2000 ET are all very desirable mods and hold their values well

Price is definitely on a pretty high side but with being a 2016, low mileage, high MSRP , a Wagon and with mods, it's not going to be available for too long.

If it was me, i won't pay more than 80 though especially if you are planning on driving

Keep the mileage low and you would always get your money back

Good- Luck and put a deposit on it while you make up your mind...

 

awesome. Thanks for the input.

already emailed them this morning to ask to put a deposit down.

 

I would make sure they charge your CC with refundable $2000 and send you a written confirmation. I would also leave that amount on the CC even if you buy the vehicle in case if there was an issue so you can dispute the payment or else you won't have any recourse.

Definitely get a PPI done and run a Car fax report.

I would also consider getting an after market warranty, just in case ( will PM you the warranty Info later)

Good Luck

 

The ppi will be key ... a tuned drivetrain gets a workout but so do poorly and aggressively driven stock drivetrains.

it seems this may be one owners (can't find it on webpage) as it's low miles, and someone really cared about it cosmetically - exterior mods, ppf, etc. owners like this are the best ones to buy from ... this car could be amazing and likely is... hopefully the ppi finds nothing concerning for you

is there a carfax or something equivalent for whatever they are worth?

check the sticky out on common issues... if it all works out - friggen enjoy this beast of a wagon!

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...-w212-amg.html

 

thanks. Good ideas.

faraz sells an aftermarket by global somethingerather that I was considering.

thanks. buying the Carfax today; based on how clean the car is I expect it to be good.

By the way, I started working through your massive sticky last night and it is SUPER HELPFUL to someone new. I was super jazzed to learn I could add CarPlay. Thanks so much for assembling that!

Its also nice to know there’s an active community here for support if I need help with things.

edit: and I was thinking something similar re the type of owner. Genuine upgrades, interior is perfect. Basically an obsessed person (like me, but with no toddler to cause havoc) must have owned it and cared for it.

 

A common issue discussed lately that can be overlooked even by master techs (actively or passively) is the oil in harnesses .. common culprit is four camshaft position sensors and four magnets .. all at the front of the engine ..

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...sors-leak.html

however your wagon of interest is likely too low miles to manifest this issue but... well worth check. And this wouldn't be a deal breaker just a negotiable aspect on price as it's pricey to repair at times.

 

Thanks. I saw that last night, too. "Catastrophic failure" caught my attention. haha.

But good reminder to ask MB to check for it during inspection.

 

As long as PPI checks out, you should move forward. Cars like these aren't being made anymore, and aren't going to be made again. It's an awesome opportunity to experience them. Good luck.

 

thanks! Planning to unless the ppi returns something scary.

 

Re: warranty

no warranty company worth its salt that I know of (fidelity, etc) will warrant anything significant on a modified vehicle - beware Uncle Faraz' global
coverage warranty it already sounds like snake oil

 

Thanks. Forgot to ask about tuning impact on coverage.

seems likely I’d do better to bank the cost of the warranty for future repairs.

 

Only 17,000 kms? That's barely 10,000 miles.
All the carbon bits YES!
TV's in the head rests YES!
Rentech YES
Non black interior HELL YES!
I Hope you put a deposit and are seriously checking it out, this is a unicorn car won't see one for sale spec'ed like this which such low miles anytime soon.

My car is currently at the dealer getting an intercooler issue sorted out. So, if this car is sorted and low miles (the bolsters on the seats look brand new!!!!) just do it. DO IT NOW. Or it will escape and you will never see another one. The good part is you can always sell it to another nut like me. Those options ,spoilers, diffuser, are rare can't 'get them anymore. I know I've been looking.

Snag that car if the PPI turns out OK. Dealers will do a PPI for $300ish I had one done on my own car last month when I bought an aftermarket warranty, the warranty company wanted it done. Good thing they found some stuff to cover under my (expiring) factory warranty so the inspection paid for itself

P.S. you are NOT getting objective logical advice from me. I *am* a fan boy and will keep pouring money into my car because I love it. Life's short. Drive what you love. The end. LOL. But in saying that, it looks really really clean with such low KM's to back it up. BUY IT!

 

I'd bank the warranty cost. My aftermarket warranty has a lot of limitations, one is $6k per event. So total engine failure is out from getting covered anyhow.

 

Lol thanks. This is my plan! Maybe we could meet up after I buy it and you can fill me in on the best places for service, etc, in the area.

Also understand the non-objective advice. That's why I'm in this predicament in the first place. haha. Was just wanting to make sure it wasn't drastically overpriced (to those in the know). There aren't many comparators around.

 

That car has been forsale for a while now. Not too many people can get loans for a used car like this. Most banks won't loan 88K for a used car when book value is in the 50's. You don't sound like either of these types so you should be good to go. Mint cars like this in Canada are hard to find. I think if you love it, run it through Mercedes and maybe even buy a extended warranty if you intend on driving it and not just using it as a toy.

​​​​​​​R.K.

 

What a beautifully spec'd wagon! Appears it also has the air filter spacers too, judging by how the engine cover fits poorly around the ECU - that's an easy fix. Good luck with the purchase!

 

For what it's worth...I bought my 2016 wagon back in Oct 2020...it had ~36k miles on it and was CPO'd by the MB dealer. They actually made a mistake on the paperwork so I got an extra year of CPO than I was supposed to, but actually only used it for 1 thing...a coolant reservoir replacement. Nothing else has gone wrong with the car and I'm now at 74k miles.

I've done brakes, ignition coils, spark plugs and service...and am now running a stage 1 eurocharged tune with TCU tune, but when I did my baseline dyno I found out the car already had a milder tune (570whp and 601whtq) on it, so my ownership from 36k to 70k miles was issue free with the tune.

Sounds like you just need a good PPI and you are ready to step into wagon bliss...

 

Another voice from the completely non objective group - lock this car up before it's gone. At $66k US it should not last.
I have put 30k+ miles on mine with basically no issues.
No tune (yet). Unlikely to get engine tune but likely to get the TCU tune.

PS. Just saw the comment on it being for sale for along time. Surprising to me, but i guess 2016 is old enough that many of the cash rich people swipe right by it?

 

If you need more motivation to pull the trigger, here are some snaps of me driving the tail of the dragon in TN this past weekend in my 2 ton plus wagon...what a fun experience. 250+ miles of driving some of the best roads in the world...

 

Man 66k USD is a steal actually. Get 'er OP!

 

If you need to recover some $ to help with the purchase I'll buy the rear wing...

 

Good observation. I never even knew this was a thing people did. I was looking for something intake-related up near the grill.

Thanks! Helpful to know.

Appreciate both the price feedback and the experience. Having read what I can so far, this powerplant seems much more reliable than other high performance engines I've considered.



I can't see any pics!

I might actually be interested in selling. I was less of a fan but y wife liked it.

Now, the only problem is that the MB dealer the seller suggested is booked up until November 29th! Trying to get an inspection somewhere else.

The dealership would barely move on price, which is a bummer. But oh well.

 

I didn't realize the difference between the Canadian and US dollars and for $66,000, don't even consider lowering it a bit. I am sure there are already people lined up to buy it and if it was in US, I probably would have had deposit already on it , seriously

 

I'm curious why it's underpriced and hasn't sold ... that PPI will be important