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Old Jan 31, 2024 | 06:38 PM
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No, the solenoid is inside the oil sump. You have to drop the full pan to get to it.

I have my car in and hooked everything back up because I was making a claim for a broken passenger seat and didn't want to have any issues with the vehicle service contract (i.e., warranty) company. I change my oil and filter every 5000 miles, and changed it about 400 miles ago, so I'm not concerned with dirty oil.

(SIDE NOTE: This claim has become a headache, if not a nightmare. The warranty company at first denied the claim because I put winter tires on the car, as specified in the Operator's Manual. They said I had "modified the car" and had not purchased the tire size rider, therefore they were invalidating the contract. Then they said there were mixed sizes, which there were not, after I directed them to page 596 of the Operator's Manual which specified the exact size I had under Winter Tires. Just a lazy and/or careless inspector got it wrong in his report. After they scraped me off the ceiling, I asked what the hell tire sized had to do with a broken seat motor. They said the wrong tire size invalidated the whole contract. I asked them if they had ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I then told them to send their inspector to the dealership again to check tire sizes, and this time not to forget his effing glasses! I also mentioned something about the Consumer Affairs Division in my state's Attorney General's Office. The reneged on the tire issue and are just being dicks to the dealership fixing my car. Once this episode is over, I'm pondering canceling the contract and getting a pro-rated refund, but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)
What warranty company?
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Old Jan 31, 2024 | 07:26 PM
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No, the solenoid is inside the oil sump. You have to drop the full pan to get to it.

I have my car in and hooked everything back up because I was making a claim for a broken passenger seat and didn't want to have any issues with the vehicle service contract (i.e., warranty) company. I change my oil and filter every 5000 miles, and changed it about 400 miles ago, so I'm not concerned with dirty oil.

(SIDE NOTE: This claim has become a headache, if not a nightmare. The warranty company at first denied the claim because I put winter tires on the car, as specified in the Operator's Manual. They said I had "modified the car" and had not purchased the tire size rider, therefore they were invalidating the contract. Then they said there were mixed sizes, which there were not, after I directed them to page 596 of the Operator's Manual which specified the exact size I had under Winter Tires. Just a lazy and/or careless inspector got it wrong in his report. After they scraped me off the ceiling, I asked what the hell tire sized had to do with a broken seat motor. They said the wrong tire size invalidated the whole contract. I asked them if they had ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I then told them to send their inspector to the dealership again to check tire sizes, and this time not to forget his effing glasses! I also mentioned something about the Consumer Affairs Division in my state's Attorney General's Office. The reneged on the tire issue and are just being dicks to the dealership fixing my car. Once this episode is over, I'm pondering canceling the contract and getting a pro-rated refund, but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)
100% dick move
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Old Jan 31, 2024 | 08:15 PM
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What warranty company?
I'll be glad to share once this who thing is resolved. Funny thing is that they were one of the better rated companies. I will say that they are NOT one of the companies that @Highline-Autos.com offers.
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Old Jan 31, 2024 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JettaRed
No, the solenoid is inside the oil sump. You have to drop the full pan to get to it.

I have my car in and hooked everything back up because I was making a claim for a broken passenger seat and didn't want to have any issues with the vehicle service contract (i.e., warranty) company. I change my oil and filter every 5000 miles, and changed it about 400 miles ago, so I'm not concerned with dirty oil.

(SIDE NOTE: This claim has become a headache, if not a nightmare. The warranty company at first denied the claim because I put winter tires on the car, as specified in the Operator's Manual. They said I had "modified the car" and had not purchased the tire size rider, therefore they were invalidating the contract. Then they said there were mixed sizes, which there were not, after I directed them to page 596 of the Operator's Manual which specified the exact size I had under Winter Tires. Just a lazy and/or careless inspector got it wrong in his report. After they scraped me off the ceiling, I asked what the hell tire sized had to do with a broken seat motor. They said the wrong tire size invalidated the whole contract. I asked them if they had ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I then told them to send their inspector to the dealership again to check tire sizes, and this time not to forget his effing glasses!
I also mentioned something about the Consumer Affairs Division in my state's Attorney General's Office.
They reneged on the tire issue and are just being dicks to the dealership fixing my car.

Once this episode is over, I'm pondering canceling the contract and getting a pro-rated refund, but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)
Fixing your passenger seat controller may become a whole production. Technician is going to follow the guided testing to swap an otherwise good module.

These modules are reliable fully soldered but feature "painted GND" at the nearby chair beam behind front seats. <<< that step is going to be last

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Old Feb 1, 2024 | 07:07 AM
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but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)

That is the thing about dealing with many of the stereotypical MB owners. By and large, we have higher standards, have high standards of others (including companies)...and in general a bit of disposable income to harass them with if they do not abide by simple things.....

I have a story about a MB Dealership crashing our GLS580 when it had 2000 mi on it....and trying to hide it.....Well, then there was the service manager who ran from the cops in my 3000GT VR4.....(years ago).....
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Old Feb 1, 2024 | 11:44 AM
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No more P06DA00.


Solenoid attached to ECU wiring connector.
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 12:00 PM
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Probably just my imagination, but the low-end torque seems to be improved again with the Decoy Solenoid. Tires tend to spin too easily when making a turn with a little gas.


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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JettaRed
No, the solenoid is inside the oil sump. You have to drop the full pan to get to it.

I have my car in and hooked everything back up because I was making a claim for a broken passenger seat and didn't want to have any issues with the vehicle service contract (i.e., warranty) company. I change my oil and filter every 5000 miles, and changed it about 400 miles ago, so I'm not concerned with dirty oil.

(SIDE NOTE: This claim has become a headache, if not a nightmare. The warranty company at first denied the claim because I put winter tires on the car, as specified in the Operator's Manual. They said I had "modified the car" and had not purchased the tire size rider, therefore they were invalidating the contract. Then they said there were mixed sizes, which there were not, after I directed them to page 596 of the Operator's Manual which specified the exact size I had under Winter Tires. Just a lazy and/or careless inspector got it wrong in his report. After they scraped me off the ceiling, I asked what the hell tire sized had to do with a broken seat motor. They said the wrong tire size invalidated the whole contract. I asked them if they had ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I then told them to send their inspector to the dealership again to check tire sizes, and this time not to forget his effing glasses! I also mentioned something about the Consumer Affairs Division in my state's Attorney General's Office. They reneged on the tire issue and are just being dicks to the dealership fixing my car. Once this episode is over, I'm pondering canceling the contract and getting a pro-rated refund, but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)
Sorry, but I have a question. I have the solenoid on the way from China and assumed, and your pictures seem to confirm that the solenoid is accessible from within the engine bay. So why are you indicating a need to drop the pan?

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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Valvestud
Sorry, but I have a question. I have the solenoid on the way from China and assumed, and your pictures seem to confirm that the solenoid is accessible from within the engine bay. So why are you indicating a need to drop the pan?

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Must be bolted on the inside of the pan... all that is accessible in the plug interface
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 01:32 PM
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Must be bolted on the inside of the pan... all that is accessible in the plug interface
I'm lost, but hopefully I'll understand as the thread progresses.
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Valvestud
Sorry, but I have a question. I have the solenoid on the way from China and assumed, and your pictures seem to confirm that the solenoid is accessible from within the engine bay. So why are you indicating a need to drop the pan?

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The OEM solenoid is left in place, but just unplugged which allows oil to flow through unimpeded.

Apparently plugging in a second/spare solenoid that is not functional eliminates the ghost code.

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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JettaRed
(SIDE NOTE: This claim has become a headache, if not a nightmare. The warranty company at first denied the claim because I put winter tires on the car, as specified in the Operator's Manual. They said I had "modified the car" and had not purchased the tire size rider, therefore they were invalidating the contract. Then they said there were mixed sizes, which there were not, after I directed them to page 596 of the Operator's Manual which specified the exact size I had under Winter Tires. Just a lazy and/or careless inspector got it wrong in his report. After they scraped me off the ceiling, I asked what the hell tire sized had to do with a broken seat motor. They said the wrong tire size invalidated the whole contract. I asked them if they had ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I then told them to send their inspector to the dealership again to check tire sizes, and this time not to forget his effing glasses! I also mentioned something about the Consumer Affairs Division in my state's Attorney General's Office. They reneged on the tire issue and are just being dicks to the dealership fixing my car. Once this episode is over, I'm pondering canceling the contract and getting a pro-rated refund, but I'm not sure I want to let them off that easily.)
If you think that was fun, you'll really enjoy reading about my E55 total loss saga. Months of fighting. Spoiler: I won.
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Valvestud
I'm lost, but hopefully I'll understand as the thread progresses.
He simply unplugged the original solenoid (which is behind the timing cover/oil pan, as others have indicated), and plugged the harness into a new (dummy) solenoid. It would be like unplugging your headlight, leaving the bulb in place, and plugging the harness into a new headlight that you are holding in your hand. As far as the car is concerned, your headlight is functional (electrically).

Meanwhile my E63S sits dormant. I got my refund check from scaling back the insurance for the winter, so that's something...
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Originally Posted by Valvestud
Sorry, but I have a question. I have the solenoid on the way from China and assumed, and your pictures seem to confirm that the solenoid is accessible from within the engine bay. So why are you indicating a need to drop the pan?

Thanks.
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Gotta read through the 964 previous posts to appreciate the full flavor of this mod.

J/K. Peter, Kevin, and others explained, the operational solenoid (i.e., the one controlling the oil pressure) is inside the pan. What I am showing is a second real (but cheap Chinese knockoff) solenoid being used as a decoy and connected to the wiring harness to keep the ecu from throwing P06DA00 code.

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Meanwhile my E63S sits dormant. I got my refund check from scaling back the insurance for the winter, so that's something...
I hope your insurance company doesn't see this as an opportunity to raise your rate even higher in the spring because you changed your policy.

Nah...they'd never do that!
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 03:30 PM
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If you think that was fun, you'll really enjoy reading about my E55 total loss saga. Months of fighting. Spoiler: I won.
Link, please.
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Originally Posted by kevm14
He simply unplugged the original solenoid (which is behind the timing cover/oil pan, as others have indicated), and plugged the harness into a new (dummy) solenoid. It would be like unplugging your headlight, leaving the bulb in place, and plugging the harness into a new headlight that you are holding in your hand. As far as the car is concerned, your headlight is functional (electrically).

Meanwhile my E63S sits dormant. I got my refund check from scaling back the insurance for the winter, so that's something...
I'm good with all that but is the female socket on the solenoid that's in the pan also in the pan? Meaning am I able to disconnect from "outside" leaving the old solenoid in the pan?
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 03:47 PM
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Yes. No opening the pan. The connector is external. Look closely at the pics.
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Originally Posted by JettaRed
I hope your insurance company doesn't see this as an opportunity to raise your rate even higher in the spring because you changed your policy.

Nah...they'd never do that!
No, it's a real thing. Drop everything but comprehensive (fire/theft/vandalism/acts of God). Been doing it since I had my CTS-V starting in 2010. The state likes to check in after a couple months though because there's no liability. They just need the insurance company to certify that the car is not on public roads.
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Other than Amazon (at $60+) I cant find one...do you have a better link to "Slow Boat From China Quality Car Parts Made by Slave Labor Inc." so that I too can get a $28.00 oil pressure sensor? Maybe it will make a nice audible click heard from outside the car as it activates......if I am lucky.
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Other than Amazon (at $60+) I cant find one...do you have a better link to "Slow Boat From China Quality Car Parts Made by Slave Labor Inc." so that I too can get a $28.00 oil pressure sensor? Maybe it will make a nice audible click heard from outside the car as it activates......if I am lucky.
Check AliExpress.

I then plug this in to test the solenoid with 12V before using it. You definitely hear and feel the click.




https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802916137622.html

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And don't be facetious! It's "Slow Boat From China Quality Car Parts Made by Slave Labor, Limited".
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And don't be facetious! It's "Slow Boat From China Quality Car Parts Made by Slave Labor, Limited".

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